Topic: Why Do We Have Poor People?
Optomistic69's photo
Thu 02/02/12 12:15 PM

This all sounds like the regular mantra that people are poor because they're lazy. I don't think that's a fair call for the majority of poor people. I think not only does the "human nature" instinct for instant gratification play a part, but also lack of knowledge plays a part. How do you learn to stay on a budget, save your money, and think about the future? You only learn that kind of thing from your family or friends. And if none of them have ever had enough money to do that with, you have no idea about it.

In this country at least, I think health--both physical and mental--plays an important part. I lived out in the country in Maine, and it was very poor. A lot of people were unemployed because of health problems. In many cases they wanted to work and could have worked part time, but there just were no jobs available that fit their limitations. You might say they should move to the city, but if you're living in a trailer, where do you get the money to even rent an apartment? What about when your car breaks down--your old car that you do the bare minimum maintenance on because you've got no money for more? Lots of these people will have signs outside their houses, or tacked up at the corner store, that they'll do yard work or give massages or repair small engines. They're trying, but it's all nickel and dime stuff.

I don't think there's any simple answer to why people are poor, but I do think it's a vicious circle once you get into it, especially if that's the only experience you've ever had.

My question is, if we could pinpoint "why," would it help us solve the problem?


There are no problems only solutions.

If we can space travel we can solve the poor question.

It is said that a tiny levy on all world financial transactions would go a very long way to doing just that.....but guess what..David Cameron here in the UK doesn't agree....why...Because The City Of London Told Him So.

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Thu 02/02/12 12:35 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 02/02/12 12:37 PM
The oldest sister in that family I mentioned was in a motor vehicle accident, she broke both her arms. She healed and the settlement (school buss accident) netted her 20K dollars after all was said and done.

What did she do? Threw a massive party for the whole neighborhood. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies, and sometimes giving us money is not what brings us out of poverty.

Human beings are complex creatures. Money is just one thing. It takes discipline, it takes hard work, it takes opportunity, it takes a guiding hand, and sometimes it takes injustice and the complete control of those that know better.

I know that had the younger brother been able to spend the money the way the oldest daughter did, He may have ended up doing as poorly as she did. But becuase she was 16 and emancipated, she had control of her own settlement, where as he was 12 and still under the mothers care. Now he is a nuclear physicists, and she is a waitress still in poverty. His settlement money paid for 2 year college, hers drugs and alcohol.

No simple answers.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 02/02/12 12:41 PM


This all sounds like the regular mantra that people are poor because they're lazy. I don't think that's a fair call for the majority of poor people. I think not only does the "human nature" instinct for instant gratification play a part, but also lack of knowledge plays a part. How do you learn to stay on a budget, save your money, and think about the future? You only learn that kind of thing from your family or friends. And if none of them have ever had enough money to do that with, you have no idea about it.

In this country at least, I think health--both physical and mental--plays an important part. I lived out in the country in Maine, and it was very poor. A lot of people were unemployed because of health problems. In many cases they wanted to work and could have worked part time, but there just were no jobs available that fit their limitations. You might say they should move to the city, but if you're living in a trailer, where do you get the money to even rent an apartment? What about when your car breaks down--your old car that you do the bare minimum maintenance on because you've got no money for more? Lots of these people will have signs outside their houses, or tacked up at the corner store, that they'll do yard work or give massages or repair small engines. They're trying, but it's all nickel and dime stuff.

I don't think there's any simple answer to why people are poor, but I do think it's a vicious circle once you get into it, especially if that's the only experience you've ever had.

My question is, if we could pinpoint "why," would it help us solve the problem?


There are no problems only solutions.

If we can space travel we can solve the poor question.

It is said that a tiny levy on all world financial transactions would go a very long way to doing just that.....but guess what..David Cameron here in the UK doesn't agree....why...Because The City Of London Told Him So.
sure glad there are!
But how do solutions exist without Problems?laugh

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/02/12 12:47 PM


we have the poor for many reasons

lack of hope, being probably number one

poverty tends to recycle poverty and those who arent 'poor' dont tend to favor serious atempts to help the poor raise out of their situation

some have nothing because they will not work
some because they can not
and most, I believe, because there is no real effort by the haves to train the have nots what it is to work 'smart',

working 'smart' wouldnt make other people their money so they rather beat the drums of how much 'harder' people should work instead,,,a;; the while having their own knowledge about working smart so they dont have to work hard,,,and the networks to help them do it.


Who has more influence on school age children?

Parents and their immediate peer group or the so called "haves"?




it depends upon the child, but judging by the billions spent in advertising, Id say peers and media do pretty well at 'influencing' the inexperienced and naive,,,

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Thu 02/02/12 12:49 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 02/02/12 12:51 PM
I don't consider myself to be "poor" but if you took a look at my income and resources I would certainly qualify. My father was dirt poor and he had a father who was an alcoholic. The kids didn't know where their next meal was coming from and didn't have shoes to wear to school. My father got work at the steel Mill and worked hard all his life to support his family, and did farming when he was not working. I am grateful I have a roof over my head and food to eat, a car and a computer.

Even the poor of America have so much more than people in third world countries who don't have running water, live in huts with dirt floors, and go up on the hill to poop. For dinner they have to kill a chicken or a goat. So in comparison, I feel very rich indeed.

And I don't have to kill or pluck the chicken for dinner.







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Thu 02/02/12 12:59 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 02/02/12 01:00 PM
In very capitalists countries you will find the very rich and the very poor. It is because profit to the rich is what is focused on, not so much helping people to live abundant lives.

Corporations want cheaper and cheaper labor so they can make more and bigger profits. Capitalism is a system of profit to the rich.

Lately in America I see more and more cheap goods that are not well built and they are selling for more money. Quality is going down and prices are going up gradually so that people don't really notice so much.

Compatible to the cost of living, wages have gone down rather than up. Prices have gone up... except strangely for technology. Computers are cheaper, cell phones are free with your company sometimes. Yet spaghetti and beans and potatoes are going up in price.

Valuable employees are not paid enough. And some of the top ranking CEO's are paid too much for too little.

Its a screwed up system.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 02/02/12 01:06 PM
Keeps the crooked Politicians in Business!sick ill

InvictusV's photo
Thu 02/02/12 01:08 PM



we have the poor for many reasons

lack of hope, being probably number one

poverty tends to recycle poverty and those who arent 'poor' dont tend to favor serious atempts to help the poor raise out of their situation

some have nothing because they will not work
some because they can not
and most, I believe, because there is no real effort by the haves to train the have nots what it is to work 'smart',

working 'smart' wouldnt make other people their money so they rather beat the drums of how much 'harder' people should work instead,,,a;; the while having their own knowledge about working smart so they dont have to work hard,,,and the networks to help them do it.


Who has more influence on school age children?

Parents and their immediate peer group or the so called "haves"?




it depends upon the child, but judging by the billions spent in advertising, Id say peers and media do pretty well at 'influencing' the inexperienced and naive,,,


I guess that depends on what they watch. If it's MTV then I would say they get inundated with certain stereotypical types of sub culture that don't put an emphasis on doing well in school.. Kids aren't talking about what they watched on the Discovery channel..They are talking about what kind of foolish nonsense they see on the Jersey Shore or the classic Sucka Free weekend..




Optomistic69's photo
Thu 02/02/12 01:09 PM

I don't consider myself to be "poor" but if you took a look at my income and resources I would certainly qualify. My father was dirt poor and he had a father who was an alcoholic. The kids didn't know where their next meal was coming from and didn't have shoes to wear to school. My father got work at the steel Mill and worked hard all his life to support his family, and did farming when he was not working. I am grateful I have a roof over my head and food to eat, a car and a computer.

Even the poor of America have so much more than people in third world countries who don't have running water, live in huts with dirt floors, and go up on the hill to poop. For dinner they have to kill a chicken or a goat. So in comparison, I feel very rich indeed.

And I don't have to kill or pluck the chicken for dinner.










I am not a rich man but I do not need for anything.

There are no poor people in most of Europe.

But there are 2 to 3 billion people in the world that are seriously poor ...millions of those people would die if it weren't for ordinary people donating some of their hard earned money.

I say hard earned money as opposed to soft earned money...in fact I would go as far as to say unearned money....and that is where the problem and solution rests.

InvictusV's photo
Thu 02/02/12 01:56 PM


I don't consider myself to be "poor" but if you took a look at my income and resources I would certainly qualify. My father was dirt poor and he had a father who was an alcoholic. The kids didn't know where their next meal was coming from and didn't have shoes to wear to school. My father got work at the steel Mill and worked hard all his life to support his family, and did farming when he was not working. I am grateful I have a roof over my head and food to eat, a car and a computer.

Even the poor of America have so much more than people in third world countries who don't have running water, live in huts with dirt floors, and go up on the hill to poop. For dinner they have to kill a chicken or a goat. So in comparison, I feel very rich indeed.

And I don't have to kill or pluck the chicken for dinner.










I am not a rich man but I do not need for anything.

There are no poor people in most of Europe.

But there are 2 to 3 billion people in the world that are seriously poor ...millions of those people would die if it weren't for ordinary people donating some of their hard earned money.

I say hard earned money as opposed to soft earned money...in fact I would go as far as to say unearned money....and that is where the problem and solution rests.


what do you consider most of europe?

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 02/02/12 01:58 PM


I don't consider myself to be "poor" but if you took a look at my income and resources I would certainly qualify. My father was dirt poor and he had a father who was an alcoholic. The kids didn't know where their next meal was coming from and didn't have shoes to wear to school. My father got work at the steel Mill and worked hard all his life to support his family, and did farming when he was not working. I am grateful I have a roof over my head and food to eat, a car and a computer.

Even the poor of America have so much more than people in third world countries who don't have running water, live in huts with dirt floors, and go up on the hill to poop. For dinner they have to kill a chicken or a goat. So in comparison, I feel very rich indeed.

And I don't have to kill or pluck the chicken for dinner.










I am not a rich man but I do not need for anything.

There are no poor people in most of Europe.

But there are 2 to 3 billion people in the world that are seriously poor ...millions of those people would die if it weren't for ordinary people donating some of their hard earned money.

I say hard earned money as opposed to soft earned money...in fact I would go as far as to say unearned money....and that is where the problem and solution rests.
Never heard of Romania and other Eastern European Nations?slaphead

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 02/02/12 02:01 PM



I don't consider myself to be "poor" but if you took a look at my income and resources I would certainly qualify. My father was dirt poor and he had a father who was an alcoholic. The kids didn't know where their next meal was coming from and didn't have shoes to wear to school. My father got work at the steel Mill and worked hard all his life to support his family, and did farming when he was not working. I am grateful I have a roof over my head and food to eat, a car and a computer.

Even the poor of America have so much more than people in third world countries who don't have running water, live in huts with dirt floors, and go up on the hill to poop. For dinner they have to kill a chicken or a goat. So in comparison, I feel very rich indeed.

And I don't have to kill or pluck the chicken for dinner.










I am not a rich man but I do not need for anything.

There are no poor people in most of Europe.

But there are 2 to 3 billion people in the world that are seriously poor ...millions of those people would die if it weren't for ordinary people donating some of their hard earned money.

I say hard earned money as opposed to soft earned money...in fact I would go as far as to say unearned money....and that is where the problem and solution rests.
Never heard of Romania and other Eastern European Nations?slaphead



What the **** are you on about..have you a problem reading?

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/02/12 05:55 PM


I don't consider myself to be "poor" but if you took a look at my income and resources I would certainly qualify. My father was dirt poor and he had a father who was an alcoholic. The kids didn't know where their next meal was coming from and didn't have shoes to wear to school. My father got work at the steel Mill and worked hard all his life to support his family, and did farming when he was not working. I am grateful I have a roof over my head and food to eat, a car and a computer.

Even the poor of America have so much more than people in third world countries who don't have running water, live in huts with dirt floors, and go up on the hill to poop. For dinner they have to kill a chicken or a goat. So in comparison, I feel very rich indeed.

And I don't have to kill or pluck the chicken for dinner.










I am not a rich man but I do not need for anything.

There are no poor people in most of Europe.

But there are 2 to 3 billion people in the world that are seriously poor ...millions of those people would die if it weren't for ordinary people donating some of their hard earned money.

I say hard earned money as opposed to soft earned money...in fact I would go as far as to say unearned money....and that is where the problem and solution rests.



I am curious about how you are defining 'poor',, I have visited The UK and saw what appeared to be plenty of poverty.

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 02/02/12 08:45 PM
"In very capitalists countries you will find the very rich and the very poor. It is because profit to the rich is what is focused on, not so much helping people to live abundant lives."

There are poor in all countries. Under Communist rule they are better hidden by the system (unless you are in it... and poor).
Monarchy's have their poor also as do dictatorships, theocracies and most forms of government.

We have poor because we measure trade with money.

When money exists one will allways have those that receive a large part and those that do not.

and the things we need in life will be influenced by that measure.

Because we must trade for them.

However when Government becomes the only hope of the poor that Government will colapse over time. (diminishing returns).

Government must Govern.

Each community should raise up its own poor.

Government can only provide for the General Welfare by governing fairly...



Optomistic69's photo
Fri 02/03/12 04:21 AM




I am curious about how you are defining 'poor',, I have visited The UK and saw what appeared to be plenty of poverty.



Using the EU criteria for poverty Oxfam maintain that there are approx 13 million people in poverty in the UK.

I agree with that criteria and the figures.

I was talking about real poverty in some African Countries for instance.

There are safety nets in the UK for people in bad situations.

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 02/03/12 05:00 AM

"In very capitalists countries you will find the very rich and the very poor. It is because profit to the rich is what is focused on, not so much helping people to live abundant lives."

There are poor in all countries. Under Communist rule they are better hidden by the system (unless you are in it... and poor).
Monarchy's have their poor also as do dictatorships, theocracies and most forms of government.

We have poor because we measure trade with money.

When money exists one will allways have those that receive a large part and those that do not.

and the things we need in life will be influenced by that measure.

Because we must trade for them.

However when Government becomes the only hope of the poor that Government will colapse over time. (diminishing returns).

Government must Govern.

Each community should raise up its own poor.

Government can only provide for the General Welfare by governing fairly...





The last line says most..:thumbsup:

InvictusV's photo
Fri 02/03/12 05:03 AM





I am curious about how you are defining 'poor',, I have visited The UK and saw what appeared to be plenty of poverty.



Using the EU criteria for poverty Oxfam maintain that there are approx 13 million people in poverty in the UK.

I agree with that criteria and the figures.

I was talking about real poverty in some African Countries for instance.

There are safety nets in the UK for people in bad situations.


There is a difference between impoverished and poor.

You can travel throughout Europe and see plenty of poor people.

I was amazed to see the living conditions in Southern Italy..


Optomistic69's photo
Fri 02/03/12 05:05 AM






I am curious about how you are defining 'poor',, I have visited The UK and saw what appeared to be plenty of poverty.



Using the EU criteria for poverty Oxfam maintain that there are approx 13 million people in poverty in the UK.

I agree with that criteria and the figures.

I was talking about real poverty in some African Countries for instance.

There are safety nets in the UK for people in bad situations.


There is a difference between impoverished and poor.

You can travel throughout Europe and see plenty of poor people.

I was amazed to see the living conditions in Southern Italy..




I agree with you.waving

msharmony's photo
Fri 02/03/12 07:25 AM





I am curious about how you are defining 'poor',, I have visited The UK and saw what appeared to be plenty of poverty.



Using the EU criteria for poverty Oxfam maintain that there are approx 13 million people in poverty in the UK.

I agree with that criteria and the figures.

I was talking about real poverty in some African Countries for instance.

There are safety nets in the UK for people in bad situations.



oh,,, 'real' poverty,,,

ok

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 02/03/12 07:39 AM






I am curious about how you are defining 'poor',, I have visited The UK and saw what appeared to be plenty of poverty.



Using the EU criteria for poverty Oxfam maintain that there are approx 13 million people in poverty in the UK.

I agree with that criteria and the figures.

I was talking about real poverty in some African Countries for instance.

There are safety nets in the UK for people in bad situations.



oh,,, 'real' poverty,,,

ok


According to the EU criteria for Poverty...I am poor.