....that drive a man crazy:

1. Game-playing/manufacturing drama.

(I'm tired of dudes saying its always us. When you bring your exes into the picture I'd say that treads the line to drama. Just one example.)

2. Expecting the man to pay for everything.

(I always offer if I can, especially if its past the first few dates)

3. “Wanting to know ‘where the relationship is going’ before he’s ready to say, or before he knows himself”

(Most men haven't a clue what they want anyway. They'll never admit it unless we finally make a decision.)

4. Being controlling.

(Men are super controlling when they never call.)

5. Not getting enough “guy time.”

(Most ladies here can put up with mind-numbing sports activities.)

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What are your thoughts?

Yes guys do not like this..however, I must be a strange woman because I just despise a needy clingy man who wants these things from me.

That is probably true of many guys but it is not exactly right with me.

You're the exception.

I only play games under the.....covers....
I don't mind paying...
I don't mind a woman paying...
I don't mind sharing expense.....
I ALWAYS know where I am going....and I don't mind being asked...
But I will give an honest answer, so she needs to be prepared to hear the truth....either way.....
I don't believe in Control in a relationship....it should be mutual in all aspects.......
I can be with her when she wants to be with me....and be with the guys when she wants to be with the girls.....
Personal time is vital to a relationship......
I only watch Hockey on TV.....
But with any sport....
I'd rather go watch in person....
With her if she likes to go!!!
I am known to be a lil crazy....
But not much makes me that way!!!!!

I have zero-tolerance for drama and games. All my previous relationships have ended on good terms. I haven't talked to or seen any of my exes since we decided to part ways.

Money isn't sh** to me. I don't mind paying at all.

I love the one I'm with. I know what I want and I enjoy talking to her about where things are going.

Men are super controlling when they never call? Makes no sense to me.

I LOLed at number 5, I not a big fan of guys. Nothing against them, they're just a different kind of a**hole than me is all. :)

1. No one likes games. Least of all me. I am serious and honest and ask the same in return.

2. This is not an issue with me. If I invite you somewhere, I expect to pay. Now it would bother me if I was invited someplace and expected to pay.

3. I pretty much always know and have little problem telling you. This ranks up there with game playing oftentimes to me.

4. I'm not controlling and don't bother with those who are. Control freaks are annoying and just make everything unpleasant.

5. What the hell is guy time? I have never understood this concept. I can understand "ME" time, but that works differently for different people.


I don't see this list applying to a great many guys, although it will apply to a lot more than in a perfect world it shouldn't.

I think most people dont really like the games,
Many men were raised to pick up the bill and feel offended

So... if I call you, and we were dating, that wouldn't scare ya off even a little bit? You would like it? Men have the control when it comes to this. Explain why you think it makes no sense?

If we were dating, that would mean I like you. How would you calling scare me off? Why wouldn't I want you to call me? I would expect you to call me, just as I would be expected to call you.

But, I was thinking more like if someone is controlling they would call obsessively, if they do not call, they're not being obsessive and controlling.

brava,,,,

Yeah its not me at all. I guess if I was interested enough I would call. And if you don't pick up or get back to me, then I assume you've moved on or whatever. Its cool. I'm definitely not obsessive with the calling thing. Not a fan of phone tag so much.

1. Everyone hates that. Except for the people that do it.

2. I don't know any women that expect the man to pay for everything. However, it's customary that the person who does the asking out, pays. At least at first.

3. I always assume it's going my way. (Yeah, I've been wrong)

4. I don't worry about controlling other people. I have a hard enough time controlling myself.

5. I need a lot of "me time" so he can have all the guy time he wants.

Audrey, are you dating guys in Los Angeles again? Guys in Los Angeles are different than guys in the rest of the country. I don't recommend dating them.

ive been thru enough in relationships to know that i havent a clue what drives me crazy anymore and i really have no desire to find out

No one likes drama or games.

I offer to pay as well.

I like honesty. If they're not able to talk about this, then I'll move on.

Men can be controlling as well.

I definitely need me time, so I'm fine with this.

Looking at hhis list it is not what I ahave heard for the most part.

! (no games .drama) would be on the list but doubt it would ve first five. Keep in mind most of the people I had contact with were younger and leas dramatic lifestyles so in some ways liked the chase.

2) Expecting the man to pay everything would maybe be number five. Wspecially if you qualify that if the woman wants a lot of say in how money is spent or for tjat matter mis-spent. My experience if you can learn to live on what a guy makes it is not as often a problem as a younger man or retired man not being able to make all the bills for two or more (lids) on his own.

3) Knowing where the relationship is going is probably number one. Even the most decisive man still is not a mind reader mor can they tell the future. Most men in my experience don't "need " to talk it to deathh.


4) As far as being controling I think that is probably the second or third one. Especially if the woman treats him like their kid because the fine line in concern and mother a guy which most detest is easy to trip over. more men than you might think actually like a woman who can and will take control sometimes. It is good if it is in regards to things they don't feel confident about but the woman that uses a velvet hammer to make her adjustments is appreciated in a big way. Especially if it allws him to focus on some of the things he likes or really loves such as a challengeing job.

5 ")Gguy Time" is not even in the top ten with most of the men I talked too. Most see more than enough "guys" at work and unless they are avid sports enthusists generatly what they get is enough.

There are some things that were CONSITENTLY on the list.

What often happened was a mate being taken for granted and "bottom listed". Everything else was always befor them. The family, even extended or absent family, pets, job, friends, the neighbors, the church, the house, a car, TV, thier personal beutification, hobbies, I can't tell you the number of time that men said I am just the guy who carrys the bags now.

A mate who made time as a partner; wanted to actually be with him was highly coveted.. Not just useing him to do "Honey Do's" but time doing something relaxing together. A woman who made time and a minimal effort to suggest and participate, especially in a tactile way was huge. A woman who was disinterested, distant, refused any effort made them want to spit nails; then eventually feel conquered. Can't tell you how many times a guy has told me his partner actually suggested they "go bother somebody else", or would not, or did not notice when they were obviously cheating. They only got mad about it when the guy wanted to take his half of the wallet away.

Anther was a mate who never let them feel like they appreciated they were doing the best they could as a mere mortal. Most guys like feeling like a Hero now and then and get tired of hearing how they are a near zero as far as theri mates, her friends, family expectations. Guys hate it when the person they are busting their backs for day in day out are not loyal.

Surpriseingly rarely did I have a guy report that absece of "good sex" was in the top five and often even not in the topten list. I had spouse that were willing to come to counselling to try and save relationships where any sexual co tact was rare if not non-existent. Many would complain that there was no affection and romance non exisxtent but they would jump though hoops pretty fast if met halfway.

Last but not least was Mates who nanufactured problems in their minds. Jealousy, Hypocondria, or self induced addictions were frequent contenders for guys want ing to "throw in the towel". ,They didn't mind staying through thick or thin sickness or real health problems but spouse that just freamed up issues when there wasn't any was pretty much the last straw.

Keep in mind these same issues are not necessarily Gender specific and I had female spouse that voiced the same complaints so I am thinking it is more about personality types than gender..

Errr, I think at this point Ruth I'm saving myself for Matt Damon when he's done having all those kids.

If anything, I’m probably guilty of n3 only because I’m not one of those people that feel comfortable casually (and platonically) dating more than one person at a time.

grr another guy hatein thread