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For me love does affect your feelings and emotions. BUT I use self control and I wont 'give' my love to someone who is not going in the same direction as me. Is it so hard to understand that love only happens when the circumstances and person suit? To whom is this addressed? I agree with you completely. Love is a choice, if you aren't open to love, it's very unlikely you will find it. Love is transcendent. It colors every thought, emotion and feeling you have. It makes your food taste better, colors seem brighter, smells sharper. It improves or perfects every experience in life. Absolutely, both of you...And Spider, you're last sentence is so true and just reading it makes me feel happy and I know the topic is "What is Love", but because I so agree with your post I feel compelled to point out that when love ends, when someone we love makes a "choice" to stop loving us, negative feelings can be magnified too...Sometimes these negative feelings remain in a magnified state for as long as it takes to "re-train" ourselves to stop loving the person who rejected us... Although I do not believe love has one specific opposite some of the opposite feelings, thoughts, emotions I refer to include ultra sensitivity, anger, hate, hopelessness, spitefullness, arrogance, defiance....I am curious if you agree?.... PS: I don't think my post is off topic and I hope it isn't, but if it is I apologize.... Yes, you are right on topic. Say you are a Jew and you hate Nazis, does it make you love your kids less? No. But if you find love, you might find you hate Nazis a bit less. But when love ends, it's a painful experience. It's physically and emotionally traumatic on the scale that it's similar to losing a part of your self. The loss of this transcendent experience is also transcendent. It affects every part of your life negatively. Although I do not believe love has one specific opposite some of the opposite feelings, thoughts, emotions I refer to include ultra sensitivity, anger, hate, hopelessness, spitefullness, arrogance, defiance....I am curious if you agree?.... I don't believe there is any emotion which is the opposite of love. Those emotions could all arise from loss of love, in fact you would probably feel most of those at the same time after losing love, which again shows how different love is from other experiences. |
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I put love in a box, I keep her in my basement. You put Helena in a box? Good film. I was beginning to wonder if anyone else had seen it. |
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For me love does affect your feelings and emotions. BUT I use self control and I wont 'give' my love to someone who is not going in the same direction as me. Is it so hard to understand that love only happens when the circumstances and person suit? To whom is this addressed? I agree with you completely. Love is a choice, if you aren't open to love, it's very unlikely you will find it. Love is transcendent. It colors every thought, emotion and feeling you have. It makes your food taste better, colors seem brighter, smells sharper. It improves or perfects every experience in life. Absolutely, both of you...And Spider, you're last sentence is so true and just reading it makes me feel happy and I know the topic is "What is Love", but because I so agree with your post I feel compelled to point out that when love ends, when someone we love makes a "choice" to stop loving us, negative feelings can be magnified too...Sometimes these negative feelings remain in a magnified state for as long as it takes to "re-train" ourselves to stop loving the person who rejected us... Although I do not believe love has one specific opposite some of the opposite feelings, thoughts, emotions I refer to include ultra sensitivity, anger, hate, hopelessness, spitefullness, arrogance, defiance....I am curious if you agree?.... PS: I don't think my post is off topic and I hope it isn't, but if it is I apologize.... Yes, you are right on topic. Say you are a Jew and you hate Nazis, does it make you love your kids less? No. But if you find love, you might find you hate Nazis a bit less. But when love ends, it's a painful experience. It's physically and emotionally traumatic on the scale that it's similar to losing a part of your self. The loss of this transcendent experience is also transcendent. It affects every part of your life negatively. Although I do not believe love has one specific opposite some of the opposite feelings, thoughts, emotions I refer to include ultra sensitivity, anger, hate, hopelessness, spitefullness, arrogance, defiance....I am curious if you agree?.... I don't believe there is any emotion which is the opposite of love. Those emotions could all arise from loss of love, in fact you would probably feel most of those at the same time after losing love, which again shows how different love is from other experiences. Thanks..... 
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"How can the "entire human experience" exceed all limits?"
Simple. Life is a continuum. There are no new lines because the only lines that exist are the ones we draw as individuals based on our own limited personal growth and knowledge. Life, love and energy never stops moving. Thank you Mods for responding. |
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"How can the "entire human experience" exceed all limits?" Simple. Life is a continuum. There are no new lines because the only lines that exist are the ones we draw as individuals based on our own limited personal growth and knowledge. Life, love and energy never stops moving. That makes no sense. If every experience for you were transcendent, then none of them would be. |
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I put love in a box, I keep her in my basement. You put Helena in a box? Good film. I was beginning to wonder if anyone else had seen it. Sherilyn Fenn right? Man, that chick was so hot! |
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Yes, you are right on topic. Say you are a Jew and you hate Nazis, does it make you love your kids less? No. But if you find love, you might find you hate Nazis a bit less. But when love ends, it's a painful experience. It's physically and emotionally traumatic on the scale that it's similar to losing a part of your self. The loss of this transcendent experience is also transcendent. It affects every part of your life negatively. What does finding love and hating Nazis have to do with each other? I don't think that finding love is going to make someone stop hating Nazis.. that's strange to try and combine the two. |
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Yes, you are right on topic. Say you are a Jew and you hate Nazis, does it make you love your kids less? No. But if you find love, you might find you hate Nazis a bit less. But when love ends, it's a painful experience. It's physically and emotionally traumatic on the scale that it's similar to losing a part of your self. The loss of this transcendent experience is also transcendent. It affects every part of your life negatively. What does finding love and hating Nazis have to do with each other? I don't think that finding love is going to make someone stop hating Nazis.. that's strange to try and combine the two. When you're in love the world looks nicer. |
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Edited by
singmesweet
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Fri 07/06/12 11:17 AM
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Yes, you are right on topic. Say you are a Jew and you hate Nazis, does it make you love your kids less? No. But if you find love, you might find you hate Nazis a bit less. But when love ends, it's a painful experience. It's physically and emotionally traumatic on the scale that it's similar to losing a part of your self. The loss of this transcendent experience is also transcendent. It affects every part of your life negatively. What does finding love and hating Nazis have to do with each other? I don't think that finding love is going to make someone stop hating Nazis.. that's strange to try and combine the two. When you're in love the world looks nicer. Very true. However, that's not going to make someone like Nazis more. Also, I thought you had said you hadn't been in love before? |
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Yes, you are right on topic. Say you are a Jew and you hate Nazis, does it make you love your kids less? No. But if you find love, you might find you hate Nazis a bit less. But when love ends, it's a painful experience. It's physically and emotionally traumatic on the scale that it's similar to losing a part of your self. The loss of this transcendent experience is also transcendent. It affects every part of your life negatively. What does finding love and hating Nazis have to do with each other? I don't think that finding love is going to make someone stop hating Nazis.. that's strange to try and combine the two. I think you have to be familiar with the "feeling" of falling in love to understand what he is trying to say (and I am not saying you're not Singme)...I think he might be talking about those first few weeks or months....All of the things in you own personal world that you embrace in some way become better, enhanced, like the taste of ice cream to the lover of ice cream for instance ...Things that you do not embrace become less bothersome, they matter less to you because they take a backseat to the euphoria of letting go, letting yourself fall in love......It is the "magic" powerof love....
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Yes, you are right on topic. Say you are a Jew and you hate Nazis, does it make you love your kids less? No. But if you find love, you might find you hate Nazis a bit less. But when love ends, it's a painful experience. It's physically and emotionally traumatic on the scale that it's similar to losing a part of your self. The loss of this transcendent experience is also transcendent. It affects every part of your life negatively. What does finding love and hating Nazis have to do with each other? I don't think that finding love is going to make someone stop hating Nazis.. that's strange to try and combine the two. I think you have to be familiar with the "feeling" of falling in love to understand what he is trying to say (and I am not saying you're not Singme)...I think he might be talking about those first few weeks or months....All of the things in you own personal world that you embrace in some way become better, enhanced, like the taste of ice cream to the lover of ice cream for instance ...Things that you do not embrace become less bothersome, they matter less to you because they take a backseat to the euphoria of letting go, letting yourself fall in love......It is the "magic" powerof love.... Yes, I have been in love before, so I am familiar with that feeling. It doesn't make me like Nazis more, though. They don't have anything to do with each other. I guess I just thought that was an odd example, as I don't think of Nazis often, but loving someone would not make me hate Nazis less. Perhaps it works that way for some, though! As we know, we're all quite different. |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Fri 07/06/12 11:41 AM
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Yes, you are right on topic. Say you are a Jew and you hate Nazis, does it make you love your kids less? No. But if you find love, you might find you hate Nazis a bit less. But when love ends, it's a painful experience. It's physically and emotionally traumatic on the scale that it's similar to losing a part of your self. The loss of this transcendent experience is also transcendent. It affects every part of your life negatively. What does finding love and hating Nazis have to do with each other? I don't think that finding love is going to make someone stop hating Nazis.. that's strange to try and combine the two. I think you have to be familiar with the "feeling" of falling in love to understand what he is trying to say (and I am not saying you're not Singme)...I think he might be talking about those first few weeks or months....All of the things in you own personal world that you embrace in some way become better, enhanced, like the taste of ice cream to the lover of ice cream for instance ...Things that you do not embrace become less bothersome, they matter less to you because they take a backseat to the euphoria of letting go, letting yourself fall in love......It is the "magic" powerof love.... Yes, I have been in love before, so I am familiar with that feeling. It doesn't make me like Nazis more, though. They don't have anything to do with each other. I guess I just thought that was an odd example, as I don't think of Nazis often, but loving someone would not make me hate Nazis less. Perhaps it works that way for some, though! As we know, we're all quite different. He didn't say love "makes you like Nazis more, he said....IF you hate Nazis, when you're in love you might hate them less......It was an analogy Sing!...A chitty analogy, but just an analogy! 
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He didn't say love "makes you like Nazis more, he said....IF you hate Nazis, when you're in love you might hate them less......It was an analogy Sing!...A chitty analogy, but just an analogy! An analogy that just didn't work for me. It may work for others, though. :) |
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There has been a lot of discussion about love lately. I feel that my position hasn't been clear, so I'm going to explain where I'm coming from. Feeling - A temporary experience, which may or may not have an obvious origin. Emotion - An experience that is deeply rooted in the psyche and exists independent of external stimuli. Love is not a feeling or an emotion. You don't have to learn how to hate someone or how to be angry or hungry or tired or how to be afraid of spiders. But you have to learn how to love someone and we all do it differently. Love does have an emotional aspect, but to say that love is an emotion is like saying that Godzilla is a lizard. It's like saying that the Earth is a rock floating in space. It's like saying that a human is a pile of various minerals. While those statements have a grain of truth, they are also so inaccurate as to be shockingly wrong. Love is so important to human beings, that it's listed only after physiological and safety needs on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. This means that any normal healthy human who has the things he/she needs to live and has shelter from the various dangers of the world, immediately starts to seek out love. Is there any emotion that people seek out? Don't say "happiness", because that's a feeling. Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't add "Oh baby, don't hurt me, Don't hurt me no more." I went back to the original post here cause (and to be honest) I truly wasn't sure what the hell we were talking about here. I knew it was about Love but wanted to know what started this whole thing off. I guess love is a lot like faith. You have to believe that it exists in order to actually experience it. Sure. We love our family members. But why? Why is it that when we are born that we just seem to (autmatically) love these people who are our family? I mean, I love those family members close to me. Why? Cause they have been there for me, and vice versa. My Mom cared for me to raise me and love me. My Grandparents did the same. But not all people love their family. Hell, there are some in my family I could do without, lol. Way I see it, we are taught about this thing called love. Sometimes, we are told who we can love, or rather who we shouldn't love. Guess that would be more environmental stimuli right? Still, as I grew up, I started to learn what mattered most to me. True. I wanted a family, white picket fence, and all that mumbo jumbo we hear about as kids. But what I soon realized was that my feelings changed. I don't have to be in love, nor do I have to love someone in order to fill complete. Therefore I don't search the world over to find my true love. I just allow life to happen on a daily basis. You can love someone because they become important to you. In fact, that is a great thing. You can love the ocean, the forest, the mountains, etc. You can love life. Seems we throw this love word around a lot huh? So yeah, to me, love is both a feeling and an emotion. Or rather, it is a belief in those two things. Perhaps people seek out love with the faith that it does exist. Or that it can exist for them. I dunno. I am confused now. Lol. |
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Sorry Spideercmb. Being in New Zealand means I am 18 hours ahead of most Americans and I posted before I went to sleep. That post was directed at noone, just my musings in my head tis all.
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Edited by
MariahsFantasy
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There has been a lot of discussion about love lately. I feel that my position hasn't been clear, so I'm going to explain where I'm coming from. Feeling - A temporary experience, which may or may not have an obvious origin. Emotion - An experience that is deeply rooted in the psyche and exists independent of external stimuli. Love is not a feeling or an emotion. You don't have to learn how to hate someone or how to be angry or hungry or tired or how to be afraid of spiders. But you have to learn how to love someone and we all do it differently. Love does have an emotional aspect, but to say that love is an emotion is like saying that Godzilla is a lizard. It's like saying that the Earth is a rock floating in space. It's like saying that a human is a pile of various minerals. While those statements have a grain of truth, they are also so inaccurate as to be shockingly wrong. Love is so important to human beings, that it's listed only after physiological and safety needs on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. This means that any normal healthy human who has the things he/she needs to live and has shelter from the various dangers of the world, immediately starts to seek out love. Is there any emotion that people seek out? Don't say "happiness", because that's a feeling. Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't add "Oh baby, don't hurt me, Don't hurt me no more." I opened a thread here about "closed vs. open hearts" and I completely understand where you're coming from. I was thinking back to speech class and Maslow's hierarchy of needs and it occurred to me...how truly complicated love is. Not the word. People complicate it. And no, not everyone throws the word around. What a ridiculously callous thing to say, and way too general to hold true meaning. The word itself is a neutral dirty rag, without the meaning, its completely invisible. I am so tired of people saying its the hardest thing to want/need. It truly isn't. There was a reason why John Lennon and the peace movement was such a force to be reckoned with. Because nothing is stronger or more simple than love. The close minded would preach and give excuses, why this or that will not suffice or work out because people have changed and stopped caring. The truth of the matter is: its a need. No one can't disprove nor provide a defense to why it isn't. A physiological one that. And its the least confusing of all the needs. To the closed and fearful minded of the population, they won't understand this. The rest of us remain steadfast and true to our ideals. |
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"How can the "entire human experience" exceed all limits?" Simple. Life is a continuum. There are no new lines because the only lines that exist are the ones we draw as individuals based on our own limited personal growth and knowledge. Life, love and energy never stops moving. That makes no sense. If every experience for you were transcendent, then none of them would be. To you it probably doesn't make sense. Actually I would think that you would have a hard time making sense out of a lot of things I have learned over my many years. And I you. Just like what you were saying before about getting out of the box, I would call what you are talking about, climbing into a box. Love is one of those things that you nor anyone else is going to be able to identify for everyone other than you. I'm not saying that your view is wrong from anybody else, it's just your slant on it from where you are sitting. |
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There has been a lot of discussion about love lately. I feel that my position hasn't been clear, so I'm going to explain where I'm coming from. Feeling - A temporary experience, which may or may not have an obvious origin. Emotion - An experience that is deeply rooted in the psyche and exists independent of external stimuli. Love is not a feeling or an emotion. You don't have to learn how to hate someone or how to be angry or hungry or tired or how to be afraid of spiders. But you have to learn how to love someone and we all do it differently. Love does have an emotional aspect, but to say that love is an emotion is like saying that Godzilla is a lizard. It's like saying that the Earth is a rock floating in space. It's like saying that a human is a pile of various minerals. While those statements have a grain of truth, they are also so inaccurate as to be shockingly wrong. Love is so important to human beings, that it's listed only after physiological and safety needs on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. This means that any normal healthy human who has the things he/she needs to live and has shelter from the various dangers of the world, immediately starts to seek out love. Is there any emotion that people seek out? Don't say "happiness", because that's a feeling. Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't add "Oh baby, don't hurt me, Don't hurt me no more." I opened a thread here about "closed vs. open hearts" and I completely understand where you're coming from. I was thinking back to speech class and Maslow's hierarchy of needs and it occurred to me...how truly complicated love is. Not the word. People complicate it. And no, not everyone throws the word around. What a ridiculously callous thing to say, and way too general to hold true meaning. The word itself is a neutral dirty rag, without the meaning, its completely invisible. I am so tired of people saying its the hardest thing to want/need. It truly isn't. There was a reason why John Lennon and the peace movement was such a force to be reckoned with. Because nothing is stronger or more simple than love. The close minded would preach and give excuses, why this or that will not suffice or work out because people have changed and stopped caring. The truth of the matter is: its a need. No one can't disprove nor provide a defense to why it isn't. A physiological one that. And its the least confusing of all the needs. To the closed and fearful minded of the population, they won't understand this. The rest of us remain steadfast and true to our ideals. I'm very happy to see you bring up Lennon. I really enjoyed my time working with some of his groupies/family/followers. My eyes were opened to a great many things during and because of that time. |
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And here we all are on a dating website. That tells me the majority of people here have faith in love, whatever box or wings we choose to put love. It seems so simple, yet complex, depending on the person's interpetation of love.
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And here we all are on a dating website. That tells me the majority of people here have faith in love, whatever box or wings we choose to put love. It seems so simple, yet complex, depending on the person's interpetation of love. My interpretation is wanting the best for your partner in all things and having joy when she/he achieves successes. And feeling like you can't live without them of course... |
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