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Almost forty years ago, the world stood by as Israelis forced 1000 Egyptian POWs to dig their own graves in the Sinai desert and to jump into them before they machine-gunned them down. Terrorists, mass murderers. Do you really want to defend that? My goodness...that is quite shocking. First time reading about that....wow. That is quite difficult to take in That is what makes it even more shocking... |
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I think I saw a movie once were the Nazis did the exact same thing......... That is what makes it even more shocking... There is no evidence of Israel doing anything like Nazi war crimes, mass murders of people who dug their own graves that I ever heard of. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/12/12 02:39 PM
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There is no evidence of Israel doing anything like Nazi war crimes, mass murders of people who dug their own graves that I ever heard of. Well, it was in all the newspapers, or at least it was in Time magazine and in US News and World Report and that story has been verified by a number of senior israeli military officers and reporters. The deeds themselves are deeds of evil people. These same evil people were pulling the strings in Nazi Germany, and now they are pulling the strings in Israel, and even in America. The method of operations are always the same. You can't name them, as in saying... they are "Nazis" or "Jews" because these people always infiltrate the heads of governments and pretend to be something they are not. But you will ALWAYS KNOW THEM BY THEIR DEEDS. They are masters of deceit and manipulation. |
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There is no evidence of Israel doing anything like Nazi war crimes, mass murders of people who dug their own graves that I ever heard of. Well, it was in all the newspapers, or at least it was in Time magazine and in US News and World Report and that story has been verified by a number of senior israeli military officers and reporters. The deeds themselves are deeds of evil people. These same evil people were pulling the strings in Nazi Germany, and now they are pulling the strings in Israel, and even in America. The method of operations are always the same. You can't name them, as in saying... they are "Nazis" or "Jews" because these people always infiltrate the heads of governments and pretend to be something they are not. But you will ALWAYS KNOW THEM BY THEIR DEEDS. They are masters of deceit and manipulation. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/12/12 03:21 PM
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It is well documented Conrad.
 Isn't that the same thing you say when you are trying to convince someone of something? So PROVE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. It was in the papers. Time magazine and in US News and World Report and that story has been verified by a number of senior israeli military officers and reporters. In Denial? It's funny that some of the israelis claim that that never happened. If it happened it would have been all over the newspapers. Well, it was in all the newspapers, or at least it was in Time magazine and in US News and World Report and that story has been verified by a number of senior israeli military officers and reporters. |
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It is well documented Conrad. Isn't that the same thing you say when you are trying to convince someone of something? So PROVE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. It was in the papers. Time magazine and in US News and World Report and that story has been verified by a number of senior israeli military officers and reporters. In Denial? It's funny that some of the israelis claim that that never happened. If it happened it would have been all over the newspapers. Well, it was in all the newspapers, or at least it was in Time magazine and in US News and World Report and that story has been verified by a number of senior israeli military officers and reporters. If you have the citations for any of these many reports I'd like to see them! Sounds fishy to me. What issue of Time or US News? I wonder how no one besides you ever saw such a report. Maybe it was a CoNspIRacy of the fake Muslims again?
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I'm not responding to anyone who asks questions followed by laughing heads.
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s1owhand
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Tue 06/12/12 07:24 PM
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I did not think that you had any credible reference for your claims.
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I did not think that you had any credible reference for your claims.
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I did not think that you had any credible reference for your claims. I am completely open to the truth. The many references I have cited go along with all the official investigations into the attack finding it to be an accidental friendly fire incident. There were missed orders, bad communications, the USS Liberty firing on Israeli vessels and even NSA secretly intercepted Israeli military conversations after the attack where the Israelis clearly (and mistakenly) think they have attacked an Egyptian ship!  It is all even in the Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident |
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I did not think that you had any credible reference for your claims. I am completely open to the truth. The many references I have cited go along with all the official investigations into the attack finding it to be an accidental friendly fire incident. There were missed orders, bad communications, the USS Liberty firing on Israeli vessels and even NSA secretly intercepted Israeli military conversations after the attack where the Israelis clearly (and mistakenly) think they have attacked an Egyptian ship! It is all even in the Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
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I did not think that you had any credible reference for your claims. I am completely open to the truth. The many references I have cited go along with all the official investigations into the attack finding it to be an accidental friendly fire incident. There were missed orders, bad communications, the USS Liberty firing on Israeli vessels and even NSA secretly intercepted Israeli military conversations after the attack where the Israelis clearly (and mistakenly) think they have attacked an Egyptian ship! It is all even in the Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident The U.S.A. also agrees that it was a tragic mistake. The eyewitnesses could only see the attack they cannot explain it. There have been no confessions that the attack was pre-planned and deliberate that I know of. Taking in the totality of the evidence including the eyewitness testimony, errors on the part of Israel and the US, and US surveillance of Israeli communications in which they thought they were striking an Egyptian vessel - without ignoring a thing still leads to the conclusion that it was friendly fire. That is probably why the official investigations reached the same conclusion. Of course since Israel ALWAYS attacks the US and we are mortal enemies then...Oh wait a minute... |
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A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary." It was “one of the classic all-American cover-ups,” said retired Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins. Torpedo hole in USS Liberty “Why would our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own?” Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants Congress to investigate. [Newsday] http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html |
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Here are some quotes taken from a Chicago Tribune article on the attack as well as a discussion on some of these documents.
Steve Forslund, Air Force Intelligence Analyst who was working at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha during the attack: “The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it,” Forslund recalled. “The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag. “The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors.” Forslund said he clearly recalled “the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely.” “He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots’ responses that it didn’t sink.” Forsland, now retired after 26 years in the military, says everybody saw the transcripts corroborating his account of the attack. Other analysts working all over the world independently verify his claims. James Gotcher, was working for the NSA in Vietnam. “It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty,” Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. “Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to ‘complete the job’ and get out of there.” Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of 100 analysts and cryptologists in the Mediterranean island of Crete speaks of the communications his wing intercepted. “There were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack,” Block said. “The pilots said, ‘This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?’ “And [Israeli] ground control came back and said, ‘Yes, follow orders.’” “Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control.” Retired CIA officer, speaking on condition that he not be named discussing a clandestine informant. I had a Libyan naval captain who was listening in that day. [...] He was certain, listening in to the Israeli and American comms [communications], that it was deliberate.” Dwight Porter, the American ambassador to Lebanon: Porter recalled one of the pilots protesting, “But sir, it’s an American ship — I can see the flag!’ To which the ground control responded, ‘Never mind; hit it!’” [...] American diplomat, Andrew Kilgore, the former U.S. ambassador to Qatar, quotes Porter as saying: “Israel was attacking, and they know it’s an American ship.” http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/06/11/uss-liberty-feds-silent-israel-attack-warship-143781/ |
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Here are some quotes taken from a Chicago Tribune article on the attack as well as a discussion on some of these documents. Steve Forslund, Air Force Intelligence Analyst who was working at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha during the attack: “The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it,” Forslund recalled. “The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag. “The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors.” Forslund said he clearly recalled “the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely.” “He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots’ responses that it didn’t sink.” Forsland, now retired after 26 years in the military, says everybody saw the transcripts corroborating his account of the attack. Other analysts working all over the world independently verify his claims. James Gotcher, was working for the NSA in Vietnam. “It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty,” Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. “Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to ‘complete the job’ and get out of there.” Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of 100 analysts and cryptologists in the Mediterranean island of Crete speaks of the communications his wing intercepted. “There were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack,” Block said. “The pilots said, ‘This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?’ “And [Israeli] ground control came back and said, ‘Yes, follow orders.’” “Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control.” Retired CIA officer, speaking on condition that he not be named discussing a clandestine informant. I had a Libyan naval captain who was listening in that day. [...] He was certain, listening in to the Israeli and American comms [communications], that it was deliberate.” Dwight Porter, the American ambassador to Lebanon: Porter recalled one of the pilots protesting, “But sir, it’s an American ship — I can see the flag!’ To which the ground control responded, ‘Never mind; hit it!’” [...] American diplomat, Andrew Kilgore, the former U.S. ambassador to Qatar, quotes Porter as saying: “Israel was attacking, and they know it’s an American ship.” Yes indeed. There was a great deal of confusion over this mission. No doubt. The Israeli planes attacked the USS Liberty. The USS Liberty fired on Israeli craft. It is also indisputable that the Israelis and Americans were allies. It was a horrific day for everyone involved in the tragic friendly fire accident. |
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Here are some quotes taken from a Chicago Tribune article on the attack as well as a discussion on some of these documents. Steve Forslund, Air Force Intelligence Analyst who was working at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha during the attack: “The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it,” Forslund recalled. “The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag. “The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors.” Forslund said he clearly recalled “the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely.” “He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots’ responses that it didn’t sink.” Forsland, now retired after 26 years in the military, says everybody saw the transcripts corroborating his account of the attack. Other analysts working all over the world independently verify his claims. James Gotcher, was working for the NSA in Vietnam. “It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty,” Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. “Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to ‘complete the job’ and get out of there.” Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of 100 analysts and cryptologists in the Mediterranean island of Crete speaks of the communications his wing intercepted. “There were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack,” Block said. “The pilots said, ‘This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?’ “And [Israeli] ground control came back and said, ‘Yes, follow orders.’” “Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control.” Retired CIA officer, speaking on condition that he not be named discussing a clandestine informant. I had a Libyan naval captain who was listening in that day. [...] He was certain, listening in to the Israeli and American comms [communications], that it was deliberate.” Dwight Porter, the American ambassador to Lebanon: Porter recalled one of the pilots protesting, “But sir, it’s an American ship — I can see the flag!’ To which the ground control responded, ‘Never mind; hit it!’” [...] American diplomat, Andrew Kilgore, the former U.S. ambassador to Qatar, quotes Porter as saying: “Israel was attacking, and they know it’s an American ship.” Yes indeed. There was a great deal of confusion over this mission. No doubt. The Israeli planes attacked the USS Liberty. The USS Liberty fired on Israeli craft. It is also indisputable that the Israelis and Americans were allies. It was a horrific day for everyone involved in the tragic friendly fire accident. In all your wiki searches have you been able to find one sailor who was abourd the USS Liberty who claimed that maybe it was an accident? |
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Here are some quotes taken from a Chicago Tribune article on the attack as well as a discussion on some of these documents. Steve Forslund, Air Force Intelligence Analyst who was working at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha during the attack: “The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it,” Forslund recalled. “The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag. “The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors.” Forslund said he clearly recalled “the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely.” “He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots’ responses that it didn’t sink.” Forsland, now retired after 26 years in the military, says everybody saw the transcripts corroborating his account of the attack. Other analysts working all over the world independently verify his claims. James Gotcher, was working for the NSA in Vietnam. “It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty,” Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. “Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to ‘complete the job’ and get out of there.” Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of 100 analysts and cryptologists in the Mediterranean island of Crete speaks of the communications his wing intercepted. “There were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack,” Block said. “The pilots said, ‘This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?’ “And [Israeli] ground control came back and said, ‘Yes, follow orders.’” “Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control.” Retired CIA officer, speaking on condition that he not be named discussing a clandestine informant. I had a Libyan naval captain who was listening in that day. [...] He was certain, listening in to the Israeli and American comms [communications], that it was deliberate.” Dwight Porter, the American ambassador to Lebanon: Porter recalled one of the pilots protesting, “But sir, it’s an American ship — I can see the flag!’ To which the ground control responded, ‘Never mind; hit it!’” [...] American diplomat, Andrew Kilgore, the former U.S. ambassador to Qatar, quotes Porter as saying: “Israel was attacking, and they know it’s an American ship.” Yes indeed. There was a great deal of confusion over this mission. No doubt. The Israeli planes attacked the USS Liberty. The USS Liberty fired on Israeli craft. It is also indisputable that the Israelis and Americans were allies. It was a horrific day for everyone involved in the tragic friendly fire accident. In all your wiki searches have you been able to find one sailor who was abourd the USS Liberty who claimed that maybe it was an accident?  Of course not! All the sailors can say is that they were attacked. They cannot say "why" they were attacked! That is the reason why all the missed communications, inaccurate positioning, firing of the USS Liberty guns on Israeli craft and intercepted Israeli communications are important. And those facts illustrate why it was a friendly fire accident. (And of course it is obvious that Israel had no incentive to harm one of their best and only allies) Read all about it in the Wikipedia article on the USS Liberty that I have quoted. It has references to ALL the relevant material not just one side...
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So basicly all the survivors agree that after hoisting up the US Flag three times and haveing it shot down every time led them to believe that Isael knew it was a US flagged ship?
unmarked planes rockets machine gun fire then napalm and then torpedo boats and no one saw the flag or even offered terms for a surrender? Come on man not even a child would believe the absurd story that it was a tragic mistake. Your laughing Icons shame the dead sailors sir, I wish you would take this topic seriously. |
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(And of course it is obvious that Israel had no incentive to harm one of their best and only allies) No, its not obvious. They knew who they were attacking. The people who gave the orders knew why they were attacking. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 06/14/12 05:03 PM
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So basicly all the survivors agree that after hoisting up the US Flag three times and haveing it shot down every time led them to believe that Isael knew it was a US flagged ship? unmarked planes rockets machine gun fire then napalm and then torpedo boats and no one saw the flag or even offered terms for a surrender? Come on man not even a child would believe the absurd story that it was a tragic mistake. Your laughing Icons shame the dead sailors sir, I wish you would take this topic seriously. Yep his laughing heads are a sign that he is in the corner. He can only laugh and jeer and repeat the same tired old Bull crap (that no intelligent person really believes) over and over. |
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