Bear with me on this if you will and I will keep it as short as possible knowing any debate will condemn, condone, clarify, define, or otherwise evolve the topic.

Have we come down to Communism, Christianity or Patriotism as a mindset of principles or culture in America?

For instance:

Obama is a facsist (the word fascist is intended to mean "oppressive", "intolerant", "chauvinist", "genocidal", "dictatorial", "racist", or "aggressive" – all concepts that are allegedly inspired by the ideology of actual fascism, and pervasive in nature) as shown by his policies and leadership. His dictates bordering on Communism, or believing that the govt is the supreme power, and we all owe our alligence, and wealth, to that govt, to protect us from ourselves. Gov't therefore has the power to dictate over every aspect of our lives, our wealth, our health, our culture, and "allows' us freedoms within their definition of them.

Romney professes "Christian" principles, but being Mormon, any claiming to be Christian have a problem getting behind the definitions or beliefs of his religion, but at least he's "not a Communist" (I've heard this argument a lot!). In that paradigm of Christian belief he professes in his campaign, we have a holy right to impose our beliefs and principles on the peoples of other nations, other cultures, because ours are the only "acceptable" beliefs, and if it takes force to make them see things our way, our cause is just!

Then there is Patriotism....

Most would say you can be a patriot and still promote one of the two above mentioned candidates, and while that is true, it is unrealistic with either of these two choices.

The Obama administration has espouced that being a patriot is following the dictates of gov't regardless of it's policies, it is your gov't and you MUST obey or you are not a patriot. This is wrong on SO many levels as it is the nation, NOT it's leadership or laws that we swear our alligence to! His DHS has declared that any who believe other than as his administration dictates, is in principle, a terrorist, or in their eyes, a traitor, and now they have the right to detain, search, imprison, or even kill citizens of our nation "suspected" that they may be a threat to their dictates....THOUGHT CRIME!

Romney has echoed many of the Obama/Bush dictates and sanctions on the same cast of persons. His supporters are of the same group or class (bankers, corporations, wall street, or the "status quo" ruling elite) who put themselves above the very laws and requirements imposed on the many as laws or regulation that must be adhered to.

He (Romney) has even adopted a list of 17 of 23 of his cabinet choices from the Bush administration, supporting bailouts, undeclared wars, the patriot act and all the atrocities and intrusions into our personal lives that go with them! The same people who gave us the recession we now find ourselves in, that have been continued and enhanced by the Obama administration (contrary to the lies Obama told about ending all of them on his "first day in office as POTUS, and you can take that to the bank!").

So where in either of these two candidates agenda or policies does REAL patriotism stand?

If you believe in sound money, smaller gov't, the constitution (or other founding documents), freedom of speech, 2nd amendment gun rights, that war must be declared by an act of congress, that it is NOT ok to detain or kill American citizens without due process, that you have the right to be secure in your person, place or papers, then under the administrations of either of these two men, YOU ARE A TERRORIST!

Therefore, it is my belief, that you are either a Communist, a Christian, or a Patriot under present conditions and guidelines, and no "gray area" exists in this election cycle.

Fire away!

I guess I'm a terrorist then.

hmm,,,intolerant....

would intolerance fight for the rights of homosexuals?

chauvanist?

would chauvanist fight for equal pay for women and support for womens choice?

genocidal?

which group is he trying to eradicate exactly?


dicatorial?

is that why, Since Grover Cleveland, no president has used his veto LESS?




it doesnt line up with facts,, but everyone is entitled to their opinion


miriam defines patriot as:
one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests


I have made it clear I find it hard to 'love' a land mass, territory, home,,,etc,,,

I do, however, support the authority and interests of the country


and I do care about the people in it,,,,

You are a contradiction of terms! If that is truly what you believe, then how can you possibly support Obozo?

because I believe his vision is about the people in it too,, regardless of their 'class' or race or gender or hardship

You are talking about a man who has lied at every turn to the American people.

If he truly did support "helping" people, he would not have waited until an election year to try to do something for them.... it's just more election rhetoric on his part!

Also, if you would notice, he NEVER fully commits to such stances, just throws them out there to distract, deceive, or influence at any particular time, without nailing down his support of them!

Blame his inaction on Republicrats if it makes you swallow it easier, but the truth is, his actions are unfavorable even to some of the most corrupt in congress, and that is why they won't act on many of them.

Most of congress does NOT want to give him the power, or so blatantly deprive or subject the American people (those who elect them) to the things he wants control over!

I just dont see what you see

I have seen him trying to 'help' since the beginning up to AND INCLUDING the 'election year'

and I dont know what constitutes 'nailing down' support,,,

he either campaigns in favor or he doesnt or he weighs the information before deciding,,,,


he is a president, his control comes AFTER congress, which he has very rarely gone against even though they CONTINUE making it their goal to 'defeat' him,,instead of work with him for AMerica,,,,

That is so much BS! If congress doesn't give it to him he uses an exec order, or claims the UN gives him the power to do so.

His helping people is like stealing from those who have earned and giving it to those who for the most part don't appreciate, but feel they deserve. After all, those who earned a lot of it don't need it so they should be entitled to some of it.

The other side of that coin.... the ones who can best afford to help, the banks and corporations/wall street (his backers and major campaign supporters), Obozo exempts from having to participate in that transfer of wealth!

I understand you are passionate, thats fine. But I still think you are mistaken. Executive orders are used to set policy for HOW the government departments will be run. As far as laws and bills about the PEOPLE, Congress has had its way, often not 'giving' the President what he wants,,,

like say,,,,repeal of tax cuts for the rich, or increasing the minimum wage,, or any of the many other things the President supports that Congress wont pass or implement.


his 'helping' people will involve the US budget, thats reality with any President

so if using that budget is 'stealing' from some (I imagine you mean taxpaying citizens),, thats the price of democracy

much more of the democracy I prefer than one where only those earning enough to pay in have rights or ability to participate or contribute or be represented

Obozo has turned the White House and congress into a swap meet for the wealthy!

Enhancing unconstitutional policies like NDAA, the Patriot Act, Gitmo, now drones and a "kill list"...yep, GREAT policies!

The general public will NEVER darken the WH halls, or have much chance of appealing to congress, and now even less chance since his making free speech a crime in a public area where you congressman or another rep may be making an appearance

Don't worry. Romney will allow you to keep your welfare.....all you have to do is swear an oath of loyalty to him

I dont need to 'keep' welfare, I just need to find work,,,which I have possibly found the right network of 'references' to achieve,,,,,


as to the rest, everyone interprets things their own way

You may have found work? COOL! I hope it works out for you. I'd be happy for you!

The statement about Robme.... In MA RP delegates took 17 of 23 slots....they (the RNC) "demanded" they all sign affidavits SWEARING to vote for Robme (Vote tampering, coercion, and HIGHLY illegal)....anyway, MA GOP decided it didn't look good that Robme couldn't even get enough support to win delegates in his own state....so they "striped" the delegates of their rights and status....also illegal and criminal... appointing their own without a legitimate vote or priciple/law that allows it, and against their own rules!

Robme and the GOP/RNC are as corrupt as Obozo and the DNC.... so I'm not playing favorites by attacking Obozo....

Sometimes "interpretation" needs no interpreting....

thanx for the banana....

You present a premise that is flawed. The U.S. government is comprised of 3 co-equal branches that keep each other in check. The President of the USA leads only one of those branches.

You also create a false dichotomy by saying "Christian or Patriot" because a person can be both.

Guess you haven't been following the news.... Obozo is trying to be King and rule!

You can be a Christian and a patriot, but not if you vote for Robme and support his principles

I feel that people bandy the word 'Fascism' around without really understanding the implications of the accusation. If it were true, his goons would have kicked down your door and executed you and your family without trial. But before that, you and yours would have been brutalised in order to divulge information linking others to your activities, and on and on it goes.

Fascism is Totalitarianism, which is 'Total' contol over a population. It invades every aspect of one's life and it contols through fear and suspicion. To compare Obama's term of office to true 'Fascism' is hyperbolic in the extreme.

I sometimes fear we will be bringing back a warren commission type culture again

where anyone accused of wanting to 'use other peoples money' will be accused of communism and have their citizenship revoked or maybe even imprisoned for refusing to worship/idolize the flag,,,

We are fast approaching that point. Because most still have some conscience still remaining he has only been able to enhance the police state in preparation for the day he can get that passed!

As of right now, he has a "kill list"! He is trying to have guns and ammo banned, freedom of speech, attacks on the internet, enhanced surveilance and torture still continues (though he says we don't, he just sends prisoners to places who do!), attacks on ALL privacy of your cell phone and internet communications, cameras on every corner, RFID in most everything you buy and they want to embed it into the money supply now as well.

Who knows when he moves on to the next phase?

In THIS administration....that would be almost a blessing over what we have!