Mon 01/23/12 10:14 PM

Members of the Occupy Wall Street movement urinated on a cross, desecrated a church and threw Bibles at police officers in separate incidents over the weekend.

Protesters in San Francisco occupied an abandoned hotel and began attacking police – hurling bricks and Bibles at officers.

“Once they gained access [to the hotel], some of them made it to the top of the roof and they began to throw Bibles down at the officers,” San Francisco Police Dept. spokesman Carlos Manfredi told ABC News.

Several officers were injured in the attack.

In New York City, Occupy protesters allegedly urinated on a cross inside a Brooklyn church.

“An occupier peed inside the building and the pee came into contact with a cross,” wrote Rabbi Chaim Gruber in a note to the New York Post.

The Occupy Wall Street movement has a history of participants urinating and defecating in public.

The group has also been accused of desecrating West Park Presbyterian Church. The pastor ordered 60 protesters to leave the sanctuary after someone stole a bronze lid from the $12,500 baptismal font.

“It was like pissing on the 99 percent,” an angry Rev. Bob Brashear told the New York Post.

The pastor supports the Occupy movement – but is outraged over their behavior.

“Even in the 1980s when we had a lot of crack addicts etc. in the neighborhood, and even robbing people in the church, that particular religious symbol had never really been disturbed before,” the pastor told CBS News. “I tried to make it clear that I don’t believe in collective punishment but I do believe in collective accountability and responsibility.”

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/occupiers-urinate-on-cross-throw-bibles.html

Throw them all in jail.

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Tue 01/24/12 06:09 AM

What I learned from this article:

How dare the journalist blame the members of "Occupy wall street" for these alleged criminal acts.

Members of the Occupy Wall Street movement can only be identified by seeing them occupy Wall street. If they are occupying other than Wall street, they are not members of the Occupy Wall Street. Because, basically, there is no formal membership in that sect. Nobody carries a membership card. There are no membership lists. There are no membership privileges and duties. There are no badges, like with the army or the Crips. They are individuals. Sewing the name "members of the Occupy Wall Street" on any group who does anything, is a seriously criminal misnaming of individuals. It's like calling Black people "White supremacists" if a black person burns a cross. Stupid shiiit man, this idiotic journalist was who wrote the article. You can't blame "Occupy wall Street" coz someone pisses in a church, for Christ's sake.

SF cops are made of butter. They get injured and need medical attention when a bible is thrown at them from a roof top.

If some beggar or vagrant pees in church, and the piss, already on the floor, flows down and touches a cross, to the journalist it's the same as "pissing on the cross." This is misuse of the language, it is a deliberate misuse or a moronic misunderstanding of what words mean. Aside from that, the old beggar or bag lady who lets her urine out, is now the proud member all of a sudden of "Occupy Wall Street", only because she did an act that can be called mean (by error or by deliberate mistake) and therefore can be associated with the Occupy Wall Street movement (without any real reason, or logic, or any association, other than "bad" which in the journalist's mind is now totally equivalent to "occupy wall street".)

The lid stolen from tha $12,500 font does not mean the lid itself is worth that much. The lid can be worth only $3 on the black market. Copper or Bronze is nothing. It is a semi-precious metal, worth seven cents an ounce in scrap metal. That's A. B. is that "even in the eighties we had stuff stolen, and crack addicts robbed the church goers during service, but we never had THIS particular relic stolen" -- so what. This is nothing.

“It was like pissing on the 99 percent,” an angry Rev. Bob Brashear told the New York Post. What about that "99 percent". 99 percent of what? It's like people pissing on the ninety-nine percent. Of what? Ninety nine percent of journalistic stupidity? I surely piss on stupid jouranalism, too. And would piss on stupid journalists, too, if it weren't against the law.

And wtf is a rabbi doing in a church? He was the one who reported the incident. WTF?

This is worse journalism than anyhting I've seen before. It's stupid, nonsensical, and downright malicious, and then it teeters into the unbelievable -- like rabbis in churches.

And most of you react to it, whether you agree with it or not, as if it were true as the bible.

Jesus fukking Christ.
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Question: how often do you, as a person, fall for stupid reporting, distorted reporting, by stupid journalists?

Question: how often do you, as a person, apply critical analysis on the facts, the spirit and the tactics of journalistic reporting?

Qusetion: how often do you, as a person, read an article and look into the meaning first, instead of looking at the values that the piece of journalism reflects, AND
how often do you try to string a connection between the reported facts and the values as put forth by the journalist,
BEFORE you try to measure up whehter the reported article is supporting those values, or FALSELY supporting those values?

The comparison of the facts of the report, their evaluation for usefulness to support an argument, and then seeing how they are tied to an argument, are VERY important to me.

You, as a nation, have shown in another thread that used the same report as part of its topic, that you don't give a damn about things like "logic" or "connectedness with reason" at all.

You, as a nation, have been dumbed down by your educators enough to go blindly past such blatantly false reports, ignore the facts, and go and argue over the values only, which have nothing to do with the article, since the article is completely misinforming.

You, as a nation, have learned to become automatically duped by rhetoric, and to follow wherever the wind blows you;
You, as a nation, have learned to stupify yourselves and spew hatred in every direction you can;
You, as a nation, therefore, can be lead to war against anyone whom your leaders tell you are danger to you, because your critical analytical abilities are zero, nil, zilch.

If you learned to read with a watchful eye, I guess your social order would fall, the social order of your society, because your social order is based on unified thinking, on stamping out differentness, on streaming the nation as a sheep to believe everything your leaders tell you.

Americans' biggest enemy is the fearsome and hated "reasonable thought", the loathsome and completely foreign "logic", the devil-spawned and biblically abonimable "mindful living".

One.

I laughed reading it.

Two.

I'm not sure why you started a new thread with this?

Three.

Why do you seem so angry?

Four.

I agree with most of what you said.

Except the fact you generalized 'everyone'.

So, in conclusion...

Preach on, Wux, preach on.

Just a bunch of young people that have no experience in life.

hurling bricks and bibles

umm, sorry

Seriously, I don't condone any violence,
NONE...from the protesters or the cops.

"Americans' biggest enemy is the fearsome and hated "reasonable thought", the loathsome and completely foreign "logic", the devil-spawned and biblically abonimable "mindful living".

Yup...times are changing though.

Really.....ya think?

You'd be surprised!

Yeah,for the most part.

When I was younger, I believed in a lot of causes though I never joined an activist movement. The reason for the latter was that when I began doing research - when I became informed - I realized that there is a certain cult-like mentality amongst many activist groups. They purposely recruit people age 18 - 24. These young people are "expendable". They are righteous and often a bit unworldly. They often are impressionable and malleable. They often are rebellious, looking for a cause to focus their youthful angst. Many of these young people will leave the movement as they mature, gaining a different perspective or losing their passion. Maybe they become disenchanted because being "on the inside" opens their eyes...

Many outspoken activist groups use a subtle form of brainwashing, spreading misinformation or manipulating words like this article has done to produce an emotion rather than a rational response. When you cast a skeptical eye on their "info" and do your own research, you stumble upon the truth, uncovering the outrageous claims and irrational arguments passed down by older members of the activist organization. It's the typical "rebel without a clue" syndrome. They are so righteous in their cause that they have shut their minds to the truth....creating their own truth in its place.

In fairness, not all activists are like this, but those who make the most noise often are. They drown out the more sensible and knowledgeable activists with all their noise and "all publicity is good publicity" mentality.

With this happening, is it any wonder that so many activist groups are the butt of jokes and/or have been ineffective on a policy level?

I almost joined the "inside" but I knew two people already there....I took in what they experienced, and questioned it. I then applied the same skepticism to other causes I considered. In the end, I am glad I chose not to join any of those groups. I wouldn't be the same person if I did. In fact, I probably would have become an @$$hole.

..and this comes from a fat a** trust-fund baby himself.

Kettle. Black.

Who the f*** is he to call a war veteran a nobody? o.o

His fat a** couldn't even graduate college, you flipping flunky.
Oh sorry.. 'drop-out'.

He.
Is.
A.
Big.
Lard.
Of.
Hypocrisy.

He supports causes that cost the lives of Americans.
Wars in which, outside of morality, we had no business being involved in and, coincidentally, are still involved in.

So eff you, you tub of lard, eff you.

Who are you talking to, this old man?

..cause I'm sure that 80-year old with a walker took out some cops with his bible tossing. I mean, look at those flabby cannons!

..yeah cause he's fat. :/

No. The man who said the stupid quote on it.

Just clarifying...

Rush is an idiot, universal knowledge.

I just wanna hug this ole war vet when
I look at this picture.
Bless his heart...

Okay guys...

Enough of the soap-boxing.

You are asking us to create a generalized image based on a single photo of an old man with a walker. This is a classic disinformation propaganda tactic.

I'm not going to throw out all my knowledge and life experience based on just one photo, nor just because someone disagrees.

The REAL problem with our society is that we have become one based on "spin". Everyone is feeding everyone else a load of b.s. Everyone is trying to take advantage of everyone else by pulling the wool over each other's eyes.

There is no grand conspiracy, just a dog-eat-dog world where everyone is out to screw everyone else before they get screwed themselves.

We're just too busy pointing fingers to see that.

I'm not going to get into a big discussion of it because then I would have to dive into a big discourse on the many layers of society and how they each influence the actions of the others. That would be long and exhaustive, and none of you would want to spend that much time reading and discussing it anyway. I know I sure don't. I would rather just encourage people to view things from a different perspective than their own so maybe they could alter their own view themselves.

And Rush Limbaugh sucks moose ****.

..while I agree with everything you said.

These two lines stuck out the most.

This movement is ALL over the place, research it for yourself. No one should make any judgement based on what others say or post as far as pictures.

Jesus...

They are all over the world. They have global history of causing problems. They have an incohesive agenda.

Even more, their global movement is based on a conspiracy theory which they modify from country to country.

What most people are seeing about this movement is just the U.S. version.

So yeah...

I've already researched it.



I have to get offline....the weather conditions are messing with my signal. I keep losing and then having to reset my connection.

There possibly have been several Groups!
And the one in the Pic definitely doesn't earn my respect!
That Veteran is a whole different kind from those Occupiers.

...so if sign makers go on strike and protest..

...?

I find it interesting that Americans have encouraged and approve of other places uprising and fighting for their rights in a corrupt government...(in general)yet we don't approve of our own revolution.

Have we gotten complacent or do we really believe we have no reasons to complain, maybe just a lack of understanding.
Or a combination of all.

...Don't generalize me, please.

One. I don't approve of them doing it, truth is, I don't give a chit about what they do or don't do.

Two. I want a revolution.