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I post this because this is how I felt about America when I was a young man. Even now we have people using words like Looney Leftists and Collectivism.....
It was in the early days of the fighting in Vietnam that a Vietcong officer said to his American prisoner: "You were our heroes after the War. We read American books and saw American films, and a common phrase in those days was "to be as rich and as wise as an American". What happened?" An American might have been asked something similar by a Guatemalan, an Indonesian or a Cuban during the ten years previous, or by a Uruguayan, a Chilean or a Greek in the decade subsequent. The remarkable international goodwill and credibility enjoyed by the United States at the close of the Second World War was dissipated country-by-country, intervention-by-intervention. The opportunity to build the war pravaged world anew, to lay the foundations for peace, prosperity and justice, collapsed under the awful weight of anti-communism |
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I post this because this is how I felt about America when I was a young man. Even now we have people using words like Looney Leftists and Collectivism..... It was in the early days of the fighting in Vietnam that a Vietcong officer said to his American prisoner: "You were our heroes after the War. We read American books and saw American films, and a common phrase in those days was "to be as rich and as wise as an American". What happened?" An American might have been asked something similar by a Guatemalan, an Indonesian or a Cuban during the ten years previous, or by a Uruguayan, a Chilean or a Greek in the decade subsequent. The remarkable international goodwill and credibility enjoyed by the United States at the close of the Second World War was dissipated country-by-country, intervention-by-intervention. The opportunity to build the war pravaged world anew, to lay the foundations for peace, prosperity and justice, collapsed under the awful weight of anti-communism I often ask myself why did we stay in Europe after WW2? We had no business fighting in the European theater to begin with. If we had focused all our attention to the Pacific and the country that actually attacked us it would have been over in 1943.. Without having to drop 2 atomic bombs.. But no... We had to buy into this nonsense that we owed Europe something.. the "special relationship" with the British.. Even though we fought two wars directly and another by proxy we sent our men off to die again like in 1917 over some dumba$$ed worthless agreements made by people we didn't know.. When the war ended and the Marshall Plan finished we should have packed our bags and left. We should have left all of you to defend yourselves from Stalin and his armies.. He would have walked over you in a stroll and you could have found out firsthand how loving and caring the Stalinist system really was. Instead of Stalin and Mao killing off a few hundred million you could add another 50 million or so of you western Europeans who love to sit there and criticize us for doing what you are incapable of doing yourselves.. There will be a day very soon in which we get rid of the police the world politicians and when that day comes I hope you all pick up a weapon and learn how to fire it, because you are going to need it. |
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America made a Fortune out of any deal it made With Europe.
The Brits made their Final Payment for services rendered only a very short time ago. America has made a fortune from War. War is the most lucrative business in town |
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I post this because this is how I felt about America when I was a young man. Even now we have people using words like Looney Leftists and Collectivism..... It was in the early days of the fighting in Vietnam that a Vietcong officer said to his American prisoner: "You were our heroes after the War. We read American books and saw American films, and a common phrase in those days was "to be as rich and as wise as an American". What happened?" An American might have been asked something similar by a Guatemalan, an Indonesian or a Cuban during the ten years previous, or by a Uruguayan, a Chilean or a Greek in the decade subsequent. The remarkable international goodwill and credibility enjoyed by the United States at the close of the Second World War was dissipated country-by-country, intervention-by-intervention. The opportunity to build the war pravaged world anew, to lay the foundations for peace, prosperity and justice, collapsed under the awful weight of anti-communism I often ask myself why did we stay in Europe after WW2? We had no business fighting in the European theater to begin with. If we had focused all our attention to the Pacific and the country that actually attacked us it would have been over in 1943.. Without having to drop 2 atomic bombs.. But no... We had to buy into this nonsense that we owed Europe something.. the "special relationship" with the British.. Even though we fought two wars directly and another by proxy we sent our men off to die again like in 1917 over some dumba$$ed worthless agreements made by people we didn't know.. When the war ended and the Marshall Plan finished we should have packed our bags and left. We should have left all of you to defend yourselves from Stalin and his armies.. He would have walked over you in a stroll and you could have found out firsthand how loving and caring the Stalinist system really was. Instead of Stalin and Mao killing off a few hundred million you could add another 50 million or so of you western Europeans who love to sit there and criticize us for doing what you are incapable of doing yourselves.. There will be a day very soon in which we get rid of the police the world politicians and when that day comes I hope you all pick up a weapon and learn how to fire it, because you are going to need it. 100% Correct and very well said..... 
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Fri 02/17/12 12:16 PM
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If you had read the post correctly it talks about the The remarkable international goodwill and credibility enjoyed by the United States at the close of the Second World War was dissipated country-by-country, intervention-by-intervention.
What European Countries Did America intervene in.? That Question to InvictusV |
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Fri 02/17/12 12:51 PM
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I think tv happened. Ruined all the honorable imagery we created for ourselves during war. Shame took a front seat and broke down the collective pride. Broke us apart in so many ways. dunno tho. just thinkin out loud. There are people who are honest and there are people who are in denial. Honest people have everything to look forward to ......................and......................... People in denial can only look backward or blame someone or something |
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How can anyone actually blame our Government?
It does only what we allow it to do. It would seem to me that a few people have not been reading the Constitution. I read it aloud to my self at least once a year. I am sworn to up hold it. I will to my blood. (lately it has been a bit hard to do this as I must wisper gods name so I not frighten the Children who watch me) |
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How can anyone actually blame our Government? It does only what we allow it to do. It would seem to me that a few people have not been reading the Constitution. I read it aloud to my self at least once a year. I am sworn to up hold it. I will to my blood. (lately it has been a bit hard to do this as I must wisper gods name so I not frighten the Children who watch me) If I respond to this.. ..I will ultimately be reported. So, instead. I'll say nothing. I'll just whistle and put back on my headphones. ..it is a nice write and I'm digging Invictus's response to it. M. |
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I think tv happened. Ruined all the honorable imagery we created for ourselves during war. Shame took a front seat and broke down the collective pride. Broke us apart in so many ways. dunno tho. just thinkin out loud. I think culture change happened to instant gratification sensationalism rebellion entitlement ,, a deadly mix for society,,, |
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..it is a nice write and I'm digging Invictus's response to it. Still waiting for his response to the original post |
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The title Killing Hope is something one can never actually do.
You can hold hope hostage by placing it in a box. You can never kill hope it springs eternal. If your box has but a microscopic flaw Hope will allways escape. The longer it is held. the stronger it becomes. Till the box be shattered. |
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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The title Killing Hope is something one can never actually do. You can hold hope hostage by placing it in a box. You can never kill hope it springs eternal. If your box has but a microscopic flaw Hope will allways escape. The longer it is held. the stronger it becomes. Till the box be shattered. Lovely Sentiment  and I agree
But the title is the name of a book by William Blum (Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II.) No hope for the millions killed since WW2 through invasion and intervention |
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The title Killing Hope is something one can never actually do. You can hold hope hostage by placing it in a box. You can never kill hope it springs eternal. If your box has but a microscopic flaw Hope will allways escape. The longer it is held. the stronger it becomes. Till the box be shattered. Lovely Sentiment and I agree
But the title is the name of a book by William Blum (Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II.) No hope for the millions killed since WW2 through invasion and intervention  you Europeans started most of it!
Even Vietnam! Can you say French? But it seems you couldn't finish none! Always called for Big Brother to finish the Job,then BADMOUTHED him!  
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The title Killing Hope is something one can never actually do. You can hold hope hostage by placing it in a box. You can never kill hope it springs eternal. If your box has but a microscopic flaw Hope will allways escape. The longer it is held. the stronger it becomes. Till the box be shattered. Lovely Sentiment and I agree
But the title is the name of a book by William Blum (Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II.) No hope for the millions killed since WW2 through invasion and intervention you Europeans started most of it!
Even Vietnam! Can you say French? But it seems you couldn't finish none! Always called for Big Brother to finish the Job,then BADMOUTHED him!
Exhausted themselves running their mouths....judging and whining mostly...
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1. China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?
2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style 3. Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state 4. The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony 5. Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be? 6. Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy 7. Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor 8. Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism 9. Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings 10. Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched 11. Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1 12. Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government 13. Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America 14. Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography 15. Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts 16. British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIA's international labor mafia 17. Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing 18. Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism 19. Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus 20. Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism 21. Laos - 1957-1973: L'Armée Clandestine 22. Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again 23. Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another 24. France/Algeria - 1960s: L'état, c'est la CIA 25. Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks 26. The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba 27. Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads 28. Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle 29. Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy 30. Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution 31. Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno … and 500,000 others East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more 32. Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line 33. Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie 34. Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead 35. Greece - 1964-1974: "**** your Parliament and your Constitution," said the President of the United States 36. Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat 37. Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution" 38. Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally -- Part 2 39. Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work 40. Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust 41. Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game 42. Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven 43. Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum 44. Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance 45. Grenada - 1979-1984: Lying -- one of the few growth industries in Washington 46. Morocco - 1983: A video nasty 47. Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman 48. Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match 49. Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion 50. Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier 51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about 52. Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert holocaust 53. Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America's Jihad 54. El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style 55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest? 56. The American Empire - 1992 to present |
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The title Killing Hope is something one can never actually do. You can hold hope hostage by placing it in a box. You can never kill hope it springs eternal. If your box has but a microscopic flaw Hope will allways escape. The longer it is held. the stronger it becomes. Till the box be shattered. Lovely Sentiment and I agree
But the title is the name of a book by William Blum (Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II.) No hope for the millions killed since WW2 through invasion and intervention you Europeans started most of it!
Even Vietnam! Can you say French? But it seems you couldn't finish none! Always called for Big Brother to finish the Job,then BADMOUTHED him!
Exhausted themselves running their mouths....judging and whining mostly...
  
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1. China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid? 2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style 3. Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state 4. The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony 5. Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be? 6. Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy 7. Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor 8. Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism 9. Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings 10. Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched 11. Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1 12. Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government 13. Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America 14. Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography 15. Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts 16. British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIA's international labor mafia 17. Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing 18. Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism 19. Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus 20. Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism 21. Laos - 1957-1973: L'Armée Clandestine 22. Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again 23. Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another 24. France/Algeria - 1960s: L'état, c'est la CIA 25. Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks 26. The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba 27. Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads 28. Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle 29. Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy 30. Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution 31. Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno … and 500,000 others East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more 32. Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line 33. Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie 34. Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead 35. Greece - 1964-1974: "**** your Parliament and your Constitution," said the President of the United States 36. Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat 37. Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution" 38. Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally -- Part 2 39. Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work 40. Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust 41. Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game 42. Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven 43. Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum 44. Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance 45. Grenada - 1979-1984: Lying -- one of the few growth industries in Washington 46. Morocco - 1983: A video nasty 47. Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman 48. Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match 49. Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion 50. Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier 51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about 52. Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert holocaust 53. Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America's Jihad 54. El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style 55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest? 56. The American Empire - 1992 to present Chubby Checker is singing the Twist!
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America made a Fortune out of any deal it made With Europe. The Brits made their Final Payment for services rendered only a very short time ago. America has made a fortune from War. War is the most lucrative business in town
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Perhaps the most Orwellian quote to come out of the Vietnam war, now a classic, was
"We had to destroy the village in order to save it." Now comes Mr. Rumsfeld, speaking of US "precision bombing" in Iraq: "It looks like it's a bombing of a city, but it isn't." |
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1. China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid? 2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style 3. Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state 4. The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony 5. Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be? 6. Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy 7. Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor 8. Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism 9. Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings 10. Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched 11. Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1 12. Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government 13. Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America 14. Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography 15. Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts 16. British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIA's international labor mafia 17. Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing 18. Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism 19. Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus 20. Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism 21. Laos - 1957-1973: L'Armée Clandestine 22. Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again 23. Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another 24. France/Algeria - 1960s: L'état, c'est la CIA 25. Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks 26. The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba 27. Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads 28. Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle 29. Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy 30. Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution 31. Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno … and 500,000 others East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more 32. Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line 33. Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie 34. Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead 35. Greece - 1964-1974: "**** your Parliament and your Constitution," said the President of the United States 36. Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat 37. Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution" 38. Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally -- Part 2 39. Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work 40. Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust 41. Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game 42. Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven 43. Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum 44. Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance 45. Grenada - 1979-1984: Lying -- one of the few growth industries in Washington 46. Morocco - 1983: A video nasty 47. Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman 48. Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match 49. Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion 50. Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier 51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about 52. Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert holocaust 53. Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America's Jihad 54. El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style 55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest? 56. The American Empire - 1992 to present 5. Korea, yes it was all it appeared to be.....I can answer that for my grandmother born and raised in Korea, survived Polio, met my grandfather an American soldier that helped South Korea win independence from communistic North Korea, where the people are grateful for their freedoms everyday.....My grandmother visits her living sister and brother, my cousins, and family. So, Korea, yes...... |
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