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Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/02/12 01:01 AM
This is why income tax stayed with us. Not because stupid congressmen wanted us to fork over our hard earned dollars to them to satisfy their selfish greedy needs. That too, sure, but most of the income tax money is spent on other things. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. The income tax money goes right to the debt, Ronald Reagan even said that. It isn't spent on anything else. so, they take your income tax and put it in a seperate pot JUST to be spent on debt? interesting,,,, That's pretty much it, look here: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/msg/3a3764aa8d4c5e22 You'll need a google account to open it, but if you can't, here's the most important part that verifies what I have stated: ""100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt ... all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government." -Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984 " If you cared to investigate further, you'll find that each year a great deal of money the government receives somehow goes unaccounted for, numbering in the millions at least. Now why do you think that'd be? Well when they're pulling something like this with our tax money, the answer becomes pretty clear I'd say. As they say, follow the money. Id say, that would be because they are as human as the civilians they represent, who Im sure cant account for 100 percent of every penny they spend either,,, and I do research further http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/debt.htm Number one, don't you find a little bit funny that we're expected to be completely forthright about every last penny we make each year, with very little leeway at all, yet for them it's somehow ok to be MILLIONS of dollars short each year? What's that word.......hypocritical? As for the link, that pretty much reads as a propaganda piece trying to make people who think like this look bad, and considering the source I'm not too surprised. I don't find it very credible. I , likewise, dont find the source very credible due to apparent bias and subsequent reports by the departments it criticized,,, "President Reagan created the Grace Commission to find areas where the income taxes collected by the U.S. Federal Government were wasted or misused by the departments or agencies to which they were awarded"http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-grace-commission.htm Of course they're gonna deny, they're not stupid Msharmony. If it was the truth, do you think they'd dare admit it? It would destroy any credibility they have with the people then, you think they'd be that foolish to jeopardize that? or perhaps, the commission was gonna exaggerate, if they didnt, would they be able to get people panicked enough to support Raegans minimalist ideals? That's rich, they use panic and fear to get what they want all the time, the government thrives on that. Yet you have no problems when they are using it for other means do you?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 01:01 AM
a mix-mash of lies, half truths and government propaganda carefully selected and edited before being served to the people sounds alot like the internet to me,,,,

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 01/02/12 01:01 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 01/02/12 01:02 AM
The bill that says they can apprehend any citizen and hold them without a warrant and without them being able to call a lawyer and without charging them with anything doesn't say that they will be doing that to anyone they don't like either. They of course word it in such a way that it sounds reasonable. And yet it still gives them power to do it any way they want.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 01:02 AM
The bill that says they can apprehend any citizen and hold them without a warrant and without them being able to call a lawyer and without charging them with anything doesn't say that they will be doing that to anyone they don't like either. They of course word it in such a way that is sounds reasonable. And yet it still gives them power to do it any way they want. find me the bill that says that, and perhaps I will be more alarmed,,,

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/02/12 01:02 AM
a mix-mash of lies, half truths and government propaganda carefully selected and edited before being served to the people sounds alot like the internet to me,,,, Try the mainstream media, all your news, all your information is CONTROLLED. The Internet is the one thing that's not, you do the math.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 01:04 AM
This is why income tax stayed with us. Not because stupid congressmen wanted us to fork over our hard earned dollars to them to satisfy their selfish greedy needs. That too, sure, but most of the income tax money is spent on other things. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. The income tax money goes right to the debt, Ronald Reagan even said that. It isn't spent on anything else. so, they take your income tax and put it in a seperate pot JUST to be spent on debt? interesting,,,, That's pretty much it, look here: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/msg/3a3764aa8d4c5e22 You'll need a google account to open it, but if you can't, here's the most important part that verifies what I have stated: ""100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt ... all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government." -Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984 " If you cared to investigate further, you'll find that each year a great deal of money the government receives somehow goes unaccounted for, numbering in the millions at least. Now why do you think that'd be? Well when they're pulling something like this with our tax money, the answer becomes pretty clear I'd say. As they say, follow the money. Id say, that would be because they are as human as the civilians they represent, who Im sure cant account for 100 percent of every penny they spend either,,, and I do research further http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/debt.htm Number one, don't you find a little bit funny that we're expected to be completely forthright about every last penny we make each year, with very little leeway at all, yet for them it's somehow ok to be MILLIONS of dollars short each year? What's that word.......hypocritical? As for the link, that pretty much reads as a propaganda piece trying to make people who think like this look bad, and considering the source I'm not too surprised. I don't find it very credible. I , likewise, dont find the source very credible due to apparent bias and subsequent reports by the departments it criticized,,, "President Reagan created the Grace Commission to find areas where the income taxes collected by the U.S. Federal Government were wasted or misused by the departments or agencies to which they were awarded"http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-grace-commission.htm Of course they're gonna deny, they're not stupid Msharmony. If it was the truth, do you think they'd dare admit it? It would destroy any credibility they have with the people then, you think they'd be that foolish to jeopardize that? or perhaps, the commission was gonna exaggerate, if they didnt, would they be able to get people panicked enough to support Raegans minimalist ideals? That's rich, they use panic and fear to get what they want all the time, the government thrives on that. Yet you have no problems when they are using it for other means do you? I dont panic or fear, I try to prepare and face reality though but thats my point, so we agree, they use fear and panic, and each election cycle they 'paraphrase' bits of bills to make people think life as they know it is ending,,, I have outgrown it throughout the years, I see it as the propoganda it has historically been(at least in my lifetime)

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 01:06 AM
a mix-mash of lies, half truths and government propaganda carefully selected and edited before being served to the people sounds alot like the internet to me,,,, Try the mainstream media, all your news, all your information is CONTROLLED. The Internet is the one thing that's not, you do the math. I have cable, I have a telephone, I speak to people from across the country and around the world, all those information sources that were available PRE internet and are still there so , IM still not gonna panic over anti piracy/anti theft policies being enforced in the cyber world as strongly as they are in the physical,,,,

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 01/02/12 01:10 AM
As far as internet crime, its just like any other crime. What worries me is Internet banking and cyber money. Electronic payment methods are making it too easy for people to just take money out of your bank just because they have your bank account number. I've learned that your money is not safe in the bank. It can be here today and gone tomorrow.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/02/12 01:14 AM
This is why income tax stayed with us. Not because stupid congressmen wanted us to fork over our hard earned dollars to them to satisfy their selfish greedy needs. That too, sure, but most of the income tax money is spent on other things. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. The income tax money goes right to the debt, Ronald Reagan even said that. It isn't spent on anything else. so, they take your income tax and put it in a seperate pot JUST to be spent on debt? interesting,,,, That's pretty much it, look here: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/msg/3a3764aa8d4c5e22 You'll need a google account to open it, but if you can't, here's the most important part that verifies what I have stated: ""100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt ... all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government." -Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984 " If you cared to investigate further, you'll find that each year a great deal of money the government receives somehow goes unaccounted for, numbering in the millions at least. Now why do you think that'd be? Well when they're pulling something like this with our tax money, the answer becomes pretty clear I'd say. As they say, follow the money. Id say, that would be because they are as human as the civilians they represent, who Im sure cant account for 100 percent of every penny they spend either,,, and I do research further http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/debt.htm Number one, don't you find a little bit funny that we're expected to be completely forthright about every last penny we make each year, with very little leeway at all, yet for them it's somehow ok to be MILLIONS of dollars short each year? What's that word.......hypocritical? As for the link, that pretty much reads as a propaganda piece trying to make people who think like this look bad, and considering the source I'm not too surprised. I don't find it very credible. I , likewise, dont find the source very credible due to apparent bias and subsequent reports by the departments it criticized,,, "President Reagan created the Grace Commission to find areas where the income taxes collected by the U.S. Federal Government were wasted or misused by the departments or agencies to which they were awarded"http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-grace-commission.htm Of course they're gonna deny, they're not stupid Msharmony. If it was the truth, do you think they'd dare admit it? It would destroy any credibility they have with the people then, you think they'd be that foolish to jeopardize that? or perhaps, the commission was gonna exaggerate, if they didnt, would they be able to get people panicked enough to support Raegans minimalist ideals? That's rich, they use panic and fear to get what they want all the time, the government thrives on that. Yet you have no problems when they are using it for other means do you? I dont panic or fear, I try to prepare and face reality though but thats my point, so we agree, they use fear and panic, and each election cycle they 'paraphrase' bits of bills to make people think life as they know it is ending,,, I have outgrown it throughout the years, I see it as the propoganda it has historically been(at least in my lifetime) If you believe there are "terrorists" out to get us in other countries somewhere in caves, you haven't outgrown as much as you think.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 01:19 AM
This is why income tax stayed with us. Not because stupid congressmen wanted us to fork over our hard earned dollars to them to satisfy their selfish greedy needs. That too, sure, but most of the income tax money is spent on other things. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. The income tax money goes right to the debt, Ronald Reagan even said that. It isn't spent on anything else. so, they take your income tax and put it in a seperate pot JUST to be spent on debt? interesting,,,, That's pretty much it, look here: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/msg/3a3764aa8d4c5e22 You'll need a google account to open it, but if you can't, here's the most important part that verifies what I have stated: ""100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt ... all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government." -Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984 " If you cared to investigate further, you'll find that each year a great deal of money the government receives somehow goes unaccounted for, numbering in the millions at least. Now why do you think that'd be? Well when they're pulling something like this with our tax money, the answer becomes pretty clear I'd say. As they say, follow the money. Id say, that would be because they are as human as the civilians they represent, who Im sure cant account for 100 percent of every penny they spend either,,, and I do research further http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/debt.htm Number one, don't you find a little bit funny that we're expected to be completely forthright about every last penny we make each year, with very little leeway at all, yet for them it's somehow ok to be MILLIONS of dollars short each year? What's that word.......hypocritical? As for the link, that pretty much reads as a propaganda piece trying to make people who think like this look bad, and considering the source I'm not too surprised. I don't find it very credible. I , likewise, dont find the source very credible due to apparent bias and subsequent reports by the departments it criticized,,, "President Reagan created the Grace Commission to find areas where the income taxes collected by the U.S. Federal Government were wasted or misused by the departments or agencies to which they were awarded"http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-grace-commission.htm Of course they're gonna deny, they're not stupid Msharmony. If it was the truth, do you think they'd dare admit it? It would destroy any credibility they have with the people then, you think they'd be that foolish to jeopardize that? or perhaps, the commission was gonna exaggerate, if they didnt, would they be able to get people panicked enough to support Raegans minimalist ideals? That's rich, they use panic and fear to get what they want all the time, the government thrives on that. Yet you have no problems when they are using it for other means do you? I dont panic or fear, I try to prepare and face reality though but thats my point, so we agree, they use fear and panic, and each election cycle they 'paraphrase' bits of bills to make people think life as they know it is ending,,, I have outgrown it throughout the years, I see it as the propoganda it has historically been(at least in my lifetime) If you believe there are "terrorists" out to get us in other countries somewhere in caves, you haven't outgrown as much as you think. yeah, our guys in uniform are just imagining things,,lol

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/02/12 01:53 AM
This is why income tax stayed with us. Not because stupid congressmen wanted us to fork over our hard earned dollars to them to satisfy their selfish greedy needs. That too, sure, but most of the income tax money is spent on other things. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. The income tax money goes right to the debt, Ronald Reagan even said that. It isn't spent on anything else. so, they take your income tax and put it in a seperate pot JUST to be spent on debt? interesting,,,, That's pretty much it, look here: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/msg/3a3764aa8d4c5e22 You'll need a google account to open it, but if you can't, here's the most important part that verifies what I have stated: ""100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt ... all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government." -Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984 " If you cared to investigate further, you'll find that each year a great deal of money the government receives somehow goes unaccounted for, numbering in the millions at least. Now why do you think that'd be? Well when they're pulling something like this with our tax money, the answer becomes pretty clear I'd say. As they say, follow the money. Id say, that would be because they are as human as the civilians they represent, who Im sure cant account for 100 percent of every penny they spend either,,, and I do research further http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/debt.htm Number one, don't you find a little bit funny that we're expected to be completely forthright about every last penny we make each year, with very little leeway at all, yet for them it's somehow ok to be MILLIONS of dollars short each year? What's that word.......hypocritical? As for the link, that pretty much reads as a propaganda piece trying to make people who think like this look bad, and considering the source I'm not too surprised. I don't find it very credible. I , likewise, dont find the source very credible due to apparent bias and subsequent reports by the departments it criticized,,, "President Reagan created the Grace Commission to find areas where the income taxes collected by the U.S. Federal Government were wasted or misused by the departments or agencies to which they were awarded"http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-grace-commission.htm Of course they're gonna deny, they're not stupid Msharmony. If it was the truth, do you think they'd dare admit it? It would destroy any credibility they have with the people then, you think they'd be that foolish to jeopardize that? or perhaps, the commission was gonna exaggerate, if they didnt, would they be able to get people panicked enough to support Raegans minimalist ideals? That's rich, they use panic and fear to get what they want all the time, the government thrives on that. Yet you have no problems when they are using it for other means do you? I dont panic or fear, I try to prepare and face reality though but thats my point, so we agree, they use fear and panic, and each election cycle they 'paraphrase' bits of bills to make people think life as they know it is ending,,, I have outgrown it throughout the years, I see it as the propoganda it has historically been(at least in my lifetime) If you believe there are "terrorists" out to get us in other countries somewhere in caves, you haven't outgrown as much as you think. yeah, our guys in uniform are just imagining things,,lol It's not the guys in uniform, it's those that PUT them there. The entire thing was based and is based on lies and deception. Until you can understand that fact, you will not know half of what you think you know.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Mon 01/02/12 06:59 AM Edited by RKISIT on Mon 01/02/12 07:00 AM
It's the war in Iraq thats technically illegal,cause Bush invaded it on false accusations.Then when people protest you have a woman that "Can't Understand Normal Thinking" such as Ann Coulter writing a book and getting media coverage cause she thinks Bush and his administration did nothing wrong and if you protest you're a loser.Well he did and it's a fact.See if the Tea Baggers protest it's fine but if the liberals protest they are waste of life. So now you see what the problem is.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 09:27 AM Edited by msharmony on Mon 01/02/12 09:27 AM
This is why income tax stayed with us. Not because stupid congressmen wanted us to fork over our hard earned dollars to them to satisfy their selfish greedy needs. That too, sure, but most of the income tax money is spent on other things. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. The income tax money goes right to the debt, Ronald Reagan even said that. It isn't spent on anything else. so, they take your income tax and put it in a seperate pot JUST to be spent on debt? interesting,,,, That's pretty much it, look here: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/msg/3a3764aa8d4c5e22 You'll need a google account to open it, but if you can't, here's the most important part that verifies what I have stated: ""100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt ... all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government." -Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984 " If you cared to investigate further, you'll find that each year a great deal of money the government receives somehow goes unaccounted for, numbering in the millions at least. Now why do you think that'd be? Well when they're pulling something like this with our tax money, the answer becomes pretty clear I'd say. As they say, follow the money. Id say, that would be because they are as human as the civilians they represent, who Im sure cant account for 100 percent of every penny they spend either,,, and I do research further http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/debt.htm Number one, don't you find a little bit funny that we're expected to be completely forthright about every last penny we make each year, with very little leeway at all, yet for them it's somehow ok to be MILLIONS of dollars short each year? What's that word.......hypocritical? As for the link, that pretty much reads as a propaganda piece trying to make people who think like this look bad, and considering the source I'm not too surprised. I don't find it very credible. I , likewise, dont find the source very credible due to apparent bias and subsequent reports by the departments it criticized,,, "President Reagan created the Grace Commission to find areas where the income taxes collected by the U.S. Federal Government were wasted or misused by the departments or agencies to which they were awarded"http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-grace-commission.htm Of course they're gonna deny, they're not stupid Msharmony. If it was the truth, do you think they'd dare admit it? It would destroy any credibility they have with the people then, you think they'd be that foolish to jeopardize that? or perhaps, the commission was gonna exaggerate, if they didnt, would they be able to get people panicked enough to support Raegans minimalist ideals? That's rich, they use panic and fear to get what they want all the time, the government thrives on that. Yet you have no problems when they are using it for other means do you? I dont panic or fear, I try to prepare and face reality though but thats my point, so we agree, they use fear and panic, and each election cycle they 'paraphrase' bits of bills to make people think life as they know it is ending,,, I have outgrown it throughout the years, I see it as the propoganda it has historically been(at least in my lifetime) If you believe there are "terrorists" out to get us in other countries somewhere in caves, you haven't outgrown as much as you think. yeah, our guys in uniform are just imagining things,,lol It's not the guys in uniform, it's those that PUT them there. The entire thing was based and is based on lies and deception. Until you can understand that fact, you will not know half of what you think you know. sweety, I have loved ones who have been and are there,,, I think perhaps I know more than certain condescending minds would like to know unless Im to believe passionate strangers over those I personally know and love and trust,,,

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/02/12 05:38 PM
This is why income tax stayed with us. Not because stupid congressmen wanted us to fork over our hard earned dollars to them to satisfy their selfish greedy needs. That too, sure, but most of the income tax money is spent on other things. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. The income tax money goes right to the debt, Ronald Reagan even said that. It isn't spent on anything else. so, they take your income tax and put it in a seperate pot JUST to be spent on debt? interesting,,,, That's pretty much it, look here: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/msg/3a3764aa8d4c5e22 You'll need a google account to open it, but if you can't, here's the most important part that verifies what I have stated: ""100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt ... all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government." -Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984 " If you cared to investigate further, you'll find that each year a great deal of money the government receives somehow goes unaccounted for, numbering in the millions at least. Now why do you think that'd be? Well when they're pulling something like this with our tax money, the answer becomes pretty clear I'd say. As they say, follow the money. Id say, that would be because they are as human as the civilians they represent, who Im sure cant account for 100 percent of every penny they spend either,,, and I do research further http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/debt.htm Number one, don't you find a little bit funny that we're expected to be completely forthright about every last penny we make each year, with very little leeway at all, yet for them it's somehow ok to be MILLIONS of dollars short each year? What's that word.......hypocritical? As for the link, that pretty much reads as a propaganda piece trying to make people who think like this look bad, and considering the source I'm not too surprised. I don't find it very credible. I , likewise, dont find the source very credible due to apparent bias and subsequent reports by the departments it criticized,,, "President Reagan created the Grace Commission to find areas where the income taxes collected by the U.S. Federal Government were wasted or misused by the departments or agencies to which they were awarded"http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-grace-commission.htm Of course they're gonna deny, they're not stupid Msharmony. If it was the truth, do you think they'd dare admit it? It would destroy any credibility they have with the people then, you think they'd be that foolish to jeopardize that? or perhaps, the commission was gonna exaggerate, if they didnt, would they be able to get people panicked enough to support Raegans minimalist ideals? That's rich, they use panic and fear to get what they want all the time, the government thrives on that. Yet you have no problems when they are using it for other means do you? I dont panic or fear, I try to prepare and face reality though but thats my point, so we agree, they use fear and panic, and each election cycle they 'paraphrase' bits of bills to make people think life as they know it is ending,,, I have outgrown it throughout the years, I see it as the propoganda it has historically been(at least in my lifetime) If you believe there are "terrorists" out to get us in other countries somewhere in caves, you haven't outgrown as much as you think. yeah, our guys in uniform are just imagining things,,lol It's not the guys in uniform, it's those that PUT them there. The entire thing was based and is based on lies and deception. Until you can understand that fact, you will not know half of what you think you know. sweety, I have loved ones who have been and are there,,, I think perhaps I know more than certain condescending minds would like to know If that's what you wanna think, go ahead, but you still won't. I will end this there.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 05:48 PM
This is why income tax stayed with us. Not because stupid congressmen wanted us to fork over our hard earned dollars to them to satisfy their selfish greedy needs. That too, sure, but most of the income tax money is spent on other things. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. The income tax money goes right to the debt, Ronald Reagan even said that. It isn't spent on anything else. so, they take your income tax and put it in a seperate pot JUST to be spent on debt? interesting,,,, That's pretty much it, look here: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/msg/3a3764aa8d4c5e22 You'll need a google account to open it, but if you can't, here's the most important part that verifies what I have stated: ""100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt ... all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government." -Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984 " If you cared to investigate further, you'll find that each year a great deal of money the government receives somehow goes unaccounted for, numbering in the millions at least. Now why do you think that'd be? Well when they're pulling something like this with our tax money, the answer becomes pretty clear I'd say. As they say, follow the money. Id say, that would be because they are as human as the civilians they represent, who Im sure cant account for 100 percent of every penny they spend either,,, and I do research further http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/debt.htm Number one, don't you find a little bit funny that we're expected to be completely forthright about every last penny we make each year, with very little leeway at all, yet for them it's somehow ok to be MILLIONS of dollars short each year? What's that word.......hypocritical? As for the link, that pretty much reads as a propaganda piece trying to make people who think like this look bad, and considering the source I'm not too surprised. I don't find it very credible. I , likewise, dont find the source very credible due to apparent bias and subsequent reports by the departments it criticized,,, "President Reagan created the Grace Commission to find areas where the income taxes collected by the U.S. Federal Government were wasted or misused by the departments or agencies to which they were awarded"http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-grace-commission.htm Of course they're gonna deny, they're not stupid Msharmony. If it was the truth, do you think they'd dare admit it? It would destroy any credibility they have with the people then, you think they'd be that foolish to jeopardize that? or perhaps, the commission was gonna exaggerate, if they didnt, would they be able to get people panicked enough to support Raegans minimalist ideals? That's rich, they use panic and fear to get what they want all the time, the government thrives on that. Yet you have no problems when they are using it for other means do you? I dont panic or fear, I try to prepare and face reality though but thats my point, so we agree, they use fear and panic, and each election cycle they 'paraphrase' bits of bills to make people think life as they know it is ending,,, I have outgrown it throughout the years, I see it as the propoganda it has historically been(at least in my lifetime) If you believe there are "terrorists" out to get us in other countries somewhere in caves, you haven't outgrown as much as you think. yeah, our guys in uniform are just imagining things,,lol It's not the guys in uniform, it's those that PUT them there. The entire thing was based and is based on lies and deception. Until you can understand that fact, you will not know half of what you think you know. sweety, I have loved ones who have been and are there,,, I think perhaps I know more than certain condescending minds would like to know If that's what you wanna think, go ahead, but you still won't. I will end this there. good idea,, its really run its course,,,

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Tue 01/03/12 04:32 PM
SOPA Will Restrict Non-Infringing Online Content o Attorney General Actions Under SOPA, the Attorney General would identify an internet site that is „committing or facilitating the commission‟ of an online copyright infringement. 2 Once established, the Attorney General would have authority to serve the court order affirming the infringement upon any internet service provider (ISP), search engine, payment network provider, or internet advertising service. The ISP would be obliged to prevent access by its subscribers to the infringing site. The search engine would be compelled to prevent the infringing site from „being served as a direct hypertext link‟. The payment network provider would have to suspend payment transactions involving the infringing site. The internet advertising service would be barred from providing ads for the infringing site. 3 Such orders might be acceptable if they only affected infringing content. But a site with infringing content almost always has a wealth of noninfringing content as well. By contemplating an order that effectively bars others from gaining access to both infringing and non-infringing content, the proposed statute goes beyond appropriate First Amendment free speech protections so, if I have a pawn shop with stolen goods, its an infringment for the law to shut it down because it bars access to the goods which might not be stolen as well? ,,.,,makes sense to me,,, if you break the laws, you get shut down customers should seek services and goods from those with no history of breaking the laws,,,,,, pretty good deterrent,,,, It isn't just the 'pawn shops' though, its ANY website. So to improve your analogy, it would also empower them to shutdown the entire library system in your town just because someone - not even a library employee - walked in an slipped something inappropriate between two of the books. It would criminalize the act of telling people where to find said library. The major media companies have been ruthless for the past 10-20 years. They don't give a **** about free speech, and congress is in their pocket.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 01/03/12 10:00 PM
SOPA Will Restrict Non-Infringing Online Content o Attorney General Actions Under SOPA, the Attorney General would identify an internet site that is „committing or facilitating the commission‟ of an online copyright infringement. 2 Once established, the Attorney General would have authority to serve the court order affirming the infringement upon any internet service provider (ISP), search engine, payment network provider, or internet advertising service. The ISP would be obliged to prevent access by its subscribers to the infringing site. The search engine would be compelled to prevent the infringing site from „being served as a direct hypertext link‟. The payment network provider would have to suspend payment transactions involving the infringing site. The internet advertising service would be barred from providing ads for the infringing site. 3 Such orders might be acceptable if they only affected infringing content. But a site with infringing content almost always has a wealth of noninfringing content as well. By contemplating an order that effectively bars others from gaining access to both infringing and non-infringing content, the proposed statute goes beyond appropriate First Amendment free speech protections so, if I have a pawn shop with stolen goods, its an infringment for the law to shut it down because it bars access to the goods which might not be stolen as well? ,,.,,makes sense to me,,, if you break the laws, you get shut down customers should seek services and goods from those with no history of breaking the laws,,,,,, pretty good deterrent,,,, It isn't just the 'pawn shops' though, its ANY website. So to improve your analogy, it would also empower them to shutdown the entire library system in your town just because someone - not even a library employee - walked in an slipped something inappropriate between two of the books. It would criminalize the act of telling people where to find said library. The major media companies have been ruthless for the past 10-20 years. They don't give a **** about free speech, and congress is in their pocket. nothing in SOPA says this, I can only suggest people read it carefully for themself its more like, if someone slipped something 'inappropriate' between two books, it would take alot of discussion and arbitration to decide what 'inappropriate' was however, if someone PASSES off something of mine as theirs, there is little discussion needed, and IF I have the wherewithall to state that they didnt have my permission (because how else would the authority know whether the use was authorized or not?) , I would like some action taken to get my property back and have me rightfully aknowledged for it while the party involved should be stopped from any potential profit my property may have gained them it provides a process for those with property that is 'non tangible' but stolen, nonetheless, in the cyber world to receive justice and those who do the stealing to be stopped from profiting from it,,,

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Tue 01/03/12 11:39 PM
SOPA Will Restrict Non-Infringing Online Content o Attorney General Actions Under SOPA, the Attorney General would identify an internet site that is „committing or facilitating the commission‟ of an online copyright infringement. 2 Once established, the Attorney General would have authority to serve the court order affirming the infringement upon any internet service provider (ISP), search engine, payment network provider, or internet advertising service. The ISP would be obliged to prevent access by its subscribers to the infringing site. The search engine would be compelled to prevent the infringing site from „being served as a direct hypertext link‟. The payment network provider would have to suspend payment transactions involving the infringing site. The internet advertising service would be barred from providing ads for the infringing site. 3 Such orders might be acceptable if they only affected infringing content. But a site with infringing content almost always has a wealth of noninfringing content as well. By contemplating an order that effectively bars others from gaining access to both infringing and non-infringing content, the proposed statute goes beyond appropriate First Amendment free speech protections so, if I have a pawn shop with stolen goods, its an infringment for the law to shut it down because it bars access to the goods which might not be stolen as well? ,,.,,makes sense to me,,, if you break the laws, you get shut down customers should seek services and goods from those with no history of breaking the laws,,,,,, pretty good deterrent,,,, It isn't just the 'pawn shops' though, its ANY website. So to improve your analogy, it would also empower them to shutdown the entire library system in your town just because someone - not even a library employee - walked in an slipped something inappropriate between two of the books. It would criminalize the act of telling people where to find said library. The major media companies have been ruthless for the past 10-20 years. They don't give a ** about free speech, and congress is in their pocket. nothing in SOPA says this, I can only suggest people read it carefully for themself its more like, if someone slipped something 'inappropriate' between two books, it would take alot of discussion and arbitration to decide what 'inappropriate' was I've read portions of the law, and it definitely says exactly what many industry professionals are claiming that it says: the attorney general can issue a court order forcing intermediaries to blacklist an entire site for a single piece of infringing material. however, if someone PASSES off something of mine as theirs, there is little discussion needed, and IF I have the wherewithall to state that they didnt have my permission (because how else would the authority know whether the use was authorized or not?) Please tell me you aren't suggesting that we can trust people to always be honest about their ownership of content, and the rights they may or may not have granted others! Microsoft, SCO, IBM, and Novell have spent huge amounts of money on otherwise useless legal fees exactly because these questions are not always easy to resolve, and because you cannot trust people to honestly represent what it is that they own and what rights they have given to others. , I would like some action taken to get my property back and have me rightfully aknowledged Well I would like for you to file a civil suit against the infringing party, and not bring in a massive government hammer to shut down portions of the internet** just to appease your greed. it provides a process for those with property that is 'non tangible' but stolen, nonetheless, in the cyber world to receive justice and those who do the stealing to be stopped from profiting from it,,, Such process already exist! They have been used (and abused) for decades.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Tue 01/03/12 11:47 PM
, I would like some action taken to get my property back and have me rightfully aknowledged Well I would like for you to file a civil suit against the infringing party, and not bring in a massive government hammer to shut down portions of the internet just to appease your greed. With language used in SOPA, the potential for abuse and harm here is tremendous. We could see the equivalent of shutting down a freeway just because one of the off ramps goes to that little pawn shop with the stolen goods.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 01/03/12 11:54 PM
DIRECTLY FROM SOPA: The term `qualifying plaintiff' means, with respect to a particular Internet site or portion thereof, a holder of an intellectual property right harmed by the activities described in paragraph there is little room for dishonesty about whether someone legally holds an INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT,, there are requirements and processes to prove such a claim the courts ARE a part of the government, they enforce the laws specifically, those laws addressed in this bill are US CODE, which is written by government and has every reason to be enforced by government