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Sin_and_Sorrow
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..I read it. Noticed my typos. Does that count as three people? :O |
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Edited by
wux
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Sun 01/08/12 06:06 PM
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“A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.” Who are we? The road to prosperity is only paved through suffering that coincides with acceptance. This distinct idea involves persistence; an idea that requires an individual to press forward, no matter the weather. We are a society that thrives of destruction and that was built by chaos. One, who truly cares about changing the world, must wonder; ‘Are we always destined to be like this?’ We are nothing but rats scampering through the sewer trying to find our exit while stepping on as few toes as possible. “A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks it should be.” Faith in something is better than faith in nothing. Nothing more than just a motto of hope, a hope for change, an idea that these things should not only be better, but can be better, and must be better; or the cycle of death, sadness, and suffering will never end. A silent vice to ostentatious virtue; the very fabric of kings and rulers; does it truly matter which path you take if you reach the same outcome? How can accept ‘truth’ through only words and not vision? Would you believe the Grand Canyon was as large as it is if you were told so and never saw it for yourself? Isn’t that the same as accepting the existence of the Lochness Monster simply because others tell you it is real? Both sides of this story are based on one solitary concept which I will sum up in one word; perception. The entire world accepted the fact that the world was flat and monsters roamed the edges of the ocean; all accept a few. One would take this challenge. If not for his dream, his idea, his passion; where would this world be now? 500 billion plus people all smashed together one the very few continents that connected us; with a majority of our futures to be ended by starvation, poverty, and famine? “Grief is the price we pay for love.” I love my country, but beyond that, I love our planet. I have met so many amazing people over the years who, in one way or another, have left an impact on my very soul; a footprint in the sand, if you will. This world is so wrapped up in its politics, stuck in its bitterness of pointless and useless grudges that we seem to be forgetting what everyone is truly fighting for; it’s a thing called life. “Believe that life is worth living and your belief will help create the fact.” Tying everything together, I’ve found that we are wholly devoted to the subjects, topics, and materialistic things that, if life doesn’t alter its course, are heading for a result in which no one desires, but everyone will feel. We constantly blame each other, the government, or a foreign nation for our problems, issues, and the overall current state of the planet; when ultimately, we are all just hypocrites, including myself, that we don’t change the problem, we only change the question. “Don’t go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.” “Every creature is better alive than dead, men, moose, and the pine trees, and he who understands it alright will rather preserve its life rather than destroy it.” “Every man dies, not every man really lives.” In just seems like today, we all as individuals, make choices; better or worse, such is not my place to judge, but regardless, our choices our effecting our future. Not just our near future, and not just the future of humanity; but every other living thing that has no say, no control, and no way to prevent our destruction. Whether you believe in science, or you believe in religion; one thing should still ring true. We were supposed to evolve from monkeys but we didn’t evolve; we became monsters. For those who believe in religion; if I was your God, I would’ve abandoned you years ago. Why? Just look at you, look what you’ve done to his creation(s). How would you feel if someone came to your house and just started destroying everything no matter how many times you replaced it, no matter how many times you rebuilt it? How long before you gave up and lived on the street? “We must live together as brothers or we will perish together as fools.” My mom is so depressed when it comes to matters of the future; she is on the brink of paranoia. Is there any soul left in this forsaken world that can look to their child or loved one and honestly say, ‘Don’t worry, baby, everything’s going to be okay?’I’m only 30, and she just got me fitted for a coffin. A freaking coffin; who thinks of these things at 30? This drove me into thinking; and I realized something. While it may not be old in the shadow of the mighty king known as time; it is in the sense of death. I openly, and honestly, fear for this corrupted and destructive future that my son will now be forced to be a part of. That plain and simple fact frightens and depresses me. “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.” “While there’s life, there’s hope.” I don’t have the answers, like that little girl, and I don’t know what we can truly do to change our course. All I do know is that doing nothing, pretending there is no problem, isn’t going to solve but only add to it. “You life is what your thoughts make it.” When will accept the fact that there isn’t going to be a superhero to come down and save us? When will we realize the planet’s problems aren’t just going to heal like that of losing a boyfriend, girlfriend, or a material possession? We are all grown, we all know that once a life is lost, it cannot be brought back; and it is in this pain, this suffering, that I feel that all who’ve perished before me, we are letting them all down. We must do something… before there is nothing left to save. Thank you for reading this… Incredibly, I read this. Its point is arguable. You see, the destruction of the world, of humanity, of species of animals, are done by us, who have been on the planet for a mere 100,000 years. Before that, there were five billion years of the planet's existence, and three billion years of life existing on the planet. That's life lasting thirty million TIMES longer than man's presence on earth. after man destroys himself and most other living creatures, it will start again. Or it will not start again. There is no reason for me to feel guilty about this. This has happened a hundred times already in the history of the globe, that 99.9 percent of species died out in a short period. Yet NOBODY was made to feel guilty those 100 thousand other times. Whether they were really to blame or not. Why should that be different now? the only difference is that we KNOW we are doing it. the 100 thousand other times things did not know they were doing it. So...? I can see your point, but there are differences, and I agree to differ, but in my opinion you are moralizing over an issue which is not a topic for moral considerations. "It's just one of them mass extincitons", would a species say who will survive, and has survived countless other mass extinctions. Such survivalists include cockroaches, sharks, slugs, amoebas, and pine trees. Noble ones died out, by great numbers, like unicorns, the woolly mammouth, the dodo bird, and the Medina worm. So who is to say that only the good die out? If and when WE die out, will that make us good? Or bad, because we caused our own dieing out? Is a shark better as a moral animal, than a unicorn or a dinosaur? Is a cockroach worse than an angel fallen to earth, or better? What about fairies? or leprechauns? Are they good or bad? Or one-speciman species, like the loch ness monster, of which there is only one, and the Yeti and Elvis? WHO IS IT who is the ultimate authority to say humans are monsters, or good, or bad? Or who is to say that by killing our own race we are not doing a favour to the world at large? if we are bad, then killing ourselves makes us good. But if we are good, then killing ourselves makes us evil. So which is it? and how did you get to the point where you decided on this ad usque pro dip piro? |
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Incredibly, I read this. Its point is arguable. You see, the destruction of the world, of humanity, of species of animals, are done by us, who have been on the planet for a mere 100,000 years. Before that, there were five billion years of the planet's existence, and three billion years of life existing on the planet. That's life lasting thirty million TIMES longer than man's presence on earth. after man destroys himself and most other living creatures, it will start again. Or it will not start again. There is no reason for me to feel guilty about this. This has happened a hundred times already in the history of the globe, that 99.9 percent of species died out in a short period. Yet NOBODY was made to feel guilty those 100 thousand other times. Whether they were really to blame or not. Why should that be different now? the only difference is that we KNOW we are doing it. the 100 thousand other times things did not know they were doing it. So...? I can see your point, but there are differences, and I agree to differ, but in my opinion you are moralizing over an issue which is not a topic for moral considerations. "It's just one of them mass extincitons", would a species say who will survive, and has survived countless other mass extinctions. Such survivalists include cockroaches, sharks, slugs, amoebas, and pine trees. Noble ones died out, by great numbers, like unicorns, the woolly mammouth, the dodo bird, and the Medina worm. So who is to say that only the good die out? If and when WE die out, will that make us good? Or bad, because we caused our own dieing out? Is a shark better as a moral animal, than a unicorn or a dinosaur? Is a cockroach worse than an angel fallen to earth, or better? What about fairies? or leprechauns? Are they good or bad? Or one-speciman species, like the loch ness monster, of which there is only one, and the Yeti and Elvis? WHO IS IT who is the ultimate authority to say humans are monsters, or good, or bad? Or who is to say that by killing our own race we are not doing a favour to the world at large? if we are bad, then killing ourselves makes us good. But if we are good, then killing ourselves makes us evil. So which is it? and how did you get to the point where you decided on this ad usque pro dip piro? First off, thank you for taking the time to read it. To start, I honestly thought you were going to make a joke of it; though don't get me wrong, I do love your humor. I believe, that overall, while all those points are valid; which, I especially agree with the WHO IS IT paragraph, and the if we are good or bad, statements; but I'm more or less speaking for the generations who haven't existed yet. Ultimately, I'm not as good with big, explanatory words, so, me truly getting what out now, may come off wrong, confusing, or what I fear not at all.. so, I'll try to make sense. :D However, one thing did strike me as odd, when you said "a hundred times already in the history of the globe, that 99.9 percent of species died out in a short period. Yet NOBODY was made to feel guilty those 100 thousand other times" While this is, as far as I know true, I think there is a major difference. How would they have KNOWN to feel 'guilty' if they knew not the world was going to be destroyed? As in, I doubt they have the wars we have, the pollution we have, the diseases, the carnage, the chaos, etc, that we have now today. Now, while they may not have felt guilty, most people, from that of which I've met, don't feel guilty about what happened prior, because I do not believe that others even know, full well, what happened. Various rumors to the extinction of the dinos, etc; since I believe I've heard varying stories. I believe the majority probably stick to the idea that they were wiped out by a meteor; and thus, point in fact; how can you blame them for that? I can't see a caveman firing off an AK at his neighbors for stealing his bone. I think that's what separates us from those of the past. It's because we know. Even if those prior ones did hold this knowledge; isn't it high time we learned from past mistakes? I'm not asking or telling you to feel 'guilty'; half the planet's problems aren't truly yours or my own fault; however, the idea we do very little to take action to prevent it from happening all over again; that's what mainly troubles me. The other main topic I was trying to express was simply that we, as individuals, are focused so ideally and astutely on so many issues that, in the eyes of a greater picture, truly mean next to nothing. Basically.. I wrote it our of fear, for my son. If the world ended, and it took me out in a blaze of glory; so be it, I've done nothing, or little, to prevent said catastrophe; but the future generations, the ones who do desire to grow up, live, laugh, cry, love, etc; may never have that chance. I truly don't know what we can actually do, as I said someone, I believe near the end; I don't have all or even some of the answers; but doing nothing.. well, that's just not something I could live, or die, with. BTW.. Cockroaches are freaking nasty. I believe the idea of calling ourselves 'monsters' fits my own personal definition of the word. Not that, under the bed, hiding in the closet type of monster; but in the sense of how terrified we make each other of each other. There's no many other species who do that. Wolves live in packs. Geese live in flocks. Lions in herds; etc. We live in cities, in those cities, houses, with doors locked, curtains up, and most (can't say all again) won't even answer the cry for help. I am one person. I have no true answers. I don't have many solutions. It just makes me sad.. That most people care more about this QB isn't playing this Monday Night, or this politician is getting blow by this cross dresser, or this actress is totally hooking up with this reality guy; and the crap on TV? In the media? On the internet? Seriously.. w.t.f. Maybe you are right, I don't have the authority to call us 'monsters'; but when I think of the word human; I think man, woman, child, but also humane. Philanthropic, kind gentle, polite, learned, refined, civilized; related to homo, man, related to humus, earth; notion of being 'earthly beings'. But how many of those fit us anymore? We may not be 'monsters'.. but I'd hardly call us 'human' either to it's full meaning.. Or maybe it's me rambling and not making sense.. idk. I just believe, whether inevitable or not, doing nothing will always be far worse then doing nothing. imo |
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Edited by
wux
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Sun 01/08/12 08:11 PM
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Basically, you are moral where you ought not to be.
For instance, why are cockroaches nasty? It is a totally unfounded statement. Unfounded because you humanize them, because you base your judgment on their looks. Cockroaches are exactly like butterflies, unicorns, and soft, furry bunnies: They eat, they have sex, they die. Yet you called them freaking nasty. ------------- Sorry, I can't go on with this discussion. In my opinion, and with some evidence to suppor it, you want to make order in the world by calling some things guilty, some things nasty, humans not human. This is nothing. At least for me. It more angers me, this quagmire of fluid, limitless and amorphous moralizing, and on the other hand wrongful condemnation, than to wanna read any more of it and analyze it. You noticed well, by the way, I give it to you, that to feel guilt one must be able to comprehend sin. And you said that's why we, humans, who are smart enough to see what's happneing, should feel guilty, because stones and huge meteorite and many sun-protuberances can't feel guilty. Well, because I can feel guilty, does not mean I should. I am no different from 100 thousand things that did not feel guilty for the same thing I am doing, so why should I? Because they were incapable of feeling guilt? Undoubtedly, but the fact remains that they did not feel guilt for "destroying" the world. It is not my fault to be able to think. I did not ask to be able to think. Without thinking I could not feel guilty. So I refuse to feel guilty on the basis, sole or combined with other things, that I am able to think. My and my rivals who also almost destroyed the world, had nothing different, but my ability to think. Then if they are exempt of the demand from feeling guilt, then I rightfully claim an equal treatement. Why I, alone among 100,000 should get punished with feelings of guilt, when nobody else of the lot does, or is forced to do? There. You may feel guilty, but I won't. |
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Basically, you are moral where you ought not to be. For instance, why are cockroaches nasty? It is a totally unfounded statement. Unfounded because you humanize them, because you base your judgment on their looks. Cockroaches are exactly like butterflies and unicorns: They eat, they have sex, they die. Yet you called them freaking nasty. ------------- Sorry, I can't go on with this discussion. In my opinion, and with some evidence to suppor it, you want to make order in the world by calling some things guilty, some things nasty, humans not human. This is nothing. At least for me. It more angers me, this quagmire of fluid, limitless and amorphous moralizing, and on the other hand wrongful condemnation, than to wanna read any more of it and analyze it. Um. Nasty, not by looks, but by habits. Living with no head, for how many days, lingering crap pebbles in my cups? You are telling me why I think something is 'freaking nasty'; when I gave no specifics. Humanize it? Certainly not. I don't like butterflies anymore than roaches. Can't recall ever seeing a unicorn to judge it. Make order? No clue where you are getting this. You are throwing out fictional ideas and concepts into an opinion of facts. How am I say feel remorse for something that I do not even have the knowledge of it's actual existence? How am I to make a decisive opinion, to create an emotion, on an idea -- that I believe to be untrue? You said it's happened 100 times over. I won't argue your belief in that, but it is not my own. Aside from dinosaurs, I don't know what 'massive' extermination of a 'species' you speak of; therefore, how am to properly assert a response to something that I believe to be a quagmire of fluid as you put it. You analyzed ideals and entered them into an idea, a proposition, that I thought worth getting off my chest and added variables that, imo, had nothing truly to do with my sole purpose. Us. Now. The future; of us. So forgive me for upsetting you. I wasn't trying to do so. I said I have a hard time stating what I mean... Also, I was trying to further explain my original meanings; which apparently I failed to do so. The idea of not caring is why I believe humans don't fit under the category of being called 'humans'; and the relation of what our 'title' represents. *sigh* Regardless, thank you for your insight. It did open my eyes, and hopefully, next time, I can openly express it in a better way that we both grasp our true meanings. Because I am just as confused as you are, imo. |
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Basically, you are moral where you ought not to be. For instance, why are cockroaches nasty? It is a totally unfounded statement. Unfounded because you humanize them, because you base your judgment on their looks. Cockroaches are exactly like butterflies, unicorns, and soft, furry bunnies: They eat, they have sex, they die. Yet you called them freaking nasty. ------------- Sorry, I can't go on with this discussion. In my opinion, and with some evidence to suppor it, you want to make order in the world by calling some things guilty, some things nasty, humans not human. This is nothing. At least for me. It more angers me, this quagmire of fluid, limitless and amorphous moralizing, and on the other hand wrongful condemnation, than to wanna read any more of it and analyze it. You noticed well, by the way, I give it to you, that to feel guilt one must be able to comprehend sin. And you said that's why we, humans, who are smart enough to see what's happneing, should feel guilty, because stones and huge meteorite and many sun-protuberances can't feel guilty. Well, because I can feel guilty, does not mean I should. I am no different from 100 thousand things that did not feel guilty for the same thing I am doing, so why should I? Because they were incapable of feeling guilt? Undoubtedly, but the fact remains that they did not feel guilt for "destroying" the world. It is not my fault to be able to think. I did not ask to be able to think. Without thinking I could not feel guilty. So I refuse to feel guilty on the basis, sole or combined with other things, that I am able to think. My and my rivals who also almost destroyed the world, had nothing different, but my ability to think. Then if they are exempt of the demand from feeling guilt, then I rightfully claim an equal treatement. Why I, alone among 100,000 should get punished with feelings of guilt, when nobody else of the lot does, or is forced to do? There. You may feel guilty, but I won't. Crap! YOU! You changed your response as I was typing. :/ |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Mon 01/09/12 02:10 PM
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I read it. I wanted to take a moment and talk about a few parts of it.
“A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks it should be.” Ultimately it is this that is at the heart of mans wickedness. If every man was equally driven by knowledge and truth as was our greatest thinkers then poetry would be a boring hobby, drama would not exist, and logical debates would be on TV.
How can accept ‘truth’ through only words and not vision? . . .
The entire world accepted the fact that the world was flat and monsters roamed the edges of the ocean; all accept a few. Well, this is interesting indeed. We have a question that is answered by the example . . . well and a little fact finding history lesson. Popular mythology is that the educated prior to the enlightenment believed the earth was flat. This is myth, the mathematics used to calculate the size of the earth and determine its basic radius were available and widely known since the time of the Greeks, possible known much earlier. Columbus never thought he would sail off the side of the world and neither did anyone at that time who was educated. How much more interesting is it that the fact most people believe this myth supports the concept you used the myth to present. It is a stark contrast the nature of the explorer to that of the gossiper. So to answer your question, how can we know truth with words(representations) and not personal experience: This is one way. There are others. We use many every day. Logic, reason, maths: knowledge. “Grief is the price we pay for love.”
Truer words . . . I agree there are monsters out there . . . . and they are human. I grieve often, and sometimes it seems to debilitate me, however I also agree . . . " . . .I don't have all or even some of the answers; but doing nothing.. well, that's just not something I could live, or die, with. " And so I keep on keeping on. It is so cliche to say education is the key . . . but it really is. Everywhere I look I see poeple who accept things at face value, who never dig deeper than an article that supports there own bias. Knowledge is difficult, it takes effort, it takes time, however nothing is more worthy. |
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