Wish I had a particular example of how some have in mind. I realize too that this is an extremely poor way to follow a point, granted I never said that I was personally discouraged.

I absolutely want the truth up front.

If you want to just be my friend, that's fine. But don't muddy our friendship up with other crap. Don't blur the lines.

If you just want sex, that's fine. Either I'll be interested or I won't, but if I'm not, you shouldn't be trying to lie to me just to get some. There are other girls who will be interested, so don't be a d*uche and lie to me.

If you are interested in seeing if something will develop relationship wise, if you want to date me, fine. We will go from there.

And that, for me, is the bottom line.

What you're saying doesn't make a lot of sense then, especially since you can't even follow up with an example.

I feel the same way on all accounts. I want to know what they want upfront. There's no need to lie no matter what it is.

I think it works both ways.
I cannot imagine ANYONE wanting to be lied to!!!
I don't want a woman lying to me, so I don't lie to them.
as far as deal breakers.....everything comes out in its place.
With complete honesty.
Everyone has something in their life they should tell up front.
I don't care who ya are.
I don't wait to tell anything.
If she doesn't want anything to do with me after she knows the truth....I'm ok with that.
Just aint gonna hold anything back, let someone get involved, then have it all blow up cause one of us didn't share something upfront.
As far as lyin about just wanting sex....not an issue for me.
Sex is sex.....I would rather wait and have some mutual feelings develop before being imtimate!!! It means sooo much more to me then!!
JMO

Well, you did want an example of something I didn't state to begin with (being personally discouraged).
Personal examples are poor basis anyway due to bias, but here goes: when I realized I was attracted to an ex's friend and told her, the response was very much far from appreciating the honesty. Or when a friend was attracted to me and I let her know that by no means do I have any feelings for her (I didn't want to lead on a false possibility), she got upset at that and has since stopped talking altogether as friends.

Truth can occasionally hurt and many people can't actually deal with it. I mentioned "many women" because the OP asked about women, but this isn't even a gender thing as just as many guys are the same. Of course, for either, this is mainly those who aren't all that mature (yet).

No, they like to see who you are right away so they don't have to waste their time on losers.

As a practical matter, I wish they would simply say, "Oh, by the way, if any sort of relationship develops out of this, I will feel obligated to change everything about you" at the first sign of any compatibility whatsoever. That would save everybody a lot of time.

Truth is never a bad thing
It's in the delivery
Tell me I look good in your fav jeans if I'm blimping in the ones I got on
Don't lie to me about how you feel
Chances are I'll know it anyway

Put it this way i like to hear the truth up front and i bet most guys would too, so why wouldn't women? i am always strait forward but my self i love to get to know a lady first i don't just jump in bed thats just me, i know some guys don't give a crap and just use lady's to me they don't respect a lady i believe honesty is best and if they don't except a person being honest then they not worth the bother:) i mean theres a lot of girls out there i hate lier's and phonies too i bet most of us does so be truthful they will love you a lot more and won't be fake either :)

well said right on bro cheers i agree :)

well krupa up front you don't got to be rude you can say i think you look way better in the other pants still up front , your family is wild but i will get use to it :) as for kissing like her mom that is just yuk bro lollll that means you kissed her mom before you dating the gal? lolllllland it takes two to kiss not 1 if you any good you just teach her lolllll say try this .. get with the flow krupa thats not like you cheers

This can go both ways. I have landed in the friend zone a few times. I had assumed when I asked the women out for drinks, dinner, and eventually even away for the weekend, that was considered "dating". Then after becoming close and caring for these women I am told, "I don't think of you that way" or "It will ruin our friendship".

What is a guy suppose to do at that point. My favorite is when they tell me I should get out there and meet someone, while they still want me around as a "friend" all the time. What women is going to want to date a man who spends a lot of time with a female friend.

If I pursue others and stop spending time with them I get accused of only being their friend to sleep with them. If I continue spending time with them what chance to I have finding someone that wants more than friendship?

Tricky really...
there is the truth and then there is just flat out being rude. There are nicer ways of telling the girl the pants look bad on her.
I do agree that the truth is the only way to go if you want to get anywhere with her. If not..eventually they truth will come out and then you are sunk.

i always strait up myself lolllllll i told girls in past that certain jeans look better then others they thanked me but i don't tell them in a rude way i also been told my butt looks better in certain pants too lolll so i wear them type now lolllll go's both ways :) best to be honest i agree my friend

Apparently, the problem is....you people ain't very good at lying. Not your fault....it just takes practice.

To think that lies don't have practical application is like telling a chameleon to "Just be yourself" or telling a peacock to "tone it down".

Lies work. They can be used for good things too. Not every lie is bad.....just as not every truth is good.

im very upfront n strait forward if women cant handle it they need to move on say what ya mean n mean what y say so that way there is no misunderstanding oh n the whole leadin a person thing on is well childish

i couldnt agree with you anymore on what you just said seein as that happens to me an aweful lot i can relate to that tireed of the gamers i come across

Let's test this honesty theory....

This is the truth....

I love my woman so much. She is my smile and she makes it worth it to get up in the morning and try to earn my way to her. She is worth all the time I have spent alone. Cause I just refuse to settle for less....and she is so much more. I am as happy as I can remember being cause my women make my life good. (Soufie, Black Betty, Chatka, Blondie, Mom, Renee', Tresa and Judi)

This is the lie....

I wanna just use Soufie for sex. Nasty, sweaty, passionate sex with kisses that suck your soul into mine and curl both of our toes. Sex that leaves us panting in the cool night air as candle light flickers across our bodies. Smiling in exhaustion and savoring the taste of that kiss.


So...fess up ladies

Truth or lie?