Topic: Syria: The future
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Mon 08/06/12 10:31 AM
Also, in case you don't know this, the alleged "party" a person claimes to belong to doesn't mean diddely squat.

Its the same when it comes to what religion they claim.

Haven't you heard? Politicians always lie. They have to, because the truth is too horrible.








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Mon 08/06/12 11:44 AM
It wasa life from a fairy talethat turned into hell.
Hundreds of Eastern European women married to Syrian men have fled the war with their children in recent weeks as fighting intensifies, splitting up families and leaving them wondering about whether they can ever go back.
Among them is Kseniya Murtada, a 36-year-old Ukrainian who fled Syria last week with two sons, 3 and 5, leaving her husband Aziz in Aleppo, Syria's biggest city and the focus of a major battle between government and rebel forces.
"Who knows what might happen? This is a war," said Murtada, who was among more than 200 Ukrainians evacuated on a government plane last week.
"Our men have stayed there, they will fight, and they will defend their home," she said."Some families will be broken; some kidswill lose their fathers.But we all live with hope."
The marriages between Eastern European women and Syrians are believed to number in the thousands. They result from close ties first forged in the 1960s when the Soviet Union, its Eastern European satellite states and the former Yugoslavia began welcoming students from the Middle East and Africa with the aim of spreading their influence around the world through an educated elite.
Yugoslavia was then a leader of the Non-Aligned Movement, which had close ties to the Assad family regime. The Soviet Union, for its part, had an interest in spreading its political influence in the volatile Middle East. Oleksandr Bogomolov, president of the Kiev-based Center forMiddle East Studies, said Soviet authorities encouraged the marriages as a way to gain influence with the Syrian elite since most of the Syrian students camefrom prominent families.
For the women, marriage to a foreigner offered an escape from communist repression and the promise of a better life abroad, and many were attracted to Syria's cultural wealth and good climate.
The tradition has continued since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, with Russian, Ukrainian and women from Belarus still eager for better living conditions abroad and husbands who don't drink, though such marriages abated in the former Yugoslavia during its bloody breakup in the 1990s.
Murtada, who met her husband when he was studying computer engineering in the Ukrainian city of Odessa, was taken byher husband's charm.
"He was so romantic, always with flowers, always very kind and polite, so I could not but marry him," she said.
Many of the Syrian men who married women from the ex-communist countries are believed to be members of the educated Alawite elite, the group most under threat from a rebel insurgency dominated by the country's Sunni majority. The Assad regime only let its supporters travel to Europe in the communist period.
"These women did not land in some village and did not have to struggle for aliving," said Katarzyna Gorak-Sosnowska, a professor in the Department of Arabicand Islamic Studies at the University of Warsaw in Poland."They are the wives of men educated at European universities, academies."
Among those who fled in recent days was Biljana Ayoubi, a53-year-old Serbian mother who left Syria on a Serbian plane with her three children along with nearly 40 others, almost all of them the wives and children of Syrians. To her, there is no doubt who is to blame for the carnage that forced her to leave her husband in Aleppo.
"Americans are to blame. They have been financing the rebels, along with Qatar and Saudi Arabia," she said, adding that her husband stayed behind because "he did not want to return, he was too proud."
Ayoubi said she hoped the Syrian army "will win and we will go back" to Aleppo, adding that Assad "has nothing to do" with the carnage.
Svetlana Djurdjevic, a53-year-old Bosnian-born woman who returned on the sameSerbian government flight, said the sectarian violence reminds her of the 1992-95 war in her native country, whichshe escaped with her marriage.
"It's a civil war there, just like it was in Bosnia," she said."They are fighting to change things for thebetter, but it turned out it can't get any worse."

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Mon 08/06/12 12:34 PM
Would you mind providing a link to the above information?

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Mon 08/06/12 12:36 PM
Interesting:

"Americans are to blame. They have been financing the rebels, along with Qatar and Saudi Arabia," she said, adding that her husband stayed behind because "he did not want to return, he was too proud."

Ayoubi said she hoped the Syrian army "will win and we will go back" to Aleppo, adding that Assad "has nothing to do" with the carnage.


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Mon 08/06/12 12:47 PM
http://www.bradenton.com/2012/08/06/4146108/eastern-european-wives-of-syrians.html
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/08/06/eastern-european-wives-syrians-forced-to-flee-war/

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Mon 08/06/12 01:16 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/06/12 01:23 PM
You are mislead because you still think of these as "countries" and you do not see the corporation that is running the show.

I hate to say this but its like you are blind and you are easily distracted by appearances. You see (and the world sees) what they want them to see.


Many people can see this, why can't you? You are a cog in the wheel.
A member of their audience being distracted by their tricks while they steal you blind.

Open your eyes.






Please, save the lecture for the stupid people.


What a waste of a reply.


Turkey has been co-operating with the US............Fact


Not disputed

The US is in bed with Israel........................Fact


Not disputed

Bush &t he Saudi's in business for years.,,......,,,,,Fact


Not a fact

corporations move forward and make business
deals and divy up the world amongst the eilite......Fact


Paranoia

All of the above can be dealt with in the context of The Future of Syria so why don't you show a little respect for other peoples opinions and offer a decent reply.....or none


My response was to the insults highlighted in bold above. Why don't you mind your own business and stop being so selective in ignoring the abuse? slaphead








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Mon 08/06/12 01:20 PM
Syria news , all the latest and breaking.
Syrian Newspapers and News Sites:
Syria Report independent newspaper providing economic, business and financial information on Syria.
http://www.syria-report.com/
Local Coordination Committees of Syria
Breaking news about Syrian uprising
http://www.lccsyria.org/
DP News
Covers Syrian, Arabic, and International issues in politics, economy, NGOs, sportas well as online video and documentaries.
http://www.dp-news.com/en/
Cham Press
Private news agency in Damascus.
http://www.champress.net/index.php?q=en.

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Mon 08/06/12 03:16 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/06/12 03:16 PM
Breaking news:

6 August 2012 Last updated at 21:56 GMT

Syria 'crumbling' after PM's defection


Western powers have said the defection of Syrian Prime Minister Riad Hijab is a sign that the regime of President Bashar al-Assad is crumbling.

The White House said the momentum was now with the opposition, while France said the Assad government was "doomed".

Mr Hijab, the most senior Syrian figure to defect, on Monday denounced Syria's "terrorist regime" and said he was joining the revolution.

His whereabouts are unknown, although reports say he may head to Qatar.

Clashes have continued in the second city of Aleppo where rebel fighters are resisting a bombardment by government artillery and fighter jets.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said such high-level defections signalled that President Assad's grip on power was "loosening".

"If he cannot maintain cohesion within his own inner circle, it reflects on his inability to maintain any following among the Syrian people that isn't brought about at the point of a gun," he said.

"The momentum is with the opposition and with the Syrian people."

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said the latest defection was another sign of the regime weakening and losing support.

"France is convinced the Assad regime is doomed," he said in a statement.

'Holy revolution'

Last month, Syria's ambassador to Iraq, Nawaf Fares, deserted to the opposition. Brig Gen Manaf Tlas, who was considered close to President Assad, defected in July.

About 30 other generals have crossed into Turkey so far and Turkish news agency Anatolia reported on Monday that another general had fled with five high-ranking officers and more than 30 soldiers.

First news of Mr Hijab's exit from the Syrian government came from Syrian state TV shortly after a bomb went off at its own headquarters, injuring three people.

Just after announcing the explosion, it broadcast that Mr Hijab - appointed only two months before - had been sacked.

Mr Hijab's spokesman then appeared on al-Jazeera TV in neighbouring Jordan saying that the prime minister and his family had fled Syria. He said Mr Hijab was in "a safe location".

It was widely reported that Mr Hijab had crossed the border into Jordan, although Jordanian state TV later denied this.

The BBC's Jim Muir in Lebanon says Mr Hijab is expected to move on to Qatar.

"I have defected from the terrorist, murderous regime and [am] joining the holy revolution," ran Mr Hijab's statement read by his spokesman Mohammed el-Etri.

"I declare that from today I am a soldier of this holy revolution."

Mr el-Etri later told the BBC that the Syrian regime was "now in its last throes" and that it had been dealt "a fatal blow" by Mr Hijab's defection.

Mr Hijab is a Sunni Muslim from the restive Deir al-Zour area of eastern Syria. He was one of the leading Sunnis in President Assad's minority Alawite-dominated regime.

Opposition activists said two other ministers also defected and a third - finance minister Mohammad Jalilati - was arrested as he tried to escape.

However, Syrian state TV broadcast a phone interview it said was with Mr Jalilati, saying he was working as normal.

Meanwhile, amateur video uploaded to social media websites on Monday purported to show the continued bombardment of rebel-held areas of Aleppo.

In the capital Damascus, troops backed by fighter jets and helicopter gunships have kept up an offensive against the last rebel bastions there.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to visit Turkey at the weekend for talks on the situation in Syria.

Turkey, a staunch critic of President Assad, has given shelter to Syrian defectors and the Syrian opposition.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19156286

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Tue 08/07/12 02:05 AM

All of the above can be dealt with in the context of The Future of Syria so why don't you show a little respect for other peoples opinions and offer a decent reply.....or none




My response was to the insults highlighted in bold above. Why don't you mind your own business and stop being so selective in ignoring the abuse?




I would remind you again that these are PUBLIC FORUMS so the entire membership of Mingle are entitled to writs what they want.

The Policing of these threads is none of your concern.

I offered to stay out of your threads if you stay out of mine and then we shall go about our merry ways.

We have a saying in Ireland....

Mura féidir leat an seasamh an teas a fháil amach as an chistinbigsmile


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Tue 08/07/12 03:15 AM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/07/12 03:18 AM


All of the above can be dealt with in the context of The Future of Syria so why don't you show a little respect for other peoples opinions and offer a decent reply.....or none




My response was to the insults highlighted in bold above. Why don't you mind your own business and stop being so selective in ignoring the abuse?




I would remind you again that these are PUBLIC FORUMS so the entire membership of Mingle are entitled to writs what they want.

The Policing of these threads is none of your concern.

I offered to stay out of your threads if you stay out of mine and then we shall go about our merry ways.

We have a saying in Ireland....

Mura féidir leat an seasamh an teas a fháil amach as an chistinbigsmile




So, that gives you licence to selectively choose information and upbraid someone even though you misunderstood the post? I see...

Furthermore, why should I respect the opinion of a troll who ruined the thread?

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Tue 08/07/12 03:44 AM
Interesting!
Russia announces the stop of Weapons-Sales to Syria!
Now what happens,Suicide-Bomber in Grozny,Chechnya!
Seems they have pissed off the Iranian Overlord!
It is strange that everytime Russia acts against Iran's interests in the ME,all Hell breaks loose in the Caucasus!
A little reminder to Russia who is really running things!

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Tue 08/07/12 04:04 AM






So, that gives you licence to selectively choose information and upbraid someone even though you misunderstood the post? I see...

Furthermore, why should I respect the opinion of a troll who ruined the thread?




Even though we are being monitored by our masters there is still a window for free speech which I shall avail of as often as I wish.


If you have a lack of respect for other peoples opinions that is your prerogative but that prerogative is best exercised by a choimeád do bhéal dúnta

Could you be more specific as to who you are accusing of being a Troll and ruining the thread ?

Ruined The Thread?....Ag gáire amach os ard






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Wed 08/08/12 02:30 AM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Wed 08/08/12 02:35 AM







So, that gives you licence to selectively choose information and upbraid someone even though you misunderstood the post? I see...

Furthermore, why should I respect the opinion of a troll who ruined the thread?




Even though we are being monitored by our masters there is still a window for free speech which I shall avail of as often as I wish.


If you have a lack of respect for other peoples opinions that is your prerogative but that prerogative is best exercised by a choimeád do bhéal dúnta

Could you be more specific as to who you are accusing of being a Troll and ruining the thread ?

Ruined The Thread?....Ag gáire amach os ard




I see your game and I'm not about to play it. As for the respect you so crave, stultus es. laugh

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Wed 08/08/12 02:39 AM
Now, getting back on topic:

Buqata Journal

Echoes of Syria’s War in the Golan Heights

BUQATA, Golan Heights — As fighting rages in Syria between the government forces and the rebels, the conflict is playing out on a smaller scale in Syrian Druse villages like this one, on the Israeli-held portion of the Golan Heights across the old cease-fire line.

Divisions have sharpened among the 20,000 or so Syrian citizens of the Druse religious sect who inhabit this plateau, which Israel seized from Syria in the 1967 war and later effectively annexed. While many remain loyal to the government of President Bashar al-Assad in Damascus, there is an increasingly vocal group of opponents. The split has, on occasion, spilled into violence.

In April, the father of Wiam Amasha, a well-known anti-Assad activist from Buqata, was run over by a car during an altercation with pro-Assad villagers in what family members and supporters said was a murder attempt. The victim spent nearly two months in Israeli hospitals.

Then one Friday in July more than 100 anti-Assad demonstrators in the Golan Heights’s largest village, Majdal Shams, were set upon by Assad supporters wielding sticks and stones and throwing eggs, the protesters said. One protester from each camp was said to have been injured in the ensuing brawl.

With close-knit families and clans here already divided, there is fear on both sides that a slide into bloodshed would be disastrous. Druse community leaders have acted quickly to broker understandings and restore calm.

“We do not want to reach the point of fighting,” Mr. Amasha said. “We are all related — we are brothers and cousins.”

Only a few of the Golan Druse have chosen to take Israeli citizenship. Despite the relative freedoms they enjoy under Israeli control, many say that the sense of belonging to Syria has not waned, even after more than 40 years of Israeli governance. Loyalty to the Assad family has long been a part of their identity.

The Druse, who practice a largely secret religion that is often described as an offshoot of Ismaili Islam, have fared reasonably well in Syria as a small minority under the rule of the Assads, who belong to another minority sect, the Alawites.

Here, the reasons for still supporting the Assad government, or at least not publicly opposing it, include fear for relatives in Syria and vested interests. Scores of students from the Golan Heights are studying in Syrian universities, and apple farmers here ship their crops to Syria.

The Druse also say they are anxious about their prospects if an Islamic government rises in Syria.

Jala Abu Awad, who runs a tire shop in Buqata, said of Mr. Assad: “He was a quiet neighbor. He gave us no problems.”

But more Golan Druse have begun to speak out against the Assads, particularly in light of their brutal efforts to suppress the Syrian uprising.

“I have been against Bashar al-Assad since he took over from his father,” Rabia Abu Salah said as he unpacked frozen chicken at a grocery store in Majdal Shams. “The regime is like a mafia.”

On Tuesday, 86 Druse who were studying in Syria returned home to the Israeli side, about 10 days ahead of schedule, because of the intensifying violence in Syria. They were bused to Buqata, where women in traditional clothing, with large white scarves wrapped around their heads, and other family members had been waiting since the early hours of the morning.

“I will not lie to you: I hope to return to Damascus University and finish my studies,” said Waleed Abu Shaheen, a 22-year-old medical student, whose family could hardly stop caressing him. Qweenat Asal, another medical student, said: “All is well. We are here all right.”

But all was not well for Dr. Moein Abu Salah, who is from Majdal Shams but married a Syrian woman named Mirfat and had three children while living in Damascus. Dr. Salah, 43, took his family to the border but then left them behind because they did not receive permits to enter Israel in time to catch the convoy of buses on Tuesday.

“Because of a signature, Mirfat and the children had to take the dangerous road back to Damascus and put their life in danger,” said Daniel Abi Salah, the doctor’s brother. “We, the family, took the hard decision, and Moein crossed over without his wife and kids. We pray that maybe Israel will come forward and give the lifesaving signature.”

Israel and Syria are still technically at war, but the quiet that has prevailed for decades along this frontier has allowed Israel to develop the area as a military arena and a tourist destination.

The wild and rocky terrain, which commands northern Israel and its main water sources, is also home to up to 20,000 Israeli Jews in more than 30 settlements, though Israel’s annexation of the area has not been internationally recognized.

In winter, Israelis ski on the slopes of Mount Hermon in the shadow of military camps. In the summer and the fall, Israelis flock here for the cherry- and apple-picking seasons and to eat in Druse restaurants.

In Majdal Shams, the border fence has been fortified with a steel barrier, after protesters, most of them Palestinians, breached the frontier last year, drawing deadly fire from Israeli soldiers. The last row of houses here practically touches the boundary.

Recently, when the fighting in Syria grew close, Ehud Barak, the Israeli defense minister, peered across the lines through binoculars and said that if Israel had to stop waves of refugees heading this way, “we will stop them.”

Mr. Amasha, 30, the anti-Assad activist from nearby Buqata whose father was run over, says he is just as fervently opposed to the Israeli occupation of this territory. He has spent most of his years since the age of 16 in Israeli prisons.

First, he said, he was arrested after he threw Molotov cocktails at police and army positions and for raising Syrian flags in the village. Then he and a few comrades dismantled a land mine with the intention of using parts for weapons, but it exploded, injuring them. Finally, he was convicted of planning to capture Israeli soldiers to exchange them for Palestinian and Syrian prisoners, though he denied it. He was released in October, one of hundreds of security prisoners, most of them Palestinians, who were exchanged for a captive Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit.

Like other critics, Mr. Amasha said that Mr. Assad had made no genuine effort to liberate the Golan Heights and had opposed Israel only “on television.” He said he believed that only a strong, democratic Syria could liberate the territory, whether through war or through negotiations.

Sitting under a plaque with a Syrian flag in his family’s salon, he said that the local version of the shabiha, or pro-Assad thugs, had been harassing him and his family. They have been ostracized by the community, he added, even though his sisters-in-law support Mr. Assad.

He said that his father, an insurance agent, was rammed by a car driven by shabiha after he had confronted a group of them who were noisily cursing the family outside their home and playing pro-Assad songs on loudspeakers.

But neither side seems to want violence to spiral here.

“This is just a small place, a few villages,” said Salman Fakhr Eddin, a strong critic of the Assad government and a coordinator at Al Marsad — the Arab Center for Human Rights in the Golan Heights.

“Sometimes keeping quiet is more important than politics,” he added. “We are not going to make the change in Syria.”





Rina Castelnuovo contributed reporting.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/world/middleeast/in-the-golan-heights-syrias-war-echoes.html?pagewanted=all

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Wed 08/08/12 04:53 AM








So, that gives you licence to selectively choose information and upbraid someone even though you misunderstood the post? I see...

Furthermore, why should I respect the opinion of a troll who ruined the thread?




Even though we are being monitored by our masters there is still a window for free speech which I shall avail of as often as I wish.


If you have a lack of respect for other peoples opinions that is your prerogative but that prerogative is best exercised by a choimeád do bhéal dúnta

Could you be more specific as to who you are accusing of being a Troll and ruining the thread ?

Ruined The Thread?....Ag gáire amach os ard




I see your game and I'm not about to play it. As for the respect you so crave, stultus es. laugh


No Games..Deadly Serious...

If you really wanted to get back on Topic you wouldn't have included the above post.

Tá do Ego do fórsa tiomána...it told you to get back at me...Ag gáire amach os ard

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Wed 08/08/12 12:12 PM
Since Israel "wants" all the attention to be focused on Syria, I am going to do just the opposite. I am going to look elsewhere, because I am sure that they are doing something very covert somewhere else that they don't want anyone to pay any attention to.

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Wed 08/08/12 02:49 PM

Since Israel "wants" all the attention to be focused on Syria, I am going to do just the opposite. I am going to look elsewhere, because I am sure that they are doing something very covert somewhere else that they don't want anyone to pay any attention to.


I'm sure you won't have a problem finding something. There are plenty of anti-semitic hate sites out there, you're bound to find something to suit your purposes.

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Wed 08/08/12 08:04 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/08/12 08:04 PM
It appears, any site that has any news at all about the middle east or Israel that does not kiss the backside (butt) of "Zionism" is labeled "anti-semitic."

The news sources who cover up and make excuses for every act of war, terrorism and aggression that Israel is involved in are Zionist controlled, which is part of the agenda to control the media.

And every conflict in the middle east you can be certain that Israel has a hand in it. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Using the buzz word "anti-semitic" is a flashing red light that points to the person using it as a pawn of the Criminal Cabal that buys into their propaganda and rhetoric.

It IS a tactic of the Criminal Cabal who hide behind the skirts of Jewish mothers, catholic priests, and Christian church ladies and pretend to be something they are not.

A Zionist sympathizer is a communist sympathizer. Zionism is the biggest enemy of the Jewish people who want peace. It is the biggest enemy of the world.

Zionism is WAR and will get the entire state of Israel wiped off the map while the top leaders and Rabi's will all abandon that sinking ship. Watch them go. They don't care about the Jewish people AT ALL. They don't care about anyone except themselves and their own bloodline criminal family.

The agenda of Zionism is an agenda of aggression, oppression, racial and ethnic prejudice and it has nothing to do with a "safe haven" for Jews. Like religion, it is a fake agenda.

To defend Zionism is to join the ranks of the worst criminals on the earth.




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Wed 08/08/12 08:10 PM
laugh

Whatever! There has always been some way of justifying anti-semitism for those who evince it.

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Wed 08/08/12 08:11 PM
And as the Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu insists that all attention be turned to the fake civil war in Syria, fighting breaks out in Sinai.

Early yesterday (wednesday) morning Egyptian troops, backed by helicopters gunships, entered al-Toumah village, 15 miles south of Sheikh Zuweid in an effort to crack down on Islamic militants "blamed" for killing 16 Egyptian soldiers during an attempted attack on Israel.

This attack, by gunships and infantry followed an overnight wave of violence in the area, in which security officials claim that gunmen had launched co-ordinated attacks on seven Egyptian checkpoints.

The latest series of clashes have escalated since the ousting of Hosni Mubarak from power in Egypt.

The war wages on in Israel's quest to control more and more territory.