Aliens! Caught on video making crop circles!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_opN9ghPKQ

Nope. Aliens are doing them.

This alien did a self portrait!

Yeh that's a nice one. The round object has a message on it too.

See, that is not how claims work.

You claim they exist and that there is evidence, the evidence rolled out time and time again is shown to be very speculative, and not conclusive. Many people will show how that evidence could point to completely uninteresting causes and they are dismissed.

This is the height of bias. People want to believe, they ignore alternatives, they believe anything that confirms this and deny anything that contraindicates it.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

My claim is that aliens probably exist. I do not claim that they in fact exist. (I may believe they probably do.)

His claim is that there is no evidence that they exist. He cannot back up that claim.

So here is the argument and my logic:

IFF aliens do exist ..(aliens defined as non human sentient life forms or humanoids)

then it follows that there has to be evidence somewhere.

On the other hand, if non human sentient life forms do NOT exist then there is no evidence.

Therefore his claim that there is no evidence cannot be supported as anything but his belief.

Now he could reword that by saying "I know of no evidence that aliens exist." or something on that order.

The reason I say he can't prove his statement is because he does not know if anyone has evidence or that evidence exits.

If his claim is simply a challenge to produce evidence, then that is all it is. A challenge to produce evidence.

I think it is pretty safe to assume anyone saying there is not evidence for any given claim is really saying that no evidence is known to exist.

Yea, I think you can go a head and safely assume this is always true of every claim ever made ever.


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So there are definitely Sentient beings other than humans on earth, and they are not aliens.

Known by whom? The mainstream society? There may be a person or persons or even an entire group of persons who know that aliens exist, and have evidence of that. It may be so top secret that no normal citizen knows about it. It may be the type of information that is not released to the world, or even to scientists.

If advanced beings or aliens have been on this earth longer than humans, which is what some people believe, they certainly know how to keep themselves hidden.


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Let's just say aliens with self awareness and human intelligence. You know what I mean.

Sure but if they are so good at hiding, or if the poeple with the evidence will not share it, can you really blame me for not accepting it as true?

This is my point. Withholding judgment, or provisionally accepting something as not believed is the standard, and once we have that evidence we can assess how compelling it is, but without it, we cannot.

If I say that there is an invisible dragon in my garage and that proof exists but I cannot share it with you, then I would wager you would be skeptical, and probably and rightly assume it did not exist until I had presented that evidence. It would be safe to assume no evidence exists if I told you Id have to kill you if I showed you.

Of course not.



The difference is that your invisible dragon and your evidence is coming only from a single source. YOU.

Evidence of alien or non human intelligent life forms and strange creatures like big foot, though not conclusive, comes from many sources and witnesses.

That is not proof either. But for me, in weighing the probabilities, I tend toward the side that aliens from somewhere, either other planets or another dimension, probably do exist.

That could be because my world view is not as materialistic as yours.