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Topic: Another shady association for conservative fodder,,,lol
msharmony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 12:58 PM
Forget Barack Obama’s praise for legal scholar Derrick Bell.

Never mind his decades-long association with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Neither of these connections will matter once you get a load of what I’ve uncovered: a linkage between the president and someone at least as radical if not more so than either of those. A man whom President Obama has openly praised, and not just twenty-two years ago at some fairly innocuous law school protest, but regularly, in his books, in his speeches, repeatedly, over the course of his political career. Someone whom he has still never repudiated, as he did with Wright, no matter the many statements this individual is on record as making, and which line up rather nicely with many of Wright’s views.

What does this radical for whom Obama has shown so much gushing and uncritical praise, say about economic issues? Only that capitalism is a system “permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few,” and that, “Something is wrong with capitalism…Maybe America must move towards democratic socialism.”

What does this militant, for whom the president shows so much love, say about white folks and race in America? Only that “Racism is a way of life for the vast majority of white Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle — the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic,” and that whites largely refuse to acknowledge “the debt that they owe a people who were kept in slavery,” for hundreds of years.

What is the position of this dangerous subversive to whom Barack Obama is clearly tethered, when it comes to the role of the United States in the world? Only that, “We’ve committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I’m going to continue to say it. And we won’t stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.”

There is more, much more in fact: pointed condemnations of white racism and arrogance, trenchant critiques of American nationalism and patriotism, and withering bromides against the wealthy, all from a man whom Barack Obama praises often, and apparently regards as something of a national role model.

Indeed, he said as much a few months ago, when he dedicated a monument to this man on the Mall in Washington — the recently unveiled statue for Martin Luther King Jr.




...of course, you can pick ANY president in my lifetime and pretty much be sure to be able to make this 'controversy' apply to them,,,lol

Optomistic69's photo
Tue 03/13/12 01:39 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Tue 03/13/12 02:06 PM
I believe that Obama has been selected by the powers that be to manage America into moving towards democratic socialism.

Obama has been selected for his managerial skills

as well as his diplomatic skills

and lets face it he is one good looking f****r

and Mr Cool Personified.

Martin Luther King is one of my favourite men of all time.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 03/13/12 01:58 PM
Edited by AdventureBegins on Tue 03/13/12 02:00 PM

Forget Barack Obama’s praise for legal scholar Derrick Bell.

Never mind his decades-long association with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Neither of these connections will matter once you get a load of what I’ve uncovered: a linkage between the president and someone at least as radical if not more so than either of those. A man whom President Obama has openly praised, and not just twenty-two years ago at some fairly innocuous law school protest, but regularly, in his books, in his speeches, repeatedly, over the course of his political career. Someone whom he has still never repudiated, as he did with Wright, no matter the many statements this individual is on record as making, and which line up rather nicely with many of Wright’s views.

What does this radical for whom Obama has shown so much gushing and uncritical praise, say about economic issues? Only that capitalism is a system “permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few,” and that, “Something is wrong with capitalism…Maybe America must move towards democratic socialism.”

What does this militant, for whom the president shows so much love, say about white folks and race in America? Only that “Racism is a way of life for the vast majority of white Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle — the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic,” and that whites largely refuse to acknowledge “the debt that they owe a people who were kept in slavery,” for hundreds of years.

What is the position of this dangerous subversive to whom Barack Obama is clearly tethered, when it comes to the role of the United States in the world? Only that, “We’ve committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I’m going to continue to say it. And we won’t stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.”

There is more, much more in fact: pointed condemnations of white racism and arrogance, trenchant critiques of American nationalism and patriotism, and withering bromides against the wealthy, all from a man whom Barack Obama praises often, and apparently regards as something of a national role model.

Indeed, he said as much a few months ago, when he dedicated a monument to this man on the Mall in Washington — the recently unveiled statue for Martin Luther King Jr.




...of course, you can pick ANY president in my lifetime and pretty much be sure to be able to make this 'controversy' apply to them,,,lol

Here is the dividing line.

MLK said many things.

However unlike Mr. Farrakhan or Mr. Wright, MLK said also to do it with peace...

With peace...

Not calling for death or violent action (which begats death and violent action)...

So (meaning nothing racial here) Mr. Farrakhan and Mr. Wright are simply black men with loud mouths. (as R. Limbaugh is but a white man with a loud mouth).

Martin Luther King was a man of greatness.

When I think of him it is not as a 'black man'.

It is as a man that had a dream.

Which I picked up also.




no photo
Tue 03/13/12 02:07 PM

Forget Barack Obama’s praise for legal scholar Derrick Bell.

Never mind his decades-long association with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Neither of these connections will matter once you get a load of what I’ve uncovered: a linkage between the president and someone at least as radical if not more so than either of those. A man whom President Obama has openly praised, and not just twenty-two years ago at some fairly innocuous law school protest, but regularly, in his books, in his speeches, repeatedly, over the course of his political career. Someone whom he has still never repudiated, as he did with Wright, no matter the many statements this individual is on record as making, and which line up rather nicely with many of Wright’s views.

What does this radical for whom Obama has shown so much gushing and uncritical praise, say about economic issues? Only that capitalism is a system “permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few,” and that, “Something is wrong with capitalism…Maybe America must move towards democratic socialism.”

What does this militant, for whom the president shows so much love, say about white folks and race in America? Only that “Racism is a way of life for the vast majority of white Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle — the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic,” and that whites largely refuse to acknowledge “the debt that they owe a people who were kept in slavery,” for hundreds of years.

What is the position of this dangerous subversive to whom Barack Obama is clearly tethered, when it comes to the role of the United States in the world? Only that, “We’ve committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I’m going to continue to say it. And we won’t stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.”

There is more, much more in fact: pointed condemnations of white racism and arrogance, trenchant critiques of American nationalism and patriotism, and withering bromides against the wealthy, all from a man whom Barack Obama praises often, and apparently regards as something of a national role model.

Indeed, he said as much a few months ago, when he dedicated a monument to this man on the Mall in Washington — the recently unveiled statue for Martin Luther King Jr.




...of course, you can pick ANY president in my lifetime and pretty much be sure to be able to make this 'controversy' apply to them,,,lol
Did you right this, or was this an article you copied?

RKISIT's photo
Tue 03/13/12 02:08 PM

I believe that Obama has been selected by the powers that be to manage America into moving towards democratic socialism.

Obama has been selected for his managerial skills

as well as his diplomatic skills

and lets face it he is one good looking f****r

and Mr Cool Personified.
yep Obama is the icing on the cake for the 100% ending of this federalist republic,the democratic socialism started its show in 1932.

InvictusV's photo
Tue 03/13/12 02:23 PM

I believe that Obama has been selected by the powers that be to manage America into moving towards democratic socialism.

Obama has been selected for his managerial skills

as well as his diplomatic skills

and lets face it he is one good looking f****r

and Mr Cool Personified.

Martin Luther King is one of my favourite men of all time.


democratic socialism you say... lol


Optomistic69's photo
Tue 03/13/12 02:37 PM


I believe that Obama has been selected by the powers that be to manage America into moving towards democratic socialism.

Obama has been selected for his managerial skills

as well as his diplomatic skills

and lets face it he is one good looking f****r

and Mr Cool Personified.

Martin Luther King is one of my favourite men of all time.


democratic socialism you say... lol




I can change that around to make it sound more acceptable to the 99% and Call it SOCIAL Democracy..

How does that sound?

Seakolony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 03:50 PM

I believe that Obama has been selected by the powers that be to manage America into moving towards democratic socialism.

Obama has been selected for his managerial skills

as well as his diplomatic skills

and lets face it he is one good looking f****r

and Mr Cool Personified.

Martin Luther King is one of my favourite men of all time.


Democratic socialism?? a double negative if I ever heard one.....democracy cannot exist in conjunction with socialism.....an impossibilty

Optomistic69's photo
Tue 03/13/12 03:59 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Tue 03/13/12 04:06 PM


Democratic socialism?? a double negative if I ever heard one.....democracy cannot exist in conjunction with socialism.....an impossibilty


A change is a coming to America...you call it what you like but there is going to be change.


Notable democratic socialists

Salvador Allende
Clement Attlee
Farshad Bashir
Tony Benn
Rómulo Betancourt
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
Léon Blum
Harry van Bommel
Leonel Brizola
Eugene V. Debs
John Dewey
Tommy Douglas
Jean Jaurès
Agnes Kant
Helen Keller
Naomi Klein
Tiny Kox
Ken Livingstone
Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva
Michael Manley
Jan Marijnissen
George Orwell
Olof Palme
Emile Roemer
Bertrand Russell
Bernie Sanders
Norman Thomas
Ronald van Raak
Cornel West
Howard Zinn

InvictusV's photo
Tue 03/13/12 04:44 PM



I believe that Obama has been selected by the powers that be to manage America into moving towards democratic socialism.

Obama has been selected for his managerial skills

as well as his diplomatic skills

and lets face it he is one good looking f****r

and Mr Cool Personified.

Martin Luther King is one of my favourite men of all time.


democratic socialism you say... lol




I can change that around to make it sound more acceptable to the 99% and Call it SOCIAL Democracy..

How does that sound?


that is much better.. the progressives have to lie about their intentions, otherwise we will be fighting another civil war..

no photo
Tue 03/13/12 05:10 PM
Edited by massagetrade on Tue 03/13/12 05:11 PM
Did you right this, or was this an article you copied?


It's all from this asshat named 'Tim Wise'.

He's not as bad as rush limbaugh, but he's quite fond of exaggerations, false logic, and emotional, inflammatory rhetoric.

Edit: To clarify - I agree with several of wise's points in this blog post. I usually agree with his underlying points - its his manipulative rhetorical style i find offensive.

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 06:16 PM

I believe that Obama has been selected by the powers that be to manage America into moving towards democratic socialism.

Obama has been selected for his managerial skills

as well as his diplomatic skills

and lets face it he is one good looking f****r

and Mr Cool Personified.

Martin Luther King is one of my favourite men of all time.



MLK was not perfect, but he was amazing in the things he accomplished

kind of my point about modern politics, where people pretend someone should have to be PERFECT and never say or believe anything controversial or be 'associated' with anyone who does,,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 06:18 PM


Forget Barack Obama’s praise for legal scholar Derrick Bell.

Never mind his decades-long association with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Neither of these connections will matter once you get a load of what I’ve uncovered: a linkage between the president and someone at least as radical if not more so than either of those. A man whom President Obama has openly praised, and not just twenty-two years ago at some fairly innocuous law school protest, but regularly, in his books, in his speeches, repeatedly, over the course of his political career. Someone whom he has still never repudiated, as he did with Wright, no matter the many statements this individual is on record as making, and which line up rather nicely with many of Wright’s views.

What does this radical for whom Obama has shown so much gushing and uncritical praise, say about economic issues? Only that capitalism is a system “permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few,” and that, “Something is wrong with capitalism…Maybe America must move towards democratic socialism.”

What does this militant, for whom the president shows so much love, say about white folks and race in America? Only that “Racism is a way of life for the vast majority of white Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle — the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic,” and that whites largely refuse to acknowledge “the debt that they owe a people who were kept in slavery,” for hundreds of years.

What is the position of this dangerous subversive to whom Barack Obama is clearly tethered, when it comes to the role of the United States in the world? Only that, “We’ve committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I’m going to continue to say it. And we won’t stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.”

There is more, much more in fact: pointed condemnations of white racism and arrogance, trenchant critiques of American nationalism and patriotism, and withering bromides against the wealthy, all from a man whom Barack Obama praises often, and apparently regards as something of a national role model.

Indeed, he said as much a few months ago, when he dedicated a monument to this man on the Mall in Washington — the recently unveiled statue for Martin Luther King Jr.




...of course, you can pick ANY president in my lifetime and pretty much be sure to be able to make this 'controversy' apply to them,,,lol

Here is the dividing line.

MLK said many things.

However unlike Mr. Farrakhan or Mr. Wright, MLK said also to do it with peace...

With peace...

Not calling for death or violent action (which begats death and violent action)...

So (meaning nothing racial here) Mr. Farrakhan and Mr. Wright are simply black men with loud mouths. (as R. Limbaugh is but a white man with a loud mouth).

Martin Luther King was a man of greatness.

When I think of him it is not as a 'black man'.

It is as a man that had a dream.

Which I picked up also.







I dont recall Wright 'calling' for violence

and I only recall Farrakhan talking about DEFENSIVE violence, which we praised pretty highly in america when we felt 'americans' were under attack by 'muslims' (and many still harbor ill feelings and mistrust of the whole group, yet would be the first to belittle Mr Farrakhans feelings and beliefs,,,)

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 06:19 PM


Forget Barack Obama’s praise for legal scholar Derrick Bell.

Never mind his decades-long association with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Neither of these connections will matter once you get a load of what I’ve uncovered: a linkage between the president and someone at least as radical if not more so than either of those. A man whom President Obama has openly praised, and not just twenty-two years ago at some fairly innocuous law school protest, but regularly, in his books, in his speeches, repeatedly, over the course of his political career. Someone whom he has still never repudiated, as he did with Wright, no matter the many statements this individual is on record as making, and which line up rather nicely with many of Wright’s views.

What does this radical for whom Obama has shown so much gushing and uncritical praise, say about economic issues? Only that capitalism is a system “permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few,” and that, “Something is wrong with capitalism…Maybe America must move towards democratic socialism.”

What does this militant, for whom the president shows so much love, say about white folks and race in America? Only that “Racism is a way of life for the vast majority of white Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle — the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic,” and that whites largely refuse to acknowledge “the debt that they owe a people who were kept in slavery,” for hundreds of years.

What is the position of this dangerous subversive to whom Barack Obama is clearly tethered, when it comes to the role of the United States in the world? Only that, “We’ve committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I’m going to continue to say it. And we won’t stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.”

There is more, much more in fact: pointed condemnations of white racism and arrogance, trenchant critiques of American nationalism and patriotism, and withering bromides against the wealthy, all from a man whom Barack Obama praises often, and apparently regards as something of a national role model.

Indeed, he said as much a few months ago, when he dedicated a monument to this man on the Mall in Washington — the recently unveiled statue for Martin Luther King Jr.




...of course, you can pick ANY president in my lifetime and pretty much be sure to be able to make this 'controversy' apply to them,,,lol
Did you right this, or was this an article you copied?



it was a copy and paste (except the last line, which was my opinion) that I did on the way out the door to work this morning

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 06:21 PM

Did you right this, or was this an article you copied?


It's all from this asshat named 'Tim Wise'.

He's not as bad as rush limbaugh, but he's quite fond of exaggerations, false logic, and emotional, inflammatory rhetoric.

Edit: To clarify - I agree with several of wise's points in this blog post. I usually agree with his underlying points - its his manipulative rhetorical style i find offensive.



I agree with much of what Wise writes, and disagree with some of it too,,,

I found this piece to be a great analogy of how some choose the SLIGHTEST 'connection' to try to admonish a person or that persons reputation

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 03/13/12 07:43 PM



Forget Barack Obama’s praise for legal scholar Derrick Bell.

Never mind his decades-long association with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Neither of these connections will matter once you get a load of what I’ve uncovered: a linkage between the president and someone at least as radical if not more so than either of those. A man whom President Obama has openly praised, and not just twenty-two years ago at some fairly innocuous law school protest, but regularly, in his books, in his speeches, repeatedly, over the course of his political career. Someone whom he has still never repudiated, as he did with Wright, no matter the many statements this individual is on record as making, and which line up rather nicely with many of Wright’s views.

What does this radical for whom Obama has shown so much gushing and uncritical praise, say about economic issues? Only that capitalism is a system “permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few,” and that, “Something is wrong with capitalism…Maybe America must move towards democratic socialism.”

What does this militant, for whom the president shows so much love, say about white folks and race in America? Only that “Racism is a way of life for the vast majority of white Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle — the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic,” and that whites largely refuse to acknowledge “the debt that they owe a people who were kept in slavery,” for hundreds of years.

What is the position of this dangerous subversive to whom Barack Obama is clearly tethered, when it comes to the role of the United States in the world? Only that, “We’ve committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I’m going to continue to say it. And we won’t stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.”

There is more, much more in fact: pointed condemnations of white racism and arrogance, trenchant critiques of American nationalism and patriotism, and withering bromides against the wealthy, all from a man whom Barack Obama praises often, and apparently regards as something of a national role model.

Indeed, he said as much a few months ago, when he dedicated a monument to this man on the Mall in Washington — the recently unveiled statue for Martin Luther King Jr.




...of course, you can pick ANY president in my lifetime and pretty much be sure to be able to make this 'controversy' apply to them,,,lol

Here is the dividing line.

MLK said many things.

However unlike Mr. Farrakhan or Mr. Wright, MLK said also to do it with peace...

With peace...

Not calling for death or violent action (which begats death and violent action)...

So (meaning nothing racial here) Mr. Farrakhan and Mr. Wright are simply black men with loud mouths. (as R. Limbaugh is but a white man with a loud mouth).

Martin Luther King was a man of greatness.

When I think of him it is not as a 'black man'.

It is as a man that had a dream.

Which I picked up also.







I dont recall Wright 'calling' for violence

and I only recall Farrakhan talking about DEFENSIVE violence, which we praised pretty highly in america when we felt 'americans' were under attack by 'muslims' (and many still harbor ill feelings and mistrust of the whole group, yet would be the first to belittle Mr Farrakhans feelings and beliefs,,,)

I would agree with you that some of his words are to the good.

Yet I have a hard time listening to a man that spews hatred right at me...

I am white. I am Irish.

Iam an American.

I learned from my ancestors (both the good and the bad) and I do not like being put down for growing.

MLK used peace.

By using hate Farrakhan has been calling for violence...

hate grows hate on all sides.

Like revenge hate leads to the eye for the eye.

It was quite difficult for me to continue weeding through the hate to reach the Gems in his Works. (as the hate was partly directed at me)

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 09:42 PM
understandable

we all have unique methods and experiences with which we interpret and experience what we see and hear,,,

no photo
Wed 03/14/12 08:15 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 03/14/12 08:15 AM
it was a copy and paste (except the last line, which was my opinion) that I did on the way out the door to work this morning

Then it is a copy right violation. You should provide the link, cite your source and make sure to abide by the fair use terms and conditions. It is also considered standard internet practice even when the article is not copy right restricted.

Just FYI.

no photo
Wed 03/14/12 11:16 AM

it was a copy and paste (except the last line, which was my opinion) that I did on the way out the door to work this morning

Then it is a copy right violation. You should provide the link, cite your source and make sure to abide by the fair use terms and conditions. It is also considered standard internet practice even when the article is not copy right restricted.

Just FYI.



I don't always follow fair use guidelines, but I find this interesting because you argued in defense of SOPA.

Under SOPA, if wise had complained to the feds, the feds could have blacklisted this entire site over such an innocent mistake.


msharmony's photo
Wed 03/14/12 11:32 AM


it was a copy and paste (except the last line, which was my opinion) that I did on the way out the door to work this morning

Then it is a copy right violation. You should provide the link, cite your source and make sure to abide by the fair use terms and conditions. It is also considered standard internet practice even when the article is not copy right restricted.

Just FYI.



I don't always follow fair use guidelines, but I find this interesting because you argued in defense of SOPA.

Under SOPA, if wise had complained to the feds, the feds could have blacklisted this entire site over such an innocent mistake.




I doubt it...and I doubt anyone could show me the text of SOPA that says they could

the first step is given to the SITE itself to discontinue my participation until the matter was cleared up,, which could be done easily,,,

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