Topic: Bible Question
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Wed 02/01/12 09:22 AM



[Why spend each day sitting on the fence making a mockery and a joke of what someone else wants to believe no matter how ridiculous? After all, at least they have a belief that is their own; whether it derived from something or nothing; it is still their own.


I wonder if the Jews said that same about hitler.....

hey don't pay attention to what that guy Hitler believes...it's not like his belief can kill us...so let's just go on with our lives and pay no attention to him


...and pray tell, what was Hitler's religious belief?
Christian-Catholic actually!

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Wed 02/01/12 09:27 AM




[Why spend each day sitting on the fence making a mockery and a joke of what someone else wants to believe no matter how ridiculous? After all, at least they have a belief that is their own; whether it derived from something or nothing; it is still their own.


I wonder if the Jews said that same about hitler.....

hey don't pay attention to what that guy Hitler believes...it's not like his belief can kill us...so let's just go on with our lives and pay no attention to him


...and pray tell, what was Hitler's religious belief?
Christian-Catholic actually!


..topped with a mixture of various political views.

Hey, I guess you made my point for me again, Funches?

It's better to have a belief in something rather than sit on the fence and have multiple opinions on everyone else's views.

He says Christian
Spider says, I believe it was Muslim?

Historians can't even agree on what his solid political view was.

Anti-Semitism, no nationalist, anti-capitalism.. no not that either.. etc etc etc

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Wed 02/01/12 09:30 AM



His belief wasn't just 'one persons belief' that could have destroyed the world.


as I said it only takes one belief to destory the world ...one belief share by the many or the few or the one

so next time you start with the speech that everyone is entitled to their beliefs....remember Hitler


..ok.

I'll still say it again, just so you know.


well what I actually want to know is the question you ran away from

"do you or your family feel that it's ok to knowingly sleep with your cousins?

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Wed 02/01/12 09:38 AM





[Why spend each day sitting on the fence making a mockery and a joke of what someone else wants to believe no matter how ridiculous? After all, at least they have a belief that is their own; whether it derived from something or nothing; it is still their own.


I wonder if the Jews said that same about hitler.....

hey don't pay attention to what that guy Hitler believes...it's not like his belief can kill us...so let's just go on with our lives and pay no attention to him


...and pray tell, what was Hitler's religious belief?
Christian-Catholic actually!


..topped with a mixture of various political views.

Hey, I guess you made my point for me again, Funches?

It's better to have a belief in something rather than sit on the fence and have multiple opinions on everyone else's views.

He says Christian
Spider says, I believe it was Muslim?

Historians can't even agree on what his solid political view was.

Anti-Semitism, no nationalist, anti-capitalism.. no not that either.. etc etc etc


No, I said that Hitler encouraged his followers to become Muslims. Look it up, it's a fact.

Hitler being a Catholic at some point in his life is a non-sequitor. Hitler espoused positive Christianity, which was a twisted version of Christianity that was mingled with beliefs in the superiority of the Aryan race.

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Wed 02/01/12 09:40 AM

It's better to have a belief in something rather than sit on the fence and have multiple opinions on everyone else's views.


a belief is nothing but a thought...but when people start trying to claim that their beliefs are true with no proof that it is true is what cause all the problems in the world

people wish to believe or claim everyone is entitle to practice their beliefs but yet are not willing to take resposnibility for what they believe or their beliefs

so yes you can have beliefs...but try not to kill or harm others with them

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Wed 02/01/12 09:43 AM




His belief wasn't just 'one persons belief' that could have destroyed the world.


as I said it only takes one belief to destory the world ...one belief share by the many or the few or the one

so next time you start with the speech that everyone is entitled to their beliefs....remember Hitler


..ok.

I'll still say it again, just so you know.


well what I actually want to know is the question you ran away from

"do you or your family feel that it's ok to knowingly sleep with your cousins?


No. Eff you.

You answer my questions for once, instead of always acting like I;m the one avoiding chit.

Until then....

Meh, wth, I can't leave it like that cause then, with the way your brain works you'll process it as, 'Oh he does, that's why he's avoiding it.'

So, let me slap you with some knowledge on why this comparison is AGAIN not going to work.

1. No we don't promote nor believe in sleeping with any relative, cousin, sister, uncle, half-cousin, or otherwise.

Why does this statement not matter?

2. We are not Christian.

Therefore.

3. The statement I made relating to the Bible and cousins is null and void because we do not believe in the Bible to begin with.

Which leads me to point

4. How is it that you take the side of 'a group of people' denoted by your statements that always seem to include well other people will say and, however, when I take that broad range, you make it personal?

Hypocrisy much?

This takes me back to a previous point which will now be labeled as

5. Why don't you ever pick your own effing side?

You called God a three-headed being....

...kettle...black...

Mr. I'm Atheist, Theist, and Agnostic all at the same time.

So, while you figure out a ridiculous and hopeless reply; I've got work to do.

Laterz.

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Wed 02/01/12 09:46 AM






[Why spend each day sitting on the fence making a mockery and a joke of what someone else wants to believe no matter how ridiculous? After all, at least they have a belief that is their own; whether it derived from something or nothing; it is still their own.


I wonder if the Jews said that same about hitler.....

hey don't pay attention to what that guy Hitler believes...it's not like his belief can kill us...so let's just go on with our lives and pay no attention to him


...and pray tell, what was Hitler's religious belief?
Christian-Catholic actually!


..topped with a mixture of various political views.

Hey, I guess you made my point for me again, Funches?

It's better to have a belief in something rather than sit on the fence and have multiple opinions on everyone else's views.

He says Christian
Spider says, I believe it was Muslim?

Historians can't even agree on what his solid political view was.

Anti-Semitism, no nationalist, anti-capitalism.. no not that either.. etc etc etc


No, I said that Hitler encouraged his followers to become Muslims. Look it up, it's a fact.

Hitler being a Catholic at some point in his life is a non-sequitor. Hitler espoused positive Christianity, which was a twisted version of Christianity that was mingled with beliefs in the superiority of the Aryan race.


Ok, Spidey, calm down. Don't web me to death.

My point was, that he had various beliefs on several fronts, not one solidified one. Taking your word for it, he was that, and something else prior; whatever, politically, his views changed like diapers on a newborn.

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Wed 02/01/12 09:55 AM

Ok, Spidey, calm down. Don't web me to death.


I'm not angry. You don't want to see me when I'm angry.




My point was, that he had various beliefs on several fronts, not one solidified one. Taking your word for it, he was that, and something else prior; whatever, politically, his views changed like diapers on a newborn.


I'm not sure that I agree with that. It seems to me that Hitler had a fairly consistent world view based on German mysticism and positive Christianity. It was an insane and bigoted world view, but I don't see any indication that it changed. From what his inner circle said, he hated Christianity and simply used it to further his goals. It could lead to confusion, because he did speak one way of Christianity in public and speak of it in a completely different way in private.

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Wed 02/01/12 10:04 AM





His belief wasn't just 'one persons belief' that could have destroyed the world.


as I said it only takes one belief to destory the world ...one belief share by the many or the few or the one

so next time you start with the speech that everyone is entitled to their beliefs....remember Hitler


..ok.

I'll still say it again, just so you know.


well what I actually want to know is the question you ran away from

"do you or your family feel that it's ok to knowingly sleep with your cousins?


No. Eff you.


Dude don't get mad at me...you claim that cousins were not close relatives and that it was ok to have sex with them .....

I will thinking maybe your family had the same philosophy as those families in "The Hills Have Eyes" movies





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Wed 02/01/12 10:13 AM

Dude don't get mad at me...you claim that cousins were not close relatives and that it was ok to have sex with them .....

I will thinking maybe your family had the same philosophy as those families in "The Hills Have Eyes" movies


Actually, according to geneticists, first cousins only have a 2-3% higher chance of deformities than total strangers have. To get terribly deformed children, you would have to be closer, like brother and sister.

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Wed 02/01/12 10:17 AM

do you or your family feel that it's ok to knowingly sleep with your cousins?


No. Eff you.

You answer my questions for once, instead of always acting like I;m the one avoiding chit.

Until then....

Meh, wth, I can't leave it like that cause then, with the way your brain works you'll process it as, 'Oh he does, that's why he's avoiding it.'

So, let me slap you with some knowledge on why this comparison is AGAIN not going to work.

1. No we don't promote nor believe in sleeping with any relative, cousin, sister, uncle, half-cousin, or otherwise.

Why does this statement not matter?

2. We are not Christian.

Therefore.

3. The statement I made relating to the Bible and cousins is null and void because we do not believe in the Bible to begin with.

Which leads me to point

4. How is it that you take the side of 'a group of people' denoted by your statements that always seem to include well other people will say and, however, when I take that broad range, you make it personal?

Hypocrisy much?

This takes me back to a previous point which will now be labeled as

5. Why don't you ever pick your own effing side?

You called God a three-headed being....

...kettle...black...

Mr. I'm Atheist, Theist, and Agnostic all at the same time.

So, while you figure out a ridiculous and hopeless reply; I've got work to do.

Laterz.


In the mean time....it's a simple question....I'll weigh in...

Although I cannot speak for my family as a whole, I can speak for myself...

First cousin marriages can be, and often are, ideal....The only problem I see with them is inbreeding causing birth defects and that is no where near the risk factor most might think...The big problems with inbreeding resulting in birth defects comes when inbreeding is "sustained" generation after generation (layering) because, over time, this erodes genetic diversity ....I am not saying there is not a risk of birth defects occurring with inbreeding, but unrelated couples face approximately the same amount of risk due to genetic predisposition factors....Sooooooooooo, speaking for myself, I have no problem with first cousin marriages ...to each his own....

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Wed 02/01/12 10:19 AM


Dude don't get mad at me...you claim that cousins were not close relatives and that it was ok to have sex with them .....

I will thinking maybe your family had the same philosophy as those families in "The Hills Have Eyes" movies


Actually, according to geneticists, first cousins only have a 2-3% higher chance of deformities than total strangers have. To get terribly deformed children, you would have to be closer, like brother and sister.


Adam and Eve were closer than that

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Wed 02/01/12 10:21 AM



Dude don't get mad at me...you claim that cousins were not close relatives and that it was ok to have sex with them .....

I will thinking maybe your family had the same philosophy as those families in "The Hills Have Eyes" movies


Actually, according to geneticists, first cousins only have a 2-3% higher chance of deformities than total strangers have. To get terribly deformed children, you would have to be closer, like brother and sister.


Adam and Eve were closer than that


Deformities are caused by defective genes. Adam and Eve had no defective genes and neither did their children for many generations, which is why they were able to have normal children.

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Wed 02/01/12 10:22 AM



Dude don't get mad at me...you claim that cousins were not close relatives and that it was ok to have sex with them .....

I will thinking maybe your family had the same philosophy as those families in "The Hills Have Eyes" movies


Actually, according to geneticists, first cousins only have a 2-3% higher chance of deformities than total strangers have. To get terribly deformed children, you would have to be closer, like brother and sister.


Adam and Eve were closer than that


Maybe not, there was no layering......

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Wed 02/01/12 10:28 AM




Dude don't get mad at me...you claim that cousins were not close relatives and that it was ok to have sex with them .....

I will thinking maybe your family had the same philosophy as those families in "The Hills Have Eyes" movies


Actually, according to geneticists, first cousins only have a 2-3% higher chance of deformities than total strangers have. To get terribly deformed children, you would have to be closer, like brother and sister.


Adam and Eve were closer than that


Deformities are caused by defective genes. Adam and Eve had no defective genes and neither did their children for many generations, which is why they were able to have normal children.


so if the children are born with no genetic defects then having sex with family member isn't imbreeding...but if there are genetic defects then it is imbreeding ....is this your logic?

how about to be on the safe side...simply not imbreed

but my point to all of this is that God deem incest to be a sin and at the same time condemn all of Mankind when it was him that first gave the command to Adam and Eve to imbreed

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Wed 02/01/12 10:36 AM
Edited by funches on Wed 02/01/12 10:36 AM




Dude don't get mad at me...you claim that cousins were not close relatives and that it was ok to have sex with them .....

I will thinking maybe your family had the same philosophy as those families in "The Hills Have Eyes" movies


Actually, according to geneticists, first cousins only have a 2-3% higher chance of deformities than total strangers have. To get terribly deformed children, you would have to be closer, like brother and sister.


Adam and Eve were closer than that



Maybe not, there was no layering......


didn't President Clinton try to use that excuse

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Wed 02/01/12 10:43 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 02/01/12 10:58 AM

so if the children are born with no genetic defects then having sex with family member isn't imbreeding...but if there are genetic defects then it is imbreeding ....is this your logic?


I never said that. Inbreeding is mating between two closely related people.


how about to be on the safe side...simply not imbreed


Good advice, I won't.


but my point to all of this is that God deem incest to be a sin and at the same time condemn all of Mankind when it was him that first gave the command to Adam and Eve to imbreed


God didn't declare inbreeding a sin until the time of Moses. The reason is that until that time, the amount of defective genes hadn't reached the point that close relations had a higher chance of producing deformed children. Up until that time, there was no greater danger of deformed children from these sorts of marriages.

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Wed 02/01/12 10:56 AM





Dude don't get mad at me...you claim that cousins were not close relatives and that it was ok to have sex with them .....

I will thinking maybe your family had the same philosophy as those families in "The Hills Have Eyes" movies


Actually, according to geneticists, first cousins only have a 2-3% higher chance of deformities than total strangers have. To get terribly deformed children, you would have to be closer, like brother and sister.


Adam and Eve were closer than that



Maybe not, there was no layering......


didn't President Clinton try to use that excuse



He meant no penetration...A word which was too difficult for him to pronounce so he shortened it to sex not realizing that a blow job constitutes sex....flowerforyou

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Wed 02/01/12 10:59 AM


so if the children are born with no genetic defects then having sex with family member isn't imbreeding...but if there are genetic defects then it is imbreeding ....is this your logic?


I never said that. Inbreeding is mating between two closely related people.


how about to be on the safe side...simply not imbreed


Good advice, I won't.


but my point to all of this is that God deem incest to be a sin and at the same time condemn all of Mankind when it was him that first gave the command to Adam and Eve to imbreed


God didn't declare inbreeding a sin until the time of Moses. The reason is that until that time, the amount of defective genes hadn't reached the that close relations had a higher chance of producing deformed children. Up until that point, there was no greater danger of deformed children from these sorts of marriages.


No, inbreeding is not mating, it is reproduction ...mating is having intercourse...

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Wed 02/01/12 11:06 AM

No, inbreeding is not mating, it is reproduction ...mating is having intercourse...



Inbreeding

the mating of closely related individuals, as cousins, sire-daughter, brother-sister, or self-fertilized plants, which tends to increase the number of individuals that are homozygous for a trait and therefore increases the appearance of recessive traits.


Maybe you should correct the guys who write the dictionaries instead of me, I'm just their latest victim.