Topic: Belief for relief
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Wed 01/11/12 07:28 AM


I have a pantheistic view of God so I see God everywhere and
feel the presence of God in all the beauty in life.

I find this view of God very unifying and satisfying and
completely compatible with all monotheistic religions.


I agree with this. Which is nice since slowhand and I agree on little else.

Same for me too,I feel the presence of god in beauty as well as ugly,scary things too.Living & non living things too.

I don't like to relate god with religion.

religions are made by human for their selfishness & protection.

God can't be bound by religion.

prashant01's photo
Wed 01/11/12 07:35 AM


Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I neither believe nor disbelieve in most of the specific concepts of god that I've heard.


Is god a concept?

Ruth34611's photo
Wed 01/11/12 07:47 AM



I have a pantheistic view of God so I see God everywhere and
feel the presence of God in all the beauty in life.

I find this view of God very unifying and satisfying and
completely compatible with all monotheistic religions.


I agree with this. Which is nice since slowhand and I agree on little else.

Same for me too,I feel the presence of god in beauty as well as ugly,scary things too.Living & non living things too.

I don't like to relate god with religion.

religions are made by human for their selfishness & protection.

God can't be bound by religion.


I kind of disagree about religion. I do think that people have used religion for selfish reasons. It has been terribly misused. But, I do relate God to religion because I view religion as the means we use to connect to the Divine. To God. All religions use a set of rituals to make that connection. I don't believe it matters which set you use as long as they work for you.

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Wed 01/11/12 07:49 AM
Edited by Ruth34611 on Wed 01/11/12 07:51 AM

prashant01's photo
Wed 01/11/12 08:06 AM

So, because many people believe in god, you think that's proof of god? There are many people out there who don't believe in god. Of course, I'm not suggesting that because of that, there's proof there is no god.


Many people believing / not believing can't be a proof & I never said so.

I said,many human societies ( even those who were not communicating with each other)believed in god since ancient times,so it can't be a fluke.


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Wed 01/11/12 08:23 AM




I have a pantheistic view of God so I see God everywhere and
feel the presence of God in all the beauty in life.

I find this view of God very unifying and satisfying and
completely compatible with all monotheistic religions.


I agree with this. Which is nice since slowhand and I agree on little else.

Same for me too,I feel the presence of god in beauty as well as ugly,scary things too.Living & non living things too.

I don't like to relate god with religion.

religions are made by human for their selfishness & protection.

God can't be bound by religion.


I kind of disagree about religion. I do think that people have used religion for selfish reasons. It has been terribly misused. But, I do relate God to religion because I view religion as the means we use to connect to the Divine. To God. All religions use a set of rituals to make that connection. I don't believe it matters which set you use as long as they work for you.


Yeah,almost everyone who believes in god relates god to religion, they call themself religious too,

Even people who makes fun of symbolism also relates god with religion.(in fact those who relates god with religion only makes fun of symbolism)

In my opinion it is also one kind of symbolism only.

Historical evidences tells,many people have taken undue advantage of people's belief in religion as a path to connect with god.

I don't see any difference in rituals & superstitions.


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Wed 01/11/12 09:13 AM
Edited by prashant01 on Wed 01/11/12 09:17 AM


Why worry about those who don't believe in god, or have seen no proof of god? I have absolutely no problem with those who do believe in god. People think in different ways. We're not all the same.


flowerforyou


Nice flowers,Can I hv one pl?


Isn't it strange that despite of being away from each other almost all human societies have on thing in common"belief in god.

Should god not existed,how would have they all believed in god?


Its not at all strange, to me. Actually, while it seems to me that some form of animism was arrived at independently by many primitive societies, yet the notion of deity, and later monotheism, may have been invented just a few times and largely propagated from one society to another.


Though you are starting & answering negatively (& much aggressively too) ,I don't see that explanation capable enough to deny existence of god.

Still there are few societies who are not related by any means with other word but still they have their own god.There isn't any chance of propagation of any idea into these societies from other world,still they worship their god.

It is strange as well as satisfactory & happily believable evidence for me that soles at different part of the world too are feeling god as my sole did.

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Wed 01/11/12 09:32 AM

I believe pigs fly
Our beliefs are limited by our thoughts.

no photo
Wed 01/11/12 09:40 AM

Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I have no choice but to believe in god because I exist

My own existence is proof that consciousness exists.

That is a freaking miracle.






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Wed 01/11/12 09:46 AM


Why don't or why do you believe in god?


Nope, don't believe in God either. I think its just blind faith based on a book (bible) written by men.

Yup..It shall be referred as a blind faith only if it is limited by some religious books.

I don't see god bounded by religions;its an insult of that supreme soul if my soul does so.

no photo
Wed 01/11/12 09:49 AM



Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I neither believe nor disbelieve in most of the specific concepts of god that I've heard.


Is god a concept?


You have at least one concept of god.

Slowhand has a particular concept of god, which he explained, while recognizing that other concepts of god exist.



Isn't it strange that despite of being away from each other almost all human societies have on thing in common"belief in god.

Should god not existed,how would have they all believed in god?


Wrt animism, the answer may not be simple. Wrt monotheism - the vast majority learned it from someone else. Its no mystery.


Its not at all strange, to me. Actually, while it seems to me that some form of animism was arrived at independently by many primitive societies, yet the notion of deity, and later monotheism, may have been invented just a few times and largely propagated from one society to another.


I don't see that explanation capable enough to deny existence of god.



It doesn't need to. It just add emphasis to the fact that it would be really stupid to take the popularity of the notion of god as evidence for the existence of god.



Still there are few societies who are not related by any means with other word but still they have their own god.There isn't any chance of propagation of any idea into these societies from other world,still they worship their god.


So we've gone from 'how strange it is that all human societies...' to 'still there are a few societies...'

Over the last century, we've come to learn that early humans were more successful travelers and explorers than we'd previous allowed for. Primitive peoples have built boats and sailed much farther than we had believed.

I wouldn't be surprised if monotheism were re-invented a handful of times. So what? When you already have animism or polytheism, and when you already have tribes that have leaders, families that have mothers and fathers, its not a huge stretch of the imagination to invent a supernatural tribal leader, or a supernatural father.


It is strange as well as satisfactory & happily believable evidence for me that soles at different part of the world too are feeling god as my sole did.



Of course. You are satisfied with the belief, you enjoy that line of thought, seeing this as evidence makes you happy. Good luck with that.


no photo
Wed 01/11/12 09:51 AM

Is god a concept?


JB also has a concept of god, which I'd wager has some aspects in common with Slowhands, and some aspects that are different:




Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I have no choice but to believe in god because I exist

My own existence is proof that consciousness exists.

That is a freaking miracle.



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Wed 01/11/12 09:53 AM


Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I have no choice but to believe in god because I exist

My own existence is proof that consciousness exists.

That is a freaking miracle.

How simple & selfless philosophy it is!!

Very few divine soul achieve this level of selflessness,indeed.

flowerforyou

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Wed 01/11/12 09:56 AM







Why don't or why do you believe in god?


Nope, don't believe in God either. I think its just blind faith based on a book (bible) written by men.


Those of us who believe in God do not necessarily view the Bible as factual. And there are many different gods people follow not based on the Bible at all.



I find that interesting as the religous folks I know here do follow the bible and believe in it word for word. Can I ask what your thoughts personally on the bible are? I am just curious. My thoughts are that it is much like a rule book or a guide on how to live life. To me that would mean you don't follow it to the letter but as I said just a guide. However; that is just how I look at it. JMO



Most people who believe the Bible word for word have trouble with passages like this one...



"Jeremiah 8:7-9
New International Version (NIV)


7 Even the stork in the sky
knows her appointed seasons,
and the dove, the swift and the thrush
observe the time of their migration.
But my people do not know
the requirements of the LORD.

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?
9 The wise will be put to shame;
they will be dismayed and trapped.
Since they have rejected the word of the LORD,
what kind of wisdom do they have?"




I had to read it over a couple times myself to make any sense of it and I am still not sure I understood it.




I thought the point was that this quote (without context!) -

‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?


- raises the question of whether we can trust the Bible to actually be the word of God.


I'm not familiar with this passage from the Bible, have no context, and don't interpret it in any particular way.



Yeah, I am not all that familiar with the bible either. Again, I find it interesting that you interperted it that way. I honestly had wondered how we can believe in something that someone wrote as they will write what they interpet; so their interpetation could indeed be wrong. JMO

Ruth34611's photo
Wed 01/11/12 10:04 AM


Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I have no choice but to believe in god because I exist

My own existence is proof that consciousness exists.

That is a freaking miracle.








Exactly.

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Wed 01/11/12 10:16 AM




Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I neither believe nor disbelieve in most of the specific concepts of god that I've heard.


Is god a concept?


You have at least one concept of god.

Slowhand has a particular concept of god, which he explained, while recognizing that other concepts of god exist.


No I don't have any concept about god.
I'm not wise enough to build any concept about god,I haven't seen god,but I always feel that super power around me.


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Wed 01/11/12 10:19 AM





Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I neither believe nor disbelieve in most of the specific concepts of god that I've heard.


Is god a concept?


You have at least one concept of god.

Slowhand has a particular concept of god, which he explained, while recognizing that other concepts of god exist.


No I don't have any concept about god.
I'm not wise enough to build any concept about god,I haven't seen god,but I always feel that super power around me.




And right there is one of the concepts you have of god.

You 'feel a super power around you', and you connect this experience to 'god'. There you go.

A concept doesn't have to be sophisticated, or detailed, or involved, or specific.


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Wed 01/11/12 10:53 AM
Edited by prashant01 on Wed 01/11/12 10:54 AM


It is strange as well as satisfactory & happily believable evidence for me that soles at different part of the world too are feeling god as my sole did.



Of course. You are satisfied with the belief, you enjoy that line of thought, seeing this as evidence makes you happy. Good luck with that.


Yeah,really...I've great relief that I've a strong belief in god.
It's a great satisfaction indeed!!

That super soul always provides me a divine happinessas I never looked for any evidence of his existence & just had an unconditional belief in him.That happiness & satisfaction is obvious as I never considered my self superior than the supreme.
I know all the intellects (whatever I got) can never be sufficient enough to challenge or have doubts about the existence (as few ediotsdo) of those who gifted that to me.

I always thank that oversoul for not making me a stupidsoul to lose peace of mind by foolishlyignoring his existence.

Thanks for good luck,but it's not really needed.I'm blessed.happy

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Wed 01/11/12 10:58 AM






Why don't or why do you believe in god?


I neither believe nor disbelieve in most of the specific concepts of god that I've heard.


Is god a concept?


You have at least one concept of god.

Slowhand has a particular concept of god, which he explained, while recognizing that other concepts of god exist.


No I don't have any concept about god.
I'm not wise enough to build any concept about god,I haven't seen god,but I always feel that super power around me.




And right there is one of the concepts you have of god.

You 'feel a super power around you', and you connect this experience to 'god'. There you go.

A concept doesn't have to be sophisticated, or detailed, or involved, or specific.


No,I'm not foolish to consider it as a concept.

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Wed 01/11/12 11:00 AM



It is strange as well as satisfactory & happily believable evidence for me that soles at different part of the world too are feeling god as my sole did.



Of course. You are satisfied with the belief, you enjoy that line of thought, seeing this as evidence makes you happy. Good luck with that.


Yeah,really...I've great relief that I've a strong belief in god.
It's a great satisfaction indeed!!

That super soul always provides me a divine happinessas I never looked for any evidence of his existence & just had an unconditional belief in him.That happiness & satisfaction is obvious as I never considered my self superior than the supreme.
I know all the intellects (whatever I got) can never be sufficient enough to challenge or have doubts about the existence (as few ediotsdo) of those who gifted that to me.

I always thank that oversoul for not making me a stupidsoul to lose peace of mind by foolishlyignoring his existence.

Thanks for good luck,but it's not really needed.I'm blessed.happy


Either you are completely changing your topic, making statements completely unrelated to my words (which you quote), or you have confused 'your belief in god' with the notion that 'the beliefs of others provides evidence'.

Look at what you actually said:

It is strange as well as satisfactory & happily believable evidence for me that soles at different part of the world too are feeling god as my sole did



I think this statement is very telling about what you actually believe:

I always thank that oversoul for not making me a stupidsoul to lose peace of mind by foolishlyignoring his existence.


(And thats the version you left after editing your words.)