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Topic: Who Wants War With Iran?
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Sun 01/22/12 09:21 AM
January 20, 2012 "Information Clearing House" --- On Sept. 21, 1976, as his car rounded Sheridan Circle on Embassy Row, former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier was assassinated by car bomb. Ronni Moffitt, a 25-year-old American woman who worked with Letelier at the leftist Institute for Policy Studies, died with him.

Michael Townley, an ex-CIA asset in the hire of Chile’s intelligence agency, confessed to using anti-Castro Cubans to murder Letelier, in what was regarded as an act of terrorism on U.S. soil.

Which raises a question: Are not the murders of four Iranian scientists associated with that nation’s nuclear program, by the attachment of bombs to their cars in Tehran, also acts of terrorism?

Had the Stalin- or Khrushchev-era Soviets done this to four U.S. scientists in Washington, would we not have regarded it as acts of terrorism and war?

Iran has accused the United States and Israel of murder. But Hillary Clinton emphatically denied any U.S. complicity: "I want to categorically deny any United States involvement in any kind of act of violence inside Iran."

"The United States had absolutely nothing to do with this," added National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor, "We strongly condemn all acts of violence, including acts of violence like this."

Victoria Nuland, Clinton’s spokeswoman at State, denounced "any assassination or attack on an innocent person, and we express our sympathies to the family."

The assassinated scientist was a supervisor at the Natanz uranium enrichment facility that hosts regular inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency. If Iran is building a bomb, it is not at Natanz.

U.S. denial of involvement leaves Mossad as the prime suspect. Israel has not denied it, and this comes at a sensitive time in U.S.-Israeli relations.

In Foreign Policy magazine, author and historian Mark Perry, claiming CIA documentation, alleges that Mossad agents in London posed as CIA agents and contacted Jundallah, a terrorist group, to bribe and recruit them to engage in acts of terror inside Iran.

Jundallah has conducted attacks in Sistan-Baluchistan province, killing government officials, soldiers, and women and children.

According to Perry, when George W. Bush learned of the Mossad agents posing as CIA while recruiting terrorists, he "went totally ballistic."

Yet Meir Dagan, head of Mossad at the time, denies it, and, ironically, has called any Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities "the stupidest thing I have ever heard."

Who is telling the truth? We do not know for sure.

What we do know is that "Bibi" Netanyahu is desperate to have the United States launch air and missile strikes to stop Tehran from becoming the world’s ninth nuclear power. And he is echoed not only by U.S. neocons, but GOP candidates save Ron Paul.

Nor should we be surprised.

To bring America into its war with Germany, Winston Churchill set up William Stephenson, "A Man Called Intrepid," with hundreds of agents in New York to engage in everything from bribery to blackmail of U.S. senators to get the United States to enter the war and pull England’s chestnuts out of the fire.

This is what desperate countries do.

And while America First kept us out of the European war until Adolf Hitler invaded Russia, ensuring that Russians, not Americans, died in the millions to defeat him, eventually America was maneuvered into war.

Whoever is assassinating these Iranian scientists, be it homegrown Iranian terrorists, Jundallah at the instigation of Israel, or Mossad, the objective is clear: Enrage the Iranians so they strike out at America, provoking a U.S.-Iranian war.

Is such a war in America’s interests? Consider.

While U.S. air and naval power would prevail, Iranian civilians would die, as some of their nuclear facilities are in populated areas. Moreover, we cannot kill the nuclear knowledge Iran has gained. Thus we would only set back their nuclear program by several years. And a bloodied and beaten Iran would then go all-out for a bomb.

The regime, behind which its people would rally, would emerge even more entrenched. U.S. bombing did not cause Germans to remove Hitler or Japanese to depose their emperor. And we lack the ground troops to invade and occupy a country three times the size of Iraq.

All U.S. ships, including carriers in that bathtub the Persian Gulf, would be at risk from shore-based anti-ship missiles and the hundreds of missile boats in Iran’s navy. Any sea battle would send oil prices to $200 and $300 a barrel. There goes the eurozone.

Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Shia of the Saudi oil fields and Bahrain, home port to the Fifth Fleet, and Iranian agents in Afghanistan and Iraq could set the region aflame.

As America started up the road to Baghdad in 2003, Gen. David Petraeus is said to have asked, "Tell me how this ends."

Before some agent provocateur pushes us into war with Iran, Congress should debate the wisdom of authorizing President Obama, or anyone else, to take America into her fifth war in a generation in the Middle and Near East.

Patrick Buchanan has been a senior advisor to three Presidents, a two-time candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, and was the presidential nominee of the Reform Party in 2000.

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/who-wants-war-with-iran.html

andrewzooms's photo
Sun 01/22/12 09:46 AM
Iran Air Flight 655. When The United States killed 290 of Iran civilians. Maybe they have a reason to hate us?

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 01/22/12 09:51 AM

Iran Air Flight 655. When The United States killed 290 of Iran civilians. Maybe they have a reason to hate us?
I think they hate us more for putting the Shaw in power back in 1953 so we could loot the oil.


The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

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Sun 01/22/12 09:55 AM


Iran Air Flight 655. When The United States killed 290 of Iran civilians. Maybe they have a reason to hate us?
I think they hate us more for putting the Shaw in power back in 1953 so we could loot the oil.


The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat



See when our military interferes in other people's business. Bad crap happens. Maybe the 87% of the morons who did not vote for Ron Paul in South Carolina should take an American foreign policy history class. All the three other candidates are making the same mistakes as we did in the past.

comfydarkcorner's photo
Sun 01/22/12 09:59 AM
just another way to get more people killed for a stupid reason

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:02 AM


Iran Air Flight 655. When The United States killed 290 of Iran civilians. Maybe they have a reason to hate us?
I think they hate us more for putting the Shaw in power back in 1953 so we could loot the oil.


The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

could you post some of Mossadegh's Skullduggery to,please!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh

It's in the same general Article!:laughing:

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:02 AM

just another way to get more people killed for a stupid reason
It makes me sick how our corrupt media has jumped on every war bandwagon I truly quistion how "free" our media realy is.

Optomistic69's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:08 AM
"Our intoxication with our military prowess blinds us to all possibilities of hope and mutual cooperation. It was Mohammed Khatami, the president of Iran from 1997 to 2005-perhaps the only honorable Middle East leader of our time-whose refusal to countenance violence by his own supporters led to the demise of his lofty "civil society" at the hands of more ruthless, less scrupulous opponents. It was Khatami who proclaimed that "the death of even one Jew is a crime." And we sputtered back to this great and civilized man the primitive slogans of all deformed militarists. We were captive, as all bigots are, to our demons, and could not hear any sound but our own shouting. It is time to banish these demons. It is time to stand not with the helmeted goons who beat protesters, not with those in the Pentagon who make endless wars, but with the unarmed demonstrators in Iran who daily show us what we must become."


Chris Hedges

willing2's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:11 AM
It could be viewed as job saving or creating.

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:14 AM

It could be viewed as job saving or creating.
I do not think verry many jobs will be created when oil hits three hundred a barrel.

smart2009's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:16 AM
What if Obama starts war with Iran tomorrow?
I have a question I'd likemy contemporaries to weigh in on. It's obviousthat the discussion regarding participating in a war with Iran is a hot topic in the politishpere thesedays. It's even been called Dr. Paul's weakness, thoughfalsely, by his opponents.
As the situation is ratcheted up daily by theMSM, and the fall election looms, I have toask..
What will happen if Obama starts a unilateral, or even a coalition based war with Iran before the election? I hear much discussion about which candidate will take the country into another dreadful war or not. However, I've never heard anyone, not even on DP, discuss this likely possibility.
How would this change the election narrative?
I pray with all of my heart this doesn't happen, but I do think it's a distinct possibility.
What are your thoughts?

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:23 AM
I think a war with Iran would be the final nail in americas coffin.

They pay anylists to play out scenarios and project and forcast what an end result would be of certain actions. I can only speculate that they knew what fighting wars without raising taxes would do to our economy and perhapse it was the goal all along to cripple our economy.

Its no suprise then that the extremely wealthy got even richer and the poor got poorer and the middle class is now near extinct.

We are a dumbed down stupified nation that spends more time anylising a football game than we do issues that have a dirrect bearing on all our lives and the lives of our children.




willing2's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:30 AM

What if Obama starts war with Iran tomorrow?
I have a question I'd likemy contemporaries to weigh in on. It's obviousthat the discussion regarding participating in a war with Iran is a hot topic in the politishpere thesedays. It's even been called Dr. Paul's weakness, thoughfalsely, by his opponents.
As the situation is ratcheted up daily by theMSM, and the fall election looms, I have toask..
What will happen if Obama starts a unilateral, or even a coalition based war with Iran before the election? I hear much discussion about which candidate will take the country into another dreadful war or not. However, I've never heard anyone, not even on DP, discuss this likely possibility.
How would this change the election narrative?
I pray with all of my heart this doesn't happen, but I do think it's a distinct possibility.
What are your thoughts?

It depends on if it will benefit him and his special interests politically and/or financially.

smart2009's photo
Sun 01/22/12 10:31 AM
US DETERMINED TO START WW3 by ATTACKING IRAN ... just like ...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJC2MO07eMJY&v=JC2MO07eMJY&gl=IN
Iran Foreign Ministry Claims Nuclear ScientistWas Executed By CIA ...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-foreign-ministry-claims-nuclear-scientist-was-executed-cia-nigeria-strike-talks-collapse

s1owhand's photo
Sun 01/22/12 12:26 PM
No one wants war with Iran and there will be no war with Iran.
Iran will only have their nuclear development sites bombed out
of existence unless they verifiably cease enrichment activities.

There will be no troops and no fighting. Just a smoking hole where
centrifuges and reactors used to be. But it does not have to be
that way.

All Iran has to do to avoid conflict with the rest of the world is to
give up on having their own centrifuges to enrich nuclear material to
bomb grade.

They have been offered multiple times pre-enriched material as well
as having others re-process for them both much easier and cleaner than
pursing the work themselves. But they clearly want to have the ability
to enrich to bomb grade despite having signed international agreements
that they would not do this.

And they lie and conceal their nuclear bombmaking activities.

All they have to do is stop their nuclear bomb making activities.
If they continue to insist on trying to develop nuclear weapons then
they will certainly be stopped by force. They have known this all
along. I don't feel sorry for them. They have made their own choices.
I do feel sorry for the innocent citizens of Iran who have to live
under the thumb of their idiotic theocratic militant Islamic rulers.

drinker

Iran's choice.

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Sun 01/22/12 01:03 PM



Iran Air Flight 655. When The United States killed 290 of Iran civilians. Maybe they have a reason to hate us?
I think they hate us more for putting the Shaw in power back in 1953 so we could loot the oil.


The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

could you post some of Mossadegh's Skullduggery to,please!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh

It's in the same general Article!:laughing:


:thumbsup:

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Sun 01/22/12 01:15 PM
“The central story of Iran over the last 200 years has been national humiliation at the hands of foreign powers who have subjugated and looted the country,” Stephen Kinzer, the author of “All the Shah’s Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror,” told me. “For a long time the perpetrators were the British and Russians. Beginning in 1953, the United States began taking over that role. In that year, the American and British secret services overthrew an elected government, wiped away Iranian democracy, and set the country on the path to dictatorship.”

Chris Hedges

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Sun 01/22/12 03:22 PM

Introduction

The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States.

Does Iran sponsor terrorism?

The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC.

"Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State

http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362


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Sun 01/22/12 03:34 PM


Introduction

The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States.

Does Iran sponsor terrorism?

The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC.

"Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State

http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362




yep!

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Sun 01/22/12 03:36 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Sun 01/22/12 03:37 PM
"We are, and have long been, the primary engine for radicalism in the Middle East. The greatest favor we can do for democracy activists in Iran, as well as in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Gulf and the dictatorships that dot North Africa, is withdraw our troops from the region and begin to speak to Iranians and the rest of the Muslim world in the civilized language of diplomacy, respect and mutual interests. The longer we cling to the doomed doctrine of permanent war the more we give credibility to the extremists who need, indeed yearn for, an enemy that speaks in their crude slogans of nationalist cant and violence. The louder the Israelis and their idiot allies in Washington call for the bombing of Iran to thwart its nuclear ambitions, the happier are the bankrupt clerics who are ordering the beating and murder of demonstrators. We may laugh when crowds supporting Ahmadinejad call us "the Great Satan," but there is a very palpable reality that has informed the terrible algebra of their hatred."

Chris Hedges

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