Is it all little gestures of affection that you don't find endearing or just those two? What about flowers on the first date? What about a guy giving you his coat or jacket so that you can sit in the grass without getting stains on your clothes?

As for paying for the first date I prefer going Dutch. As for asking me out and holding the door, these are not deal breakers for me. They are just impressive.

What do ya say we go out? I'll throw a couple burgers down your throat, then I'll introduce you to my good friend Stanley.... You know, like the power drill.

What kind of burgers?

Whatever's greasiest, they go down easier.

That's not my point.

Better behavior means nothing if the motive behind it is insincere. It becomes nothing more than a facade. I know guys who will open a door for any woman, guys who will do it for any person, and guys who do it only for "hot" women. But if you don't know them from Adam, how are you going to know which is which?

And if the screaming shrew mends her ways just to keep her man, then slips back to her old ways once he stays, does that not also show insincerity on her part?

People with sincere motives will be consistent, whether it is improving bad habits or maintaining their good ones. It shows dedication and good character rather than just sneaking by on appearances.

Cute expression. What do boys say? "I'm going to take my three balls and go home"?

Has there been an incident in which a boy left more than one ball that had belong to him on the playground as he went home?

I am so glad I did not grow up here in this country. I would have been beaten to death by my peers at age four for my sense of humour and for being (allegedly) gay and hystrionically challenged. (That's what my four-year-old grandson called his kindergarten teacher the other day.)

You're right. The next time a guy opens a door for me I'm gonna scream at him, "You jerk! How do I know you aren't doing this to impress me and in reality you're a total azzhole!"

Thanks, Action. I'll never be fooled again by these losers.

I think the survey asked participants to state their feelings and opinions. In that sense the survey is more accurate than the 2.5 percent margin of error.

If the survey was used to establish some distribution of opinions over a larger population, like for instance the general population, then the survey failed in having used only online participants. Much depends on how the subjects had been selected. Accuracy of a sample when projected over the general population is hugely dependent on a RANDOM selection. This is very hard to achieve at best of times, but when it's a self-selected group they survey, then it's almost guaranteed to be not representative of the population.

I don't know what the survey selection for participants involved, so this is all very academic what we talk about here.

Statistics is actually a VERY exact science. The inaccuracies creep in when the elements of the mathematical model are populated with inappropriately chosen actual elements from reality.

everybody has expectations

but negotiation will lead to a connection where demands lead to a resentment

if a man does not pay for a date and that was your (her - whoever) expectation....simply refuse the offer - or don't go out with him

find someone who shares your values

Not what I meant, but point taken.



Maybe I've spent too much time around the wrong people.
I've just seen people do "good" things for sleazy reasons time and again.

It's too bad because some of them are basically good people with bad habits....and I want to keep the faith that they'll straighten their own matters eventually. So I'll be friendly with them, but keep them at arm's length at the same time to avoid being dragged down.

Perhaps that's jaded me a bit.

so, would no expectations be better?, isnt that the same as no standards?

I've been called naieve 3 times in the last month. So, maybe it's me.

WHAT?????????

I don't pick my nose or scratch myself.........

at least until the...........

Third Date!!!!!!!

Well, I wasn't one them.

But that occasional spunk and fieriness is why we love you.

And yeah....I get called naive too.

Brilliance

and might I add, if you learn to love yourself and your own company, there will be no REASON for you to accept less than what you really want,,,,

I may have been one of these "people" to whom you refer....
Have you ever bought me a drink?
I usually say that to guys when they buy me a drink.....
Sometimes I find I have jumped to the wrong conclusion, however & blame it on the Heisenberg uncertainty principle...
Hmmmmmm.....you do look strangely familiar....another time another place perhaps

Personally; on a first date I don't expect a man to hold open a door or pay for my meal, so for me no demands or expectations. I have no expectations of the person other than for him to be himself. He has to do what is comfortable and if he isn't comfortable holding open a door, paying a meal, or dressing up for a date; then its fine with me.