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Topic: Obama declares support for gay marriage
s1owhand's photo
Sat 05/12/12 02:37 AM

besides california, Im not sure that the other states are necessarily majority opposed to 'marriage equality'


It doesn't matter what the majority thinks in these battleground
states. It only matters if the candidates can get enough votes.
Some of these states Obama barely beat McCain and Palin for crying
out loud in the last election. Now he decides to stick his finger
in the eyes of large swaths of voters on the gay marriage issue?

If it costs him a few thousand votes in some of these battleground
states it could cost Obama the election.

But you know - it is so vitally important that gay relationships
be called "marriages" just like religious heterosexual marriages
because they are no different - except they do not involve a man
and a woman. Other than that they are just the same...well except
that they cannot produce biological children from both parents...
but except for those two things they are perfectly identical...

They just have never been called "marriages" before. But neither
have close friendships or committed siblings or people who love
and are devoted to the well being of their pets - these have never
been called marriages either - and shacking up and caregiving and
and polyamory and baby-mommas have not been called marriages either
but that does not mean they are not also "marriages"!!


mightymoe's photo
Sat 05/12/12 10:51 AM
interesting article...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/obamas_marriage_masquerade.html#ixzz1uZuuAA8D

msharmony's photo
Sat 05/12/12 10:55 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/12/12 10:57 AM


besides california, Im not sure that the other states are necessarily majority opposed to 'marriage equality'


It doesn't matter what the majority thinks in these battleground
states. It only matters if the candidates can get enough votes.
Some of these states Obama barely beat McCain and Palin for crying
out loud in the last election. Now he decides to stick his finger
in the eyes of large swaths of voters on the gay marriage issue?

If it costs him a few thousand votes in some of these battleground
states it could cost Obama the election.

But you know - it is so vitally important that gay relationships
be called "marriages" just like religious heterosexual marriages
because they are no different - except they do not involve a man
and a woman. Other than that they are just the same...well except
that they cannot produce biological children from both parents...
but except for those two things they are perfectly identical...

They just have never been called "marriages" before. But neither
have close friendships or committed siblings or people who love
and are devoted to the well being of their pets - these have never
been called marriages either - and shacking up and caregiving and
and polyamory and baby-mommas have not been called marriages either
but that does not mean they are not also "marriages"!!




pandoras box will be opened,, and then we can look forward to the global move to remove all labels and just be numbers because we are 'all the same',, no need to categorize people into genders,,

because one is born with no testicles or penis, is no reason you should have the right to decide they are male if they feel like a female


no need to have family labels,,,mom and dad may also be cousin or sibling , making me and my siblings a number of different things IN ADDITION to being siblings


,,,I feel its inevitable amidst the wonderful intentions of people to insist everyone is equal and therefore 'the same',,,,,


why even have names, we can be human #1, human#2

names imply some cultural difference between us and that is not a difference that should matter anymore than our anatomy or familial status,,,,any group that lives together in love is a family,,,,,



mightymoe's photo
Sat 05/12/12 11:00 AM
http://azizonomics.com/2012/05/10/obama-embraces-gay-marriage/


Unlike virtually every mainstream media commentator or political talking head I don’t care about Obama embracing gay marriage.

Now I know that a lot of people on the left — disappointed by his banker-friendly, PATRIOT Act-renewing, indefinite-detention-enabling, American-citizen-assassinating regime — are searching for any reason to vote for him, and plausible reason to defend his record. That’s the nature of tribal politics — “anti-war” Democrats will happily protest the Bush war machine, but they seem quiet when Obama is the one using drone strikes to assassinate American citizens without trial. I don’t like Mitt Romney either, but that’s not the point.

Even for those in favour of gay marriage, let’s not forget that Obama is capable of doing absolutely zero to change the law. Want to introduce a Federal law allowing homosexual couples to marry? Good luck getting it through the Republican Congress.

I’m in favour of consenting adults being able to do whatever they like with each other, but the fact that the current push for gay marriage is supported by Lloyd Blankfein and Goldman Sachs makes me very suspicious (does he want to sell securitised gay marriage debt?).

It just seems like an easy issue for Obama to posture on, while trampling the Constitution into the dirt.

When it comes to civil liberties, Obama has always talked a good game, and then acted more authoritarian than Bush. He talked about an end to the abuses of the Bush years and an open and transparent government, yet extended the Fourth-Amendment-shredding Patriot Act, empowered the TSA to produce naked body scans and engage in humiliatingly sexual pat-downs, signed indefinite detention of American citizens into law, claimed and exercised the power to assassinate American citizens without trial, and aggressively prosecuted whistleblowers. Under his watch the U.S. army even produced a document planning for the reeducation of political activists in internment camps. Reeducation camps? In America? And some on the left are still crowing that talking about being in favour of gay marriage makes him “pro-civil liberties”? Is this a joke?

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