Topic: Ron Paul supporters for Obama
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Tue 06/05/12 03:58 PM
I voted for Ralph Nader the last two elections, even though I had to write him on the ballot here- which the PA Supreme Court required the PA DNC to pay him a couple million for their illegal actions. I do not think that voting for a third party is a wasted vote, if the count is high enough, they will take notice and actually support parts of the third party's platform.

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:09 PM





Isn't it sad when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils?



I wouldnt know,, havent come across that scenario yet

I have always been able to vote for whom I thought was best,,,


Thank goodness you're only 1 vote!.... America has enough problems with Obozos ACORN stuffing the ballot boxes with votes of the dead and illegals!


yeah, THOSE are americas major problems,,,,scared scared


No, Americas BIGGEST problem is people who don't "defend" or support the constitution as you claim!



really? thats the biggest problem? says alot

hunger, health, education, crime,,,, all taking a backseat to 'defending' a document,,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:15 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/05/12 04:16 PM






Isn't it sad when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils?



I wouldnt know,, havent come across that scenario yet

I have always been able to vote for whom I thought was best,,,


Thank goodness you're only 1 vote!.... America has enough problems with Obozos ACORN stuffing the ballot boxes with votes of the dead and illegals!


yeah, THOSE are americas major problems,,,,scared scared


No, Americas BIGGEST problem is people who don't "defend" or support the constitution as you claim!



really? thats the biggest problem? says alot

hunger, health, education, crime,,,, all taking a backseat to 'defending' a document,,,,


When a leader (such as your hero) doesn't follow the laws set forth in our founding documents, thinks himself powerful or important enough to change them to suit his own PERSONAL agenda, enslaves us to the bankers and corporations to fund that agenda...

The trickle down affects ALL of these as he burys us in debt promoting his agenda!

So YES, it is the most important!

The "blowback" of hatred of nations and terrorism is a residual affect!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:26 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/05/12 04:29 PM
"all taking a backseat to 'defending' a document,,,, "

By THAT reasoning, laws are useless because the laws of the land are "documents" and NOT worth defending.

Where does that put the "bible" a faith based document?

How about election rules?

Taxes? Let's all just call the tax code a document and refuse to pay!

Your POISON is part of the reason our great nation is in decline....the same reasoning as your hero, Obozo!

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:27 PM







Isn't it sad when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils?



I wouldnt know,, havent come across that scenario yet

I have always been able to vote for whom I thought was best,,,


Thank goodness you're only 1 vote!.... America has enough problems with Obozos ACORN stuffing the ballot boxes with votes of the dead and illegals!


yeah, THOSE are americas major problems,,,,scared scared


No, Americas BIGGEST problem is people who don't "defend" or support the constitution as you claim!



really? thats the biggest problem? says alot

hunger, health, education, crime,,,, all taking a backseat to 'defending' a document,,,,


When a leader (such as your hero) doesn't follow the laws set forth in our founding documents, thinks himself powerful or important enough to change them to suit his own PERSONAL agenda, enslaves us to the bankers and corporations to fund that agenda...

The trickle down affects ALL of these as he burys us in debt promoting his agenda!

So YES, it is the most important!

The "blowback" of hatred of nations and terrorism is a residual affect!


yes, the 'leader' does all that,,,,

wow!

and what constitutional law did the current Potus 'change' exactly?

and who were we 'enslaved' to before the bankers and corporations (im taking it this is implying a new development caused by this administration)

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:29 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 06/05/12 04:31 PM


"all taking a backseat to 'defending' a document,,,, "

By THAT reasoning, laws are useless because the laws of the land are "documents" and NOT worth defending.

Where does that put the "bible" a faith based document?

How about election rules?

Taxes? Let's all just call the tax code a document and refuse to pay!



they are not USELESS anymore than my chevrolet manual,, it has a purpose, it serves for guidance, but as an INANHIMATE object, there is nothing there for me to 'defend'

the bible is likewise a guide, I never feel the need to 'defend' it either,, it is there for people to believe in or not, it is not in any danger

election rules also set up a foundation, but without the people to IMPLEMENT them , they are just paper,, so I would defend those PEOPLE whom the document requires in order to have any relevance in the first place


saying whether I respect or adhere to something is not the same concept as feeling a need or desire to 'defend' it,,,

my poison is logic and an unwillingness to take part in idolatry (worshipping objects and papers),

ID suggest the poison of idolatry of objects and ideals above the PEOPLE that they are there for is what is causing decline

emotionalism taking over logic,,,,a scary thing

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:34 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/05/12 04:51 PM








Isn't it sad when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils?



I wouldnt know,, havent come across that scenario yet

I have always been able to vote for whom I thought was best,,,


Thank goodness you're only 1 vote!.... America has enough problems with Obozos ACORN stuffing the ballot boxes with votes of the dead and illegals!


yeah, THOSE are americas major problems,,,,scared scared


No, Americas BIGGEST problem is people who don't "defend" or support the constitution as you claim!



really? thats the biggest problem? says alot

hunger, health, education, crime,,,, all taking a backseat to 'defending' a document,,,,


When a leader (such as your hero) doesn't follow the laws set forth in our founding documents, thinks himself powerful or important enough to change them to suit his own PERSONAL agenda, enslaves us to the bankers and corporations to fund that agenda...

The trickle down affects ALL of these as he burys us in debt promoting his agenda!

So YES, it is the most important!

The "blowback" of hatred of nations and terrorism is a residual affect!


yes, the 'leader' does all that,,,,

wow!

and what constitutional law did the current Potus 'change' exactly?

and who were we 'enslaved' to before the bankers and corporations (im taking it this is implying a new development caused by this administration)


Patriot act enhancement (which he said he would repeal and instead enhanced)

NDAA

Gun laws under attack

1st amendment rights

Selling America to the UN and bypassing the power of Congress on war declarations and US troop envolvements

That's just a few, all unAmerican, all in violation of what you consider a useless document THIS nation was founded on!

I don't blame this administration FOR it, I blame them for CONTINUING it, making it worse yet!

In 1913 the bankers took control giving us the Federal Reserve system and the IRS, affectively enslaving the American people to their debt machine! In 2013, they fill THIS presidents White House, protecting their slave market and profits!

You think your vote, ANY vote matters? rofl

Until people become ACTIVE against the tyranny we have come under (which ONLY Paul supporters who the media ALWAYS crucifies... understandably), we will vote on fixed machines and get NOTHING other than more of the same!

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:48 PM
sigh

Patriot Act is an 11 year old bill,,,signed into Law under BUSH


repealing a law: Repealing Rather than Amending an Existing Law

In each instance, a member of Congress sponsors an entirely new bil


Read more at Suite101: How to Repeal or Amend a Law or Act of Congress | Suite101.com http://suite101.com/article/how-to-repeal-or-amend-a-law-or-act-of-congress-a288197#ixzz1wxvFI1D3


NDAA was a military appropriations bill, one was required to fund the military,,,,and it was a continuance of AUMF , also signed over a DECADE earlier,,,


I dont know of a war we 'declared' without congressoinal approval,,,

nor do I believe we have been 'sold' to the UN


the world exists further than our borders, and further than the original 13 colonies could have predicted or prepared for

the constitution NEEDS growth along with the growth of the world and our nation


who fills THIS PRESIDENTS white house?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:57 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/05/12 05:12 PM
Obama's Wall Street cabinet


"For a speech to Goldman Sachs executives, Summers walked away with $135,000. This is substantially more than double the earnings for an entire year of high-seniority auto workers, who have been pilloried by the Obama administration and the media for their supposedly exorbitant and “unsustainable” wages."


A series of articles published over the weekend, based on financial disclosure reports released by the Obama administration last Friday concerning top White House officials, documents the extent to which the administration, in both its personnel and policies, is a political instrument of Wall Street.
Policies that are extraordinarily favorable to the financial elite that were put in place over the past month by the Obama administration have fed a surge in share values on Wall Street. These include the scheme to use hundreds of billions of dollars in public funds to pay hedge funds to buy up the banks’ toxic assets at inflated prices, the Auto Task Force’s rejection of the recovery plans of Chrysler and General Motors and its demand for even more brutal layoffs, wage cuts and attacks on workers’ health benefits and pensions, and the decision by the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) to weaken “mark-to-market” accounting rules and permit banks to inflate the value of their toxic assets.

At the same time, Obama has campaigned against restrictions on bonuses paid to executives at insurance giant American International Group (AIG) and other bailed-out firms, and repeatedly assured Wall Street that he will slash social spending, including Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

The new financial disclosures reveal that top Obama advisors directly involved in setting these policies have received millions from Wall Street firms, including those that have received huge taxpayer bailouts.

The case of Lawrence Summers, director of the National Economic Council and Obama’s top economic adviser, highlights the politically incestuous character of relations between the Obama administration and the American financial elite.

Last year, Summers pocketed $5 million as a managing director of D.E. Shaw, one of the biggest hedge funds in the world, and another $2.7 million for speeches delivered to Wall Street firms that have received government bailout money. This includes $45,000 from Citigroup and $67,500 each from JPMorgan Chase and the now-liquidated Lehman Brothers.

For a speech to Goldman Sachs executives, Summers walked away with $135,000. This is substantially more than double the earnings for an entire year of high-seniority auto workers, who have been pilloried by the Obama administration and the media for their supposedly exorbitant and “unsustainable” wages.

Alluding diplomatically to the flagrant conflict of interest revealed by these disclosures, the New York Times noted on Saturday: “Mr. Summers, the director of the National Economic Council, wields important influence over Mr. Obama’s policy decisions for the troubled financial industry, including firms from which he recently received payments.”

Summers was a leading advocate of banking deregulation. As treasury secretary in the second Clinton administration, he oversaw the lifting of basic financial regulations dating from the 1930s. The Times article notes that among his current responsibilities is deciding “whether—and how—to tighten regulation of hedge funds.”

Summers is not an exception. He is rather typical of the Wall Street insiders who comprise a cabinet and White House team that is filled with multi-millionaires, presided over by a president who parlayed his own political career into a multi-million-dollar fortune.

Michael Froman, deputy national security adviser for international economic affairs, worked for Citigroup and received more than $7.4 million from the bank from January of 2008 until he entered the Obama administration this year. This included a $2.25 million year-end bonus handed him this past January, within weeks of his joining the Obama administration.

Citigroup has thus far been the beneficiary of $45 billion in cash and over $300 billion in government guarantees of its bad debts.

David Axelrod, the Obama campaign’s top strategist and now senior adviser to the president, was paid $1.55 million last year from two consulting firms he controls. He has agreed to buyouts that will garner him another $3 million over the next five years. His disclosure claims personal assets of between $7 and $10 million.

Obama’s deputy national security adviser, Thomas E. Donilon, was paid $3.9 million by a Washington law firm whose major clients include Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and the private equity firm Apollo Management.

Louis Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, made $227,155 last year from IndyMac Bancorp, the California bank that heavily promoted subprime mortgages. It collapsed last summer and was placed under federal receivership.

The presence of multi-millionaire Wall Street insiders extends to second- and third-tier positions in the Obama administration as well. David Stevens, who has been tapped by Obama to head the Federal Housing Administration, is the president and chief operating officer of Long and Foster Cos., a real estate brokerage firm. From 1999 to 2005, Stevens served as a top executive for Freddie Mac, the federally-backed mortgage lending giant that was bailed out and seized by federal regulators in September.

Neal Wolin, Obama’s selection for deputy counsel to the president for economic policy, is a top executive at the insurance giant Hartford Financial Services, where his salary was $4.5 million.

Obama’s Auto Task Force has as its top advisers two investment bankers with a long resume in corporate downsizing and asset-stripping.

It is not new for leading figures from finance to be named to high posts in a US administration. However, there has traditionally been an effort to demonstrate a degree of independence from Wall Street in the selection of cabinet officials and high-ranking presidential aides, often through the appointment of figures from academia or the public sector. In previous decades, moreover, representatives of the corporate elite were more likely to come from industry than from finance.

In the Obama administration such considerations have largely been abandoned.

This will not come as a surprise to those who critically followed Obama’s election campaign. While he postured before the electorate as a critic of the war in Iraq and a quasi-populist force for “change,” he was from the first heavily dependent on the financial and political backing of powerful financiers in Chicago. Banks, hedge funds and other financial firms lavishly backed his presidential bid, giving him considerably more than they gave to his Republican opponent, Senator John McCain.

Alongside Wall Street, the Obama cabinet is dominated by the military, including three recently retired four-star military officers: former Marine General James Jones as national security adviser; Admiral Dennis Blair as director of national intelligence, and former Army Chief of Staff Erik Shinseki as secretary of veterans’ affairs.



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Tue 06/05/12 04:58 PM
Am I missing something? How is anyone going to "waste" their vote on Ron Paul when he won't even be on the ballot come November?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/05/12 04:58 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/05/12 05:15 PM

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Tue 06/05/12 04:59 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/05/12 05:15 PM

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Tue 06/05/12 04:59 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/05/12 05:14 PM

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/05/12 05:11 PM
relevance?

military are in his cabinet, yet they are supporting PAUL

suggesting that one has little to do with the other

I wouldnt trust every email the party sends you,,,,,I Even check the ones DNC sends me,,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/05/12 05:12 PM

By FactCheck.Org

8:49 am, March 1, 2012 Updated: 9:30 am, March 1, 2012


American Future Fund ad, 'Obama's Wall Street'




A conservative 501(c)(4) exaggerates the number of “Wall Street executives” in the Obama White House. In a major TV ad buy, the American Future Fund lists 27 people it claims are part of “Obama’s Wall Street Inner Circle.” But the ad is either flat wrong or greatly exaggerated in more than half of those cases. Among the most laughable examples we found of “Wall Street executives” in Obama’s “inner circle”:
•A “White House fellow,” class of 2009-2010, who served in the Department of Defense, not the White House.
•Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who never worked for Goldman Sachs (as the ad falsely claims) or any other Wall Street firm.
•Two men who were appointed by President George W. Bush, and who left not long after Obama took office.
•Two men who never worked in the administration — including the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, who was selected by the New York Fed’s board of directors (the majority of whom are appointed by member banks).
•Two others who never worked for any Wall Street firm until after leaving the Obama administration.

It’s true that Obama raised a record amount of money from Wall Street for his 2008 presidential campaign, as the ad says. But Obama has had a rocky relationship with Wall Street executives since taking office — especially since signing legislation in the summer of 2010 that imposed tougher regulations on the industry.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/05/12 05:14 PM

relevance?

military are in his cabinet, yet they are supporting PAUL

suggesting that one has little to do with the other

I wouldnt trust every email the party sends you,,,,,I Even check the ones DNC sends me,,,,


The "soldiers" support Paul, the ACTUAL men and women in the trenches, NOT their warmonger superiors at the WH

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Tue 06/05/12 05:23 PM

A List of Goldman Sachs People in the Obama Government: Names Attached to the Giant Squid’s Tentacles

http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/2010/04/27/a-list-of-goldman-sachs-people-in-the-obama-government-names-attached-to-the-giant-squids-tentacles/

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Tue 06/05/12 07:43 PM

Every vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama. Don't kid yourselves, Romney has the GOP nomination tied up. If you don't vote Romney, that is just one less vote that Obama has to overcome to get his second term, with his secret deals with Russia and his dislike of Israel and his higher taxes and Obamacare and all manner of other craziness.

What is better for America: Romney as president or Obama's second term? Don't try to imagine what could happen in five years, we need to deal with the next four years. Will the next four years be better under Romney or Obama? If your answer is Obama, then you aren't paying attention.


Honestly why should I care?? Voting for Romney is like voting for OBAMA there isnt a difference.

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Tue 06/05/12 08:48 PM

Am I missing something? How is anyone going to "waste" their vote on Ron Paul when he won't even be on the ballot come November?


Keep on watchin FAUX and drinkin their brand of Kool-Aid, they're lookin' out for yalaugh

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Tue 06/05/12 10:18 PM
Edited by Citizen_Joe on Tue 06/05/12 10:19 PM

sigh

Patriot Act is an 11 year old bill,,,signed into Law under BUSH


And written by now VP Joe Biden, in 1995.


I dont know of a war we 'declared' without congressoinal approval,,,

nor do I believe we have been 'sold' to the UN


Of course we have and will be again, once the LOST bill becomes law. In the mean time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15j-g2pigg8



the world exists further than our borders, and further than the original 13 colonies could have predicted or prepared for

the constitution NEEDS growth along with the growth of the world and our nation

The constitution is fine. It's the implementation of it that sucks.


who fills THIS PRESIDENTS white house?




An illegal immigrant.