And Jesus turned the water into wine.

But not just any wine, the good stuff.

Jesus rocks!

I turn beer into water. Guess I should practice more.

..shouldn't hit yourself.

Causes brain damage. :O

And Jesus turned the water into wine.

But not just any wine, the good stuff.

Jesus rocks!

I turn beer into water. Guess I should practice more.

I'm so awesome..

I can turn any type of alcohol into urine. :P

And I turn alcohol into wayyyyyyyyy too much fun!!!

And I turn alcohol into wayyyyyyyyy too much fun!!!

Maybe he finally got the Message of LUV2

..nah, he's out sinning.

Well Sin, I am an aetheist. I don't believe in anything that the bible says. So why would I care what is wrote? Reading something is not going to change my outlook on life or how I treat others. Its entirely up to me. Like anyone else; yes I complain about things but that is more a stress relief. My biggest thing is life is not to hurt others. If I choose to not love anyone then the only one I hurt is myself. I can define the difference between right and wrong, so why would I need the bible to tell me this. As for sacrifice; I put my life on the line several times while serving in the military. I would sacrifice myself to save a family member or a dear friend without hesitation. Again, I don't need someone to tell me about the sacrifice of God's son to understand sacrifice. I believe one should live their life anyway they please just as long as they are not hurting others. I don't need to be relgious to understand that, nor do I need to read the bible to guide me.

Again, as I tried to make clear, but I notice I failed miserably is that..

I not trying to promote God or the Bible itself..

I just trying to say that 'love' and this time I mean not in the style of man between woman, or wife and husband; but love in general should unify us to be better as people.

I can't nor will I criticize your frame of mind, you are free to think what and how you will. You are also free to deem what you think is right and wrong.

I speak more of the message it tries, though it is filled with so much other crap that makes it hard, to leave us with.

Respecting each other. Caring for your fellow man, etc.

I wish it was easy for me to say that this message I spoke of came from a Stephen King novel and you'd find it easy to imagine that; but I can't, obviously. And all I said, about the sacrifice of his son, even if in my own mind, that's bs because at the same time; I believe it's God that set up Adam and Eve that set in action the steps leading up to the visage that was the sacrifice, was about the idea of that type of commitment...

..I am just more or less speaking on concepts.

I mean, how can I expect you to believe in something I myself don't? That's hypocritical and, putting it bluntly, retarded..

Your thoughts, your notions, are splendid in the fact they are your own.

But by that and with that said..

That entails my message.

Why does that have to divide us?

You don't believe in God.
She believes in God.

I think you are both crazy.

..but none of us are truly right, none of us are truly wrong..

Keep your faith in whatever it is you have, keep your beliefs in whatever they are...

..but can we not, for once in the long history of man; be open to each others and no, not take them as our own, but accept that they have their own, and finally tear down this ridiculous wall that blinds us and keeps us from being 'friends'?

Think about it, you nor I, would have to even know the atrocities of war. We wouldn't need to 'sacrifice' anything in this type of world..

..there'd be no poverty, no famine..

Of course there'd probably still be diseases, but there'd be not a soul who wouldn't be able to find some form of help..

We wouldn't need 'weapons of mass destruction' nor have the need for peace conferences.. because that's all we'd know.. peace.

Peace.

Is that not what the soldier fights for?
Is that not what people have shed blood over?

..Peace. I want it to be more than an idea.

I want it to be more than just a brief period of time.

That is what I meant by the Message.

..it is one, from a non-religious stand point..

I was merely trying to reiterate.

Why must aggression always be met with aggression?

..and why when I speak of change, must I be met with defiance?

Is peace, throughout, despite any type of origin or wall that we made to divide us; that ludicrous of a thought we'd not even consider it?

If you disagree, that's fine.

I obviously can't nor won't force you.

After all, this whole thing..

Was just me ranting..

I can only wish it'd change something..
..but I know it won't.

That's what saddens me.

Are we talking about the "King James" version of the Bible. The

version that King James translated to english so that he could

consolidate more power over his subjects by using the church. The

same Bible that made many english subjects flee to America to to get

out of his immediate grasp.

I hate to bear bad news but Jesus didn't speak english. Are there

lessons to be learned about how to live in the bible? Sure! Be

careful about taking it to literal.

I do agree with what you are saying and maybe I missed the point. I think the problem why it does divide us is that I find religous people don't let me freely think the way I want to. I am not talking about you but the religous ones I have met here. I am sure if they could get away with it; they would stone me for not going to church or believing in God. I for one wish no harm on others and try my best to be a good person; helping when I can. I wish we could all live in peace but its just a dream of course. We can't change the world but we can affect a small little area. Goodness knows I have my days when I could just strangle people but I keep my emotions in check as all it would do is make things worse. I respect those around me and try to make thier day brighter by just saying hello or have a nice day. I listen almost every day to my brother complain about how rotten life is and try to get him to see the good. I guess where I get upset is when someone tells me what I need to make my life complete and I am not talking about this thread but in general. You are correct though that if we did treat each other with love and respect; we would have a wonderful world to live in.