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Topic: Omniscience
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Mon 01/23/12 08:06 PM





Omniscience ( /ɒmˈnɪʃəns/;[1] omniscient point-of-view in writing) is the capacity to know everything infinitely, or at least everything that can be known about a character including thoughts, feelings, life and the universe, etc. In Latin, omnis means "all" and sciens means "knowing". Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.

So my question is how do I have free will if God already knows everything about my past present and future?


Yes you do have free will. Your actions from this day forward is unknown. It can not be known, for you have free will.


Of course God knows the future Cowboy



If every step of your life in the future is foreknown, why would we be allowed to have a life? What would be the point? And how would it be righteous to have a "judgement" when all your actions were already predetermined?


Your actions aren't predetermined. God knows what you will do, because you will do those actions. God knows the future. If you didn't exist, then God wouldn't know what you would do.


..cause if you didn't exist; how could you do anything.

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Mon 01/23/12 08:07 PM

Omniscience ( /ɒmˈnɪʃəns/;[1] omniscient point-of-view in writing) is the capacity to know everything infinitely, or at least everything that can be known about a character including thoughts, feelings, life and the universe, etc. In Latin, omnis means "all" and sciens means "knowing". Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.

So my question is how do I have free will if God already knows everything about my past present and future?



Its a complex subject, but knowing doesnt require manipulation.

IF I watch a movie, I will then know everything that is going to happen. If I Watch it again with someeone who hasnt seen it, I still am just as aware of what is going to happen, although I am doing nothing and have done nothing to interfere with or manipulate it. And the person beside me will still have YET to see what will be.

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Mon 01/23/12 08:14 PM






Omniscience ( /ɒmˈnɪʃəns/;[1] omniscient point-of-view in writing) is the capacity to know everything infinitely, or at least everything that can be known about a character including thoughts, feelings, life and the universe, etc. In Latin, omnis means "all" and sciens means "knowing". Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.

So my question is how do I have free will if God already knows everything about my past present and future?


Yes you do have free will. Your actions from this day forward is unknown. It can not be known, for you have free will.


Of course God knows the future Cowboy



If every step of your life in the future is foreknown, why would we be allowed to have a life? What would be the point? And how would it be righteous to have a "judgement" when all your actions were already predetermined?


Your actions aren't predetermined. God knows what you will do, because you will do those actions. God knows the future. If you didn't exist, then God wouldn't know what you would do.


..cause if you didn't exist; how could you do anything.


Exactly. Omniscience means God knows everything that is true. If you didn't live, then God couldn't know what you would do.

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Mon 01/23/12 08:17 PM


Omniscience ( /ɒmˈnɪʃəns/;[1] omniscient point-of-view in writing) is the capacity to know everything infinitely, or at least everything that can be known about a character including thoughts, feelings, life and the universe, etc. In Latin, omnis means "all" and sciens means "knowing". Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.

So my question is how do I have free will if God already knows everything about my past present and future?



Its a complex subject, but knowing doesnt require manipulation.

IF I watch a movie, I will then know everything that is going to happen. If I Watch it again with someeone who hasnt seen it, I still am just as aware of what is going to happen, although I am doing nothing and have done nothing to interfere with or manipulate it. And the person beside me will still have YET to see what will be.


Maybe it's not the best analogy, comparing God to a CD or VHS tape, however, the concept is on point and runs with what I said.

Scenario:

You see a little girl standing in the center of the street.

You see a speeding bus that has a driver not paying attention.

You can already predict how this scenario will play out; however..

If you jump out and save the girl; you just altered the destined course of action.

If you stand by and simply watch; you let it simply happen.

Knowing what will happen is not the same as altering free will.
Once you change something, then you altered.

So, if God does exist, he could possibly know everything, and ultimately does little if anything to alter the course in which things are already set into motion.

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Mon 01/23/12 08:17 PM







Omniscience ( /ɒmˈnɪʃəns/;[1] omniscient point-of-view in writing) is the capacity to know everything infinitely, or at least everything that can be known about a character including thoughts, feelings, life and the universe, etc. In Latin, omnis means "all" and sciens means "knowing". Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.

So my question is how do I have free will if God already knows everything about my past present and future?


Yes you do have free will. Your actions from this day forward is unknown. It can not be known, for you have free will.


Of course God knows the future Cowboy



If every step of your life in the future is foreknown, why would we be allowed to have a life? What would be the point? And how would it be righteous to have a "judgement" when all your actions were already predetermined?


Your actions aren't predetermined. God knows what you will do, because you will do those actions. God knows the future. If you didn't exist, then God wouldn't know what you would do.


..cause if you didn't exist; how could you do anything.


Exactly. Omniscience means God knows everything that is true. If you didn't live, then God couldn't know what you would do.


God is omnipotent. God knows everything. If you have not done the action yet, what is there to know? Nothing, for it has not happened yet.

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Mon 01/23/12 08:22 PM

I've heard and read multiple answers to this question...none have been satisfactory to me thus far. I don't believe in free will. I don't understand how god or any other super being knows of all present and future atrocities but still let them happen. I will never get it.


I just re-read your statement.

You don't believe in free will. but also believe
God still let's the atrocities happen.

Let me ask you something..
If you believe in God, you must (even if partially) believe in the bible. So, with those two assumptions cleared.

Why, if you were God, would you bother helping us and altering our courses through history and the future? We killed your son in one of the most heinous of ways, we spit on your name, and even waged wars in your name in which you, yourself, may or may not have wanted any part in.

Why would you stop us from destroying ourselves?

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Mon 01/23/12 08:30 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Mon 01/23/12 08:42 PM

God is omnipotent. God knows everything. If you have not done the action yet, what is there to know? Nothing, for it has not happened yet.


God exists outside of time. God has seen everything that will happen, because God is not constrained by time as we are.

EDIT: God doesn't know everything because of some magic power, God knows everything because he's already seen everything. You are living your life, because you must in order for God to judge you.

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Mon 01/23/12 08:34 PM

Exactly. Omniscience means God knows everything that is true. If you didn't live, then God couldn't know what you would do.



Holy crap, Spida-man..

We agree twice in one day!

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