Topic: Voter ID becomes law in Pennsylvania
Seakolony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:45 PM






the more i read this stuff, the more i realize how ignorant democrats are altogether...i really see nothing wrong with this bill, and every state should require an ID to vote.

someone tell me how this is wrong.

why would it be ok for non-citizens to vote in our elections?
why is voter fraud good?
dosen't any democrat want a fair and honest election?


why would it be ok for legal citizens who do not have photo ids or whose id do not match their current resident during an election cycle to have to through added expense and effort to obtain one, and possibly a birth certificate which is required to get the id as well?


that is against the law... your id is supposed to show where you live..



what is against the law? having an id you paid for that doesnt display your current id?

I doubt it.


it makes sense to update it if you will be needing an ID for something, but its not illegal to have moved and not updated an id

it just excludes you from being able to present it as ID anymore,,,,


yes it is.... i know people that have gotten tickets for it...look it up




you get a ticket for driving without a valid id,, not for HAVING an invalid one,,,


In the State of Florida it is against law to move and not change your address within 10 days of your move.......

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:46 PM







the more i read this stuff, the more i realize how ignorant democrats are altogether...i really see nothing wrong with this bill, and every state should require an ID to vote.

someone tell me how this is wrong.

why would it be ok for non-citizens to vote in our elections?
why is voter fraud good?
dosen't any democrat want a fair and honest election?


why would it be ok for legal citizens who do not have photo ids or whose id do not match their current resident during an election cycle to have to through added expense and effort to obtain one, and possibly a birth certificate which is required to get the id as well?


that is against the law... your id is supposed to show where you live..



what is against the law? having an id you paid for that doesnt display your current id?

I doubt it.


it makes sense to update it if you will be needing an ID for something, but its not illegal to have moved and not updated an id

it just excludes you from being able to present it as ID anymore,,,,


yes it is.... i know people that have gotten tickets for it...look it up




you get a ticket for driving without a valid id,, not for HAVING an invalid one,,,


In the State of Florida it is against law to move and not change your address within 10 days of your move.......


i think it's a month in texas...

oh, by the way seak....drool flowers love waving

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:49 PM







the more i read this stuff, the more i realize how ignorant democrats are altogether...i really see nothing wrong with this bill, and every state should require an ID to vote.

someone tell me how this is wrong.

why would it be ok for non-citizens to vote in our elections?
why is voter fraud good?
dosen't any democrat want a fair and honest election?


why would it be ok for legal citizens who do not have photo ids or whose id do not match their current resident during an election cycle to have to through added expense and effort to obtain one, and possibly a birth certificate which is required to get the id as well?


that is against the law... your id is supposed to show where you live..



what is against the law? having an id you paid for that doesnt display your current id?

I doubt it.


it makes sense to update it if you will be needing an ID for something, but its not illegal to have moved and not updated an id

it just excludes you from being able to present it as ID anymore,,,,


yes it is.... i know people that have gotten tickets for it...look it up




you get a ticket for driving without a valid id,, not for HAVING an invalid one,,,


In the State of Florida it is against law to move and not change your address within 10 days of your move.......


really? which id's?
what is the penalty?

can you point me to this law online?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:52 PM








the more i read this stuff, the more i realize how ignorant democrats are altogether...i really see nothing wrong with this bill, and every state should require an ID to vote.

someone tell me how this is wrong.

why would it be ok for non-citizens to vote in our elections?
why is voter fraud good?
dosen't any democrat want a fair and honest election?


why would it be ok for legal citizens who do not have photo ids or whose id do not match their current resident during an election cycle to have to through added expense and effort to obtain one, and possibly a birth certificate which is required to get the id as well?


that is against the law... your id is supposed to show where you live..



what is against the law? having an id you paid for that doesnt display your current id?

I doubt it.


it makes sense to update it if you will be needing an ID for something, but its not illegal to have moved and not updated an id

it just excludes you from being able to present it as ID anymore,,,,


yes it is.... i know people that have gotten tickets for it...look it up




you get a ticket for driving without a valid id,, not for HAVING an invalid one,,,


In the State of Florida it is against law to move and not change your address within 10 days of your move.......


really? which id's?
what is the penalty?

can you point me to this law online?


http://www.ehow.com/how_7709644_change-address-texas-id.html

Seakolony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:52 PM








the more i read this stuff, the more i realize how ignorant democrats are altogether...i really see nothing wrong with this bill, and every state should require an ID to vote.

someone tell me how this is wrong.

why would it be ok for non-citizens to vote in our elections?
why is voter fraud good?
dosen't any democrat want a fair and honest election?


why would it be ok for legal citizens who do not have photo ids or whose id do not match their current resident during an election cycle to have to through added expense and effort to obtain one, and possibly a birth certificate which is required to get the id as well?


that is against the law... your id is supposed to show where you live..



what is against the law? having an id you paid for that doesnt display your current id?

I doubt it.


it makes sense to update it if you will be needing an ID for something, but its not illegal to have moved and not updated an id

it just excludes you from being able to present it as ID anymore,,,,


yes it is.... i know people that have gotten tickets for it...look it up




you get a ticket for driving without a valid id,, not for HAVING an invalid one,,,


In the State of Florida it is against law to move and not change your address within 10 days of your move.......


i think it's a month in texas...

oh, by the way seak....drool flowers love waving


Howdy Moe!!!Yep Texas is 30 days and only costs 11 dollars to do an address change........Florida is ten days and 54 dollarsfrown
:wink:

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:53 PM
do you have an ID MS? seems like they would have told you this...

TJN's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:54 PM
Edited by TJN on Thu 03/15/12 04:56 PM
How many more excuses can be made? State lawmakers get elected by the people of the state vote them in. Here in WI a big issue was voter ID. That's one of the reasons these officials got elected and they passed a voter ID law here. Now I'll ask again why does this administration have the DOJ going after these states that passed voter ID laws?

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:54 PM
thank you

but that link just shows an agency policy

The agency requires ID holders to change their address within 30 days of relocating to a new address.

Read more: How to Change Your Address On a Texas ID | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_7709644_change-address-texas-id.html#ixzz1pEUoTC8J

this is not the same as it being 'against the law'

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:56 PM

thank you

but that link just shows an agency policy

The agency requires ID holders to change their address within 30 days of relocating to a new address.

Read more: How to Change Your Address On a Texas ID | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_7709644_change-address-texas-id.html#ixzz1pEUoTC8J

this is not the same as it being 'against the law'


what does required mean?

"The agency requires ID holders to change their address within 30 days of relocating to a new address."

Read more: How to Change Your Address On a Texas ID | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_7709644_change-address-texas-id.html#ixzz1pEVNx6Rh

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 04:59 PM

do you have an ID MS? seems like they would have told you this...


I have had one since I was sixteen, because I have been driving since then. I know many people who dont and have never driven.

The regulations change from state to state. I have had ohio and nevada licenses and neither place required me to update within a certain time period.

Seakolony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:00 PM
Actually its 25.00 to change address...........

here is the way it is written in the driver handbook.........

3.4.2 - Change of Address
You must obtain a new license within 10 days of any change to your mailing or residential address. You may change the address on your driver
license or identification card by:
1. Mail: be sure to include your complete name, new address, driver license number, and date of birth. Mail to Division of Motorist Services,
Post Office Box 5775, Tallahassee, Florida 32314-5775. Include a $25 check or money order payable to DHSMV. You will receive the
appropriate corrections by mail. Please allow 30 days for processing.
2. Visiting your local Motorist Services office or Tax Collector licensing agent. There is a $25 license fee.
3. Internet at: www.gorenew.com. There is a $25 license fee.
4. After your request is processed, you will receive a new license. Florida law requires that you destroy your old driver license after receiving
the new license.
Non-immigrants will need to go to a driver license office or Tax Collector licensing agent to change the address on a driver license or
identification card.
If you fail to report a change of address you may not receive your motor vehicle registration renewal or your driver's license renewal.
If you are pulled over by law enforcement and the address on your driver license is incorrect, you may receive a citation.

You must report it within 10 days of your move or go and change it in the office or it is a 60.00 citation, but speeding is against the law too. Anytime, you recieve a citation you have broken the law.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:03 PM

Actually its 25.00 to change address...........

here is the way it is written in the driver handbook.........

3.4.2 - Change of Address
You must obtain a new license within 10 days of any change to your mailing or residential address. You may change the address on your driver
license or identification card by:
1. Mail: be sure to include your complete name, new address, driver license number, and date of birth. Mail to Division of Motorist Services,
Post Office Box 5775, Tallahassee, Florida 32314-5775. Include a $25 check or money order payable to DHSMV. You will receive the
appropriate corrections by mail. Please allow 30 days for processing.
2. Visiting your local Motorist Services office or Tax Collector licensing agent. There is a $25 license fee.
3. Internet at: www.gorenew.com. There is a $25 license fee.
4. After your request is processed, you will receive a new license. Florida law requires that you destroy your old driver license after receiving
the new license.
Non-immigrants will need to go to a driver license office or Tax Collector licensing agent to change the address on a driver license or
identification card.
If you fail to report a change of address you may not receive your motor vehicle registration renewal or your driver's license renewal.
If you are pulled over by law enforcement and the address on your driver license is incorrect, you may receive a citation.

You must report it within 10 days of your move or go and change it in the office or it is a 60.00 citation, but speeding is against the law too. Anytime, you recieve a citation you have broken the law.


one thing i liked about Florida, they give you your picture hard license soon as you pass, in Texas, you have to wait for them to send it to you...

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:07 PM

How many more excuses can be made? State lawmakers get elected by the people of the state vote them in. Here in WI a big issue was voter ID. That's one of the reasons these officials got elected and they passed a voter ID law here. Now I'll ask again why does this administration have the DOJ going after these states that passed voter ID laws?



or not

from http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/05/10/wisconsin-set-to-disenfranchise-likely-democratic-party-voters/

In fact, there has been a sum total of 20 people charged with some form of voter fraud out of the millions of Wisconsin residents who voted in the 2008 election. And over half of them are already on voter denial lists as they are convicted felons


from http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/12/02/381172/reince-priebus-voter-fraud/?mobile=nc
Research has found that voters are 39 times more likely to be struck by lightning than commit voter fraud at the polls, and 3,500 times more likely to report a UFO encounter.


from http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/case_studies_by_state/
The 2000 election was hotly contested in Missouri, and various irregularities led to inflated claims of widespread fraud. Many of these fraud claims were later used to support the call for restrictive ID requirements. We examined each of the allegations of fraud by individual voters -- the only sort that ID could possibly address -- to uncover the truth behind the assertions.

The allegations yielded only six substantiated cases of Missouri votes cast by ineligible voters, knowingly or unknowingly, except for those votes permitted by court order. The six cases were double votes by four voters -- two across state lines and two within Missouri -- amounting to an overall rate of 0.0003%. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls.





AS I said, stirring up much ado about less than nothing

'fear tactics'

TJN's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:08 PM


do you have an ID MS? seems like they would have told you this...


I have had one since I was sixteen, because I have been driving since then. I know many people who dont and have never driven.

The regulations change from state to state. I have had ohio and nevada licenses and neither place required me to update within a certain time period.

You know many people who don't have a dri ers liscense or don't have an ID?
There aren't vary many things you can do and not have some form of ID.

Seakolony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:09 PM


Actually its 25.00 to change address...........

here is the way it is written in the driver handbook.........

3.4.2 - Change of Address
You must obtain a new license within 10 days of any change to your mailing or residential address. You may change the address on your driver
license or identification card by:
1. Mail: be sure to include your complete name, new address, driver license number, and date of birth. Mail to Division of Motorist Services,
Post Office Box 5775, Tallahassee, Florida 32314-5775. Include a $25 check or money order payable to DHSMV. You will receive the
appropriate corrections by mail. Please allow 30 days for processing.
2. Visiting your local Motorist Services office or Tax Collector licensing agent. There is a $25 license fee.
3. Internet at: www.gorenew.com. There is a $25 license fee.
4. After your request is processed, you will receive a new license. Florida law requires that you destroy your old driver license after receiving
the new license.
Non-immigrants will need to go to a driver license office or Tax Collector licensing agent to change the address on a driver license or
identification card.
If you fail to report a change of address you may not receive your motor vehicle registration renewal or your driver's license renewal.
If you are pulled over by law enforcement and the address on your driver license is incorrect, you may receive a citation.

You must report it within 10 days of your move or go and change it in the office or it is a 60.00 citation, but speeding is against the law too. Anytime, you recieve a citation you have broken the law.


one thing i liked about Florida, they give you your picture hard license soon as you pass, in Texas, you have to wait for them to send it to you...


In all the states I lived in they gave you the license at DMV.......

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:09 PM
I am required to complete 180 credits of school for a bachelors

but its not illegal for me not to complete 180 credit hours

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:10 PM

Actually its 25.00 to change address...........

here is the way it is written in the driver handbook.........

3.4.2 - Change of Address
You must obtain a new license within 10 days of any change to your mailing or residential address. You may change the address on your driver
license or identification card by:
1. Mail: be sure to include your complete name, new address, driver license number, and date of birth. Mail to Division of Motorist Services,
Post Office Box 5775, Tallahassee, Florida 32314-5775. Include a $25 check or money order payable to DHSMV. You will receive the
appropriate corrections by mail. Please allow 30 days for processing.
2. Visiting your local Motorist Services office or Tax Collector licensing agent. There is a $25 license fee.
3. Internet at: www.gorenew.com. There is a $25 license fee.
4. After your request is processed, you will receive a new license. Florida law requires that you destroy your old driver license after receiving
the new license.
Non-immigrants will need to go to a driver license office or Tax Collector licensing agent to change the address on a driver license or
identification card.
If you fail to report a change of address you may not receive your motor vehicle registration renewal or your driver's license renewal.
If you are pulled over by law enforcement and the address on your driver license is incorrect, you may receive a citation.

You must report it within 10 days of your move or go and change it in the office or it is a 60.00 citation, but speeding is against the law too. Anytime, you recieve a citation you have broken the law.


gotcha, so some states require registered drivers to keep their information updated or be fined


TJN's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:16 PM


How many more excuses can be made? State lawmakers get elected by the people of the state vote them in. Here in WI a big issue was voter ID. That's one of the reasons these officials got elected and they passed a voter ID law here. Now I'll ask again why does this administration have the DOJ going after these states that passed voter ID laws?



or not

from http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/05/10/wisconsin-set-to-disenfranchise-likely-democratic-party-voters/

In fact, there has been a sum total of 20 people charged with some form of voter fraud out of the millions of Wisconsin residents who voted in the 2008 election. And over half of them are already on voter denial lists as they are convicted felons


from http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/12/02/381172/reince-priebus-voter-fraud/?mobile=nc
Research has found that voters are 39 times more likely to be struck by lightning than commit voter fraud at the polls, and 3,500 times more likely to report a UFO encounter.


from http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/case_studies_by_state/
The 2000 election was hotly contested in Missouri, and various irregularities led to inflated claims of widespread fraud. Many of these fraud claims were later used to support the call for restrictive ID requirements. We examined each of the allegations of fraud by individual voters -- the only sort that ID could possibly address -- to uncover the truth behind the assertions.

The allegations yielded only six substantiated cases of Missouri votes cast by ineligible voters, knowingly or unknowingly, except for those votes permitted by court order. The six cases were double votes by four voters -- two across state lines and two within Missouri -- amounting to an overall rate of 0.0003%. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls.





AS I said, stirring up much ado about less than nothing

'fear tactics'


What is your "or not" implying? That other ID wasn't an issue in the 2010 elections?
Guess I don't know what I'm talking about in my own state.
Look in your link if you want to see the fear mongering. Disenfranchising democratic voters. I have yet to see a case where someone couldn't obtain an ID so how would showing an ID to vote be disenfranchising anyone? And don't say people can't afford it because here in WI they offer free ID's to those who can't afford one.

Seakolony's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:27 PM


Actually its 25.00 to change address...........

here is the way it is written in the driver handbook.........

3.4.2 - Change of Address
You must obtain a new license within 10 days of any change to your mailing or residential address. You may change the address on your driver
license or identification card by:
1. Mail: be sure to include your complete name, new address, driver license number, and date of birth. Mail to Division of Motorist Services,
Post Office Box 5775, Tallahassee, Florida 32314-5775. Include a $25 check or money order payable to DHSMV. You will receive the
appropriate corrections by mail. Please allow 30 days for processing.
2. Visiting your local Motorist Services office or Tax Collector licensing agent. There is a $25 license fee.
3. Internet at: www.gorenew.com. There is a $25 license fee.
4. After your request is processed, you will receive a new license. Florida law requires that you destroy your old driver license after receiving
the new license.
Non-immigrants will need to go to a driver license office or Tax Collector licensing agent to change the address on a driver license or
identification card.
If you fail to report a change of address you may not receive your motor vehicle registration renewal or your driver's license renewal.
If you are pulled over by law enforcement and the address on your driver license is incorrect, you may receive a citation.

You must report it within 10 days of your move or go and change it in the office or it is a 60.00 citation, but speeding is against the law too. Anytime, you recieve a citation you have broken the law.


gotcha, so some states require registered drivers to keep their information updated or be fined




No they can refuse to renew your license and your registration.....and it could be up to DMV whether they allow your to have a license or vehicle registered in the State of Florida in the future.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/15/12 05:29 PM



Actually its 25.00 to change address...........

here is the way it is written in the driver handbook.........

3.4.2 - Change of Address
You must obtain a new license within 10 days of any change to your mailing or residential address. You may change the address on your driver
license or identification card by:
1. Mail: be sure to include your complete name, new address, driver license number, and date of birth. Mail to Division of Motorist Services,
Post Office Box 5775, Tallahassee, Florida 32314-5775. Include a $25 check or money order payable to DHSMV. You will receive the
appropriate corrections by mail. Please allow 30 days for processing.
2. Visiting your local Motorist Services office or Tax Collector licensing agent. There is a $25 license fee.
3. Internet at: www.gorenew.com. There is a $25 license fee.
4. After your request is processed, you will receive a new license. Florida law requires that you destroy your old driver license after receiving
the new license.
Non-immigrants will need to go to a driver license office or Tax Collector licensing agent to change the address on a driver license or
identification card.
If you fail to report a change of address you may not receive your motor vehicle registration renewal or your driver's license renewal.
If you are pulled over by law enforcement and the address on your driver license is incorrect, you may receive a citation.

You must report it within 10 days of your move or go and change it in the office or it is a 60.00 citation, but speeding is against the law too. Anytime, you recieve a citation you have broken the law.


one thing i liked about Florida, they give you your picture hard license soon as you pass, in Texas, you have to wait for them to send it to you...


In all the states I lived in they gave you the license at DMV.......


texas and washington state mails them to you, so you have to have the right address..