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Topic: The Problem With Evolution?
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Thu 02/09/12 07:28 AM



You make it as though he 'evolved' into gaining them, but where's it state that he didn't already have them?


the bible makes reference that he has them...my question was why do he need them if they are not a result of evolution





..and I answered that.


no...you suggested that he was "created" with them ...so exactly who "created" him with arms and legs

but anyway...my question was why would God need arms and legs?

if you don't have a reasonable explanation...then just say "Evolution"

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Thu 02/09/12 07:32 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 02/09/12 07:33 AM




You make it as though he 'evolved' into gaining them, but where's it state that he didn't already have them?


the bible makes reference that he has them...my question was why do he need them if they are not a result of evolution





..and I answered that.


no...you suggested that he was "created" with them ...so exactly who "created" him with arms and legs

but anyway...my question was why would God need arms and legs?

if you don't have a reasonable explanation...then just say "Evolution"


Why wouldn't he have arms, legs, ect? And God wasn't created, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God.

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Thu 02/09/12 07:38 AM

Not true. "Adam" is not a singular noun. It's translates into MANKIND. It is a singular noun as a title for all of mankind which is plural, not one person. ...


sorry Cowboy.... but the states that God made a man....not Men

which means:

Adam is a name of a man...not the name of a Race of Men

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Thu 02/09/12 07:42 AM

Why wouldn't he have arms, legs, ect?


jeez...maybe if I type it on my keyboard real slow or all in caps you will get the question...but anyway

I'm not disputing that God has arms and legs....I'm asking why would he need them


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Thu 02/09/12 07:44 AM

And God wasn't created, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God.


well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....

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Thu 02/09/12 08:01 AM




You make it as though he 'evolved' into gaining them, but where's it state that he didn't already have them?


the bible makes reference that he has them...my question was why do he need them if they are not a result of evolution





..and I answered that.


no...you suggested that he was "created" with them ...so exactly who "created" him with arms and legs

but anyway...my question was why would God need arms and legs?

if you don't have a reasonable explanation...then just say "Evolution"


..and you are suggesting he was "created" without.

So, what's the difference?

..and who then said he 'needs' them?

Even in Mythology. Some fiction-based ideals.

"Gods" evolved.

The Legacy of Kain and Soul Reaver is a perfect example.

In that world, the races of both Kain and Raziel (Soul Reaver) were deemed Gods, because they could not die. Even that God of Gods, would eventually have 'evolved' into something even far more powerful. This idea is what actually forged the idea for Soul Reaver.

Raziel would gain his evolution (this case being wings) before their leader, Kain. In anger and jealousy, Kain tore the wings from Raziel's body and tossed him into the Pool of Oblivion.

Therefore, the idea of a God 'evolving' isn't unorthodox; it would be more natural.

Regardless, you say it's against the teachings, or whatever, for God to evolve. Fine. However, you also wish to state that if a logical explanation cannot be given, to simply accept your concept of evolution. That's a$$nine since you cannot prove otherwise and again take no particular side but hold the viewpoints from all.

I'm not out to please each and every belief. That's why it's called my belief. Because at best, I have my own.

Whether God has arms, legs, tentacles, or mechanical grabbers...
..who cares and what does it even matter?

I say he was 'born' with them. There's an issue to a 1/3rd of you.
I say he doesn't have them.. There's an issue with another third.
I say he evolved them. There's an issue with the last third of you.

Anyone who claims to take the stance of three sides, has no stance.
Having no stance is the same as being unable to think for yourself.
Ridiculing someone else's thoughts and/or beliefs..
..that's the very definition of pathetic.

So he has arms, he has legs. He didn't evolve them nor was he 'created' with them. So, he just has them. Does he need them? No, but what his want for them has to do with his actual having them; I've no clue.

But as I said before, if he had no arms or no legs, and then built us in his image.. neither would we.

Every God or God-like entity, throughout history, has always been depicted as walking around on legs, carrying weapons of insurmountable power in their hands. It's never been a question as to why, they just do.

So, what's the problem? Why must I prove something to you that cannot be proven, yet you simply state something which you yourself cannot prove. I say he just has them, you want proof. First, prove to me why it's so illogical for him to have them; whether evolved or otherwise.

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Thu 02/09/12 08:05 AM


Not true. "Adam" is not a singular noun. It's translates into MANKIND. It is a singular noun as a title for all of mankind which is plural, not one person. ...


sorry Cowboy.... but the states that God made a man....not Men

which means:

Adam is a name of a man...not the name of a Race of Men


..again, humanizing God.

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Thu 02/09/12 08:05 AM


Why wouldn't he have arms, legs, ect?


jeez...maybe if I type it on my keyboard real slow or all in caps you will get the question...but anyway

I'm not disputing that God has arms and legs....I'm asking why would he need them




..who said he has a 'need' for them?

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Thu 02/09/12 08:06 AM


And God wasn't created, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God.


well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....


..the Bible depicts God to have an age?

Where?

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Thu 02/09/12 08:15 AM

But as I said before, if he had no arms or no legs, and then built us in his image.. neither would we.


again I'm not disputing that God has arms and legs...the question I ask is why would he need them

that question directly addresses what this Evolution thread is about...


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Thu 02/09/12 08:21 AM



And God wasn't created, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God.


well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....


..the Bible depicts God to have an age?

Where?


Biblical existence and Time is measured in B.C. and A.D.




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Thu 02/09/12 08:25 AM



Why wouldn't he have arms, legs, ect?


jeez...maybe if I type it on my keyboard real slow or all in caps you will get the question...but anyway

I'm not disputing that God has arms and legs....I'm asking why would he need them




..who said he has a 'need' for them?


right...God is like Mr. Potato-Head and sticks arms and legs on himself that he don't "need"

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Thu 02/09/12 08:27 AM


But as I said before, if he had no arms or no legs, and then built us in his image.. neither would we.


again I'm not disputing that God has arms and legs...the question I ask is why would he need them

that question directly addresses what this Evolution thread is about...




..and I said who says he 'needs' them.

Again, only taking what words you want to nitpick.

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Thu 02/09/12 08:28 AM




And God wasn't created, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God.


well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....


..the Bible depicts God to have an age?

Where?


Biblical existence and Time is measured in B.C. and A.D.






BC - Before Christ. Not God.

AD - After Death. Death of Christ.

Surely you knew that?

Jesus is from AD, not BC.

God is from the start OF BC.

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Thu 02/09/12 08:33 AM




Why wouldn't he have arms, legs, ect?


jeez...maybe if I type it on my keyboard real slow or all in caps you will get the question...but anyway

I'm not disputing that God has arms and legs....I'm asking why would he need them




..who said he has a 'need' for them?


right...God is like Mr. Potato-Head and sticks arms and legs on himself that he don't "need"


..there you go again.

Comparing God now to Mr. Potato-Head.

Tell me, how is it God is like Mr. Potato-Head?

Made of plastic with a company logo branded on his rear end? I doubt it.

Fine, since even that is far too complex for you to grasp how about this.

God doesn't actually have his own 'arms' or 'legs'; however, not to startle or scare man, he 'creates' the vision he has them so that his own creations bare no fear in seeing him. At least, that was the original conception. Therefore, it could be safe to say then, in fact, God has no arms or legs nor any need for them; it was just a way he believed he could safely approach his own creations without causing startle.

Then, since I know you'll say, 'Well Bible says...'

Yeah, created in his own image, I know.

So, furthermore, the image was the image he took when he walked alongside his own creations.

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Thu 02/09/12 08:39 AM





Why wouldn't he have arms, legs, ect?


jeez...maybe if I type it on my keyboard real slow or all in caps you will get the question...but anyway

I'm not disputing that God has arms and legs....I'm asking why would he need them




..who said he has a 'need' for them?


right...God is like Mr. Potato-Head and sticks arms and legs on himself that he don't "need"


..there you go again.

Comparing God now to Mr. Potato-Head.

Tell me, how is it God is like Mr. Potato-Head?

Made of plastic with a company logo branded on his rear end? I doubt it.

Fine, since even that is far too complex for you to grasp how about this.

God doesn't actually have his own 'arms' or 'legs'; however, not to startle or scare man, he 'creates' the vision he has them so that his own creations bare no fear in seeing him. At least, that was the original conception. Therefore, it could be safe to say then, in fact, God has no arms or legs nor any need for them; it was just a way he believed he could safely approach his own creations without causing startle.

Then, since I know you'll say, 'Well Bible says...'

Yeah, created in his own image, I know.

So, furthermore, the image was the image he took when he walked alongside his own creations.


In Heaven there are streets, thus we/they have legs. We won't just be spirits floating around. We will be interacting with one another there as we do here now. So with that would come the need for arms, hugs, tickling, touching in general, ect.

And yes, we are made in the image of God as to not cause "fear" or separation from our Father. It is much easier to love someone that in appearance is similar to yours then say the boogyman, or something of such appearance.

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Thu 02/09/12 08:39 AM





And God wasn't created, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God.


well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....


..the Bible depicts God to have an age?

Where?


Biblical existence and Time is measured in B.C. and A.D.






BC - Before Christ. Not God.

AD - After Death. Death of Christ.

Surely you knew that?

Jesus is from AD, not BC.

God is from the start OF BC.


all you have to do is apply a little logic

Both "Time" and "God's age" and "Creation" began at Genesis 1:1

Therefore

anything in the bible that existed before Jesus would be B.C.
anything in the bible that existed after Jesus would be A.D.

it comes to around 6,000 years...give or take a eon or two

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Thu 02/09/12 08:42 AM





Why wouldn't he have arms, legs, ect?


jeez...maybe if I type it on my keyboard real slow or all in caps you will get the question...but anyway

I'm not disputing that God has arms and legs....I'm asking why would he need them




..who said he has a 'need' for them?


right...God is like Mr. Potato-Head and sticks arms and legs on himself that he don't "need"


..there you go again.

Comparing God now to Mr. Potato-Head.

Tell me, how is it God is like Mr. Potato-Head?



because according to you...God has arms and legs but do not "need" Arms and Legs......just like Mr. Potato Head

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Thu 02/09/12 08:42 AM






And God wasn't created, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God.


well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....


..the Bible depicts God to have an age?

Where?


Biblical existence and Time is measured in B.C. and A.D.






BC - Before Christ. Not God.

AD - After Death. Death of Christ.

Surely you knew that?

Jesus is from AD, not BC.

God is from the start OF BC.


all you have to do is apply a little logic

Both "Time" and "God's age" and "Creation" began at Genesis 1:1

Therefore

anything in the bible that existed before Jesus would be B.C.
anything in the bible that existed after Jesus would be A.D.

it comes to around 6,000 years...give or take a eon or two



There is no before God, Genesis is not the start of God. But yes anything before Jesus would be b.c. B.efore C.hrist. And the time period after his crucifixion would be a.d. A.fter D.eath.

God has no "age". He is the beginning and the end. There is no time before God and there will never be an after God.

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Thu 02/09/12 08:47 AM

There is no before God, Genesis is not the start of God. But yes anything before Jesus would be b.c. B.efore C.hrist. And the time period after his crucifixion would be a.d. A.fter D.eath.

God has no "age". He is the beginning and the end. There is no time before God and there will never be an after God.



which came first ...God or knowledge?

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