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CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) — A Marine who criticized President Barack Obama on his Facebook page has committed misconduct and should be dismissed, a military board recommended late Thursday.
The Marine Corps administrative board made the decision after a daylong hearing at Camp Pendleton for Sgt. Gary Stein. The board also recommended that Stein be given an other-then-honorable discharge. That would mean Stein would lose his benefits and would not be allowed on any military base. The board's recommendations go to a general who will either accept or deny them. If the general disagrees with the board, the case could go to the secretary of the Navy. Stein's lawyers argued that the 9-year Marine, whose service was to end in four months, was expressing his personal views and exercising his First Amendment rights. "We're truly surprised and disappointed but it was an honor to fight for a hero like Sgt. Stein and every other Marine's right to speak freely," Stein's defense attorney Marine Capt. James Baehr said. Stein addressed board members during Thursday's hearing, tell them he loved the Marine Corps and wanted to re-enlist, Baehr said. During the hearing, the prosecutor, Capt. John Torresala, said Stein went as far as superimposing images of Obama's face on a poster for the movie "Jackass." Torresala argued that Stein's behavior repeatedly violated Pentagon policy that limits the free speech rights of service members, and said he should be dismissed after ignoring warnings from his superiors about his postings. http://news.yahoo.com/military-board-says-marine-dismissed-060905024.html The government submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on the "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles," the prosecutor said. Torresala also said anti-Obama comments by Stein that were posted on a Facebook page used by Marine meteorologists were prejudicial to good order and discipline, and could have influenced junior Marines. Stein's security clearance was taken away and he has no future in the Marine Corps because he can't do his job without that clearance, Torresala said. "The Marine Corps community views the command's lack of action as some kind of knock on good order and discipline," Torresala said. "Our own people are questioning why this Marine is not being held accountable." Baehr said during the hearing that prosecutors were trying to dredge up any damaging information they could against Stein. "There is no basis in this case," Baehr said. "Sgt. Stein has broken no law." Baehr expressed after the hearing that he hoped that the recommendation would be rejected by the general, saying the case will go forward. "The issues are too important for this to end today," he said. The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief. Pentagon directives say military personnel in uniform cannot sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement. Commissioned officers also may not use contemptuous words against senior officials. |
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IM surprised by the lawyers statement
employment regulations and laws are two seperate things you dont have to break 'laws' for an employer to terminate you,,,, |
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military is not an "employer"
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Edited by
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Fri 04/06/12 06:24 PM
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Here is his statement.
Community Sgt. Gary Stein stated that he would not follow orders from the president if those orders included detaining U.S. citizens, disarming them or doing anything else that he believes would violate their constitutional rights. That is exactly what he signed up for. He swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. Not play gopher for Barry. Read it for yourself. The kid is being railroaded by Hussein. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=351898708193528&id=100001202064745&ref=notif¬if_t=feed_comment_reply#!/pages/We-Support-Sgt-Gary-Stein/195550230557464 |
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Its a non existing link, King Barry made sure it was removed. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Fri 04/06/12 06:36 PM
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We Support Sgt. Gary Stein
Wednesday I will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils. Democrats and Republicans have proven themselves unworthy of our votes. This election, I am voting outside the two parties. Will you join me? In the past, an independent had very little ch...ance getting onto the general election ballot. In today’s current political climate, this once arduous task seems surmountable. A duopoly is a two party dictatorship where both sides appear to be separate, yet truly represent the same agenda. Here in America, the Republican and Democrats have proven themselves to be a clear example of a duopoly. And this fact has made Americans tired of the political farce that comes into play every four years. The American duopoly serves the corporate interests of the “elected” person who seats the White House. As Americans become aware of the role corporations and special interests play in policy decisions on Capitol Hill, the distain for both parties is changing the methods by which voters want to play the political game. If the American public wants to see real change, they are going to have to change the way they choose a candidate. They will have to make the radical leap toward bold, new ideals and not fall for the lies that have ensured the proven tradition of power grabbing by a small Elite in this country. A move toward taking back our Republic will come this year with the elections in November. Who is placed into the seat of President will dictate the fate of our nation. With such a weight on our shoulders, we must not make the same mistakes of the past. Catatonically buying into the two party systems obviously will not affect the real change we so desperately need. https://www.facebook.com/pages/No-More-Voting-For-The-Lesser-Of-Two-Evils/306638889406223See More No More Voting For The Lesser Of Two Evils In the past, an independent had very little chance getting onto the general election ballot. In today’s current political climate, this once arduous task seems surmountable. A duopoly is a two party dictatorship where both sides appear to be separate, yet truly represent the same agenda. Here in Am... Page: 261 like this Shall we invite our President and our Congressmen to join us? http://www.wereadtheconstitution.com/ |
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military is not an "employer" thats odd my relative just filled in an application in which the past employment options included military employment, as well as non military employment that person that pays you for a job, that organization, that community,, is your 'employer' |
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his is off his FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=351898708193528&id=100001202064745&ref=notif¬if_t=feed_comment_reply#!/pages/Gary-Stein/161097993929079 In short, it is unlawful to obey an unlawful order. We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln In response to Secretary of Defense Panetta’s declaration before the Senate Armed Services Committee that he and President Obama look not to the Congress for authorization to bomb Syria but to NATO and the United Nations, ...as it was with the situation in Libyra, Armed Forces Tea Party is full support of House Concurrent Resolution 107: Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution. Any order to the military from the President to use offensive force without the prior authorization from Congress is an unlawful order under Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution. We can not let our elected officials trample on the very document to which defends the right of each American citizen and is the foundation of this country. With our nation 15.4Trillion dollars in debt, it is irresponsible of the President and the Sec. of Defense to dig our nation deeper into debt with an unconstitutional military offensive in Syria or any other country. We respectfully request that President Obama and Secretary of Defense Panetta apologize to the American people, for these comments that are a direct attack on the Constitution of the United States. Further more we ask the members of the Congress to approve and move forward with H.C.R 107. Armed Forces Tea Party Armed Forces Tea Party and Gary Stein in no way reflects the views and opinions of the United States Military or the DOD |
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The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief.
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The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief. Being that the commander in chief or in Barry's case fraud in chief is also part of the armed services so by policy he too should be fired for comments. |
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his is off his FB page. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=351898708193528&id=100001202064745&ref=notif¬if_t=feed_comment_reply#!/pages/Gary-Stein/161097993929079 Still a non existent page |
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The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief. Being that the commander in chief or in Barry's case fraud in chief is also part of the armed services so by policy he too should be fired for comments. what comments would those be? |
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his is off his FB page. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=351898708193528&id=100001202064745&ref=notif¬if_t=feed_comment_reply#!/pages/Gary-Stein/161097993929079 Still a non existent page If you have a fb page search Gary Stein. |
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his is off his FB page. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=351898708193528&id=100001202064745&ref=notif¬if_t=feed_comment_reply#!/pages/Gary-Stein/161097993929079 Still a non existent page If you have a fb page search Gary Stein. I'll try that, thanks. |
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lets boycot the military everywhere
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CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) — A Marine who criticized President Barack Obama on his Facebook page has committed misconduct and should be dismissed, a military board recommended late Thursday. The Marine Corps administrative board made the decision after a daylong hearing at Camp Pendleton for Sgt. Gary Stein. The board also recommended that Stein be given an other-then-honorable discharge. That would mean Stein would lose his benefits and would not be allowed on any military base. The board's recommendations go to a general who will either accept or deny them. If the general disagrees with the board, the case could go to the secretary of the Navy. Stein's lawyers argued that the 9-year Marine, whose service was to end in four months, was expressing his personal views and exercising his First Amendment rights. "We're truly surprised and disappointed but it was an honor to fight for a hero like Sgt. Stein and every other Marine's right to speak freely," Stein's defense attorney Marine Capt. James Baehr said. Stein addressed board members during Thursday's hearing, tell them he loved the Marine Corps and wanted to re-enlist, Baehr said. During the hearing, the prosecutor, Capt. John Torresala, said Stein went as far as superimposing images of Obama's face on a poster for the movie "Jackass." Torresala argued that Stein's behavior repeatedly violated Pentagon policy that limits the free speech rights of service members, and said he should be dismissed after ignoring warnings from his superiors about his postings. http://news.yahoo.com/military-board-says-marine-dismissed-060905024.html The government submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on the "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles," the prosecutor said. Torresala also said anti-Obama comments by Stein that were posted on a Facebook page used by Marine meteorologists were prejudicial to good order and discipline, and could have influenced junior Marines. Stein's security clearance was taken away and he has no future in the Marine Corps because he can't do his job without that clearance, Torresala said. "The Marine Corps community views the command's lack of action as some kind of knock on good order and discipline," Torresala said. "Our own people are questioning why this Marine is not being held accountable." Baehr said during the hearing that prosecutors were trying to dredge up any damaging information they could against Stein. "There is no basis in this case," Baehr said. "Sgt. Stein has broken no law." Baehr expressed after the hearing that he hoped that the recommendation would be rejected by the general, saying the case will go forward. "The issues are too important for this to end today," he said. The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief. Pentagon directives say military personnel in uniform cannot sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement. Commissioned officers also may not use contemptuous words against senior officials. Of course, King Obama HATES the military and god forbid they tell people what they really think of the grand poobah. |
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lets boycot the military everywhere 
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The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief. The majority of the men and women in the military have no respect for King Barry. Every service member I have talked to have said so in terms that wern't as nice as what this guy said. |
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The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief. The majority of the men and women in the military have no respect for King Barry. Every service member I have talked to have said so in terms that wern't as nice as what this guy said. often times,, we attract what we are no surprise as the service members I know have plenty of respect for President OBama,,, |
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The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief. The majority of the men and women in the military have no respect for King Barry. Every service member I have talked to have said so in terms that wern't as nice as what this guy said. often times,, we attract what we are no surprise as the service members I know have plenty of respect for President OBama,,, You must not know many at all then. |
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