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Topic: My heart goes out to this family...
Dragoness's photo
Fri 12/23/11 06:22 PM
Lakewood boy, 5, dies after being shot by toddler


6:45 p.m. MST, December 23, 2011

LAKEWOOD, Colo. -- A 5-year-old boy was shot and killed by a 3-year-old early Friday morning, FOX31 has confirmed.

Police say a 23-year-old visiting from Kansas was supervising the children when the accident occurred. The adult will be charged with child abuse resulting in death and criminal negligence.

The shooting happened just before 10 a.m. Friday at the Eagle Crest Apartments in Lakewood.



Police say the shooting was accidental.

The boy was transported to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

The incident occurred in the 1600 block of Iris St. in Lakewood.
http://www.kwgn.com/news/kdvr-lakewood-boy-5-dies-from-accidental-shooting-20111223,0,5510748.story

The 3 year old shot the 5 year old in the chest.


I sure feel the need to hug mine right now.



msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 06:25 PM
so sad,

always seemed an anomaly to me , laws require that guns be safely secured so this cant happen, but it seems if they are truly for protection, the last thing they should be is safely secured and should be easily accessible instead


glad I am not raising my children around guns,,,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 06:28 PM
I can already see this being used to villify guns once again in the media.

Not discounting the story itself mind you, or the sadness therein, but I can just see how it will be portrayed. They love stories like this.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 06:32 PM
how can guns be villified when they ('arms', at least) are one of our constitutional 'rights'

now, whether that means EVERYONE without exception should be permitted a 9 millimeter, with no consideration of the risks to the unarmed and children around them

is another story,,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 06:42 PM

how can guns be villified when they ('arms', at least) are one of our constitutional 'rights'


Well when it's one they wish to remove from us.......you do the math.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 12/23/11 06:52 PM
Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 12/23/11 06:54 PM
Whatever holiday this is for this family is now ruined for the rest of their lives.

How do they tell the three year old what happened to the five year old?

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Fri 12/23/11 07:01 PM

Whatever holiday this is for this family is now ruined for the rest of their lives.

How do they tell the three year old what happened to the five year old?


you are a mother, you know that you tell a three year old exactly what a three year old can comprehend. as the child matures, if the child questions, you add details according to the child's comprehension level. this isn't about gun control, this is about adult supervision. the 23-year-old visiting from kansas who was supervising the children when the accident occurred dropped the ball, and as a result the adult will be charged with child abuse resulting in death and criminal negligence. another tragedy to the family

Dragoness's photo
Fri 12/23/11 07:08 PM
I was actually referring to when the three year old is grown. No matter what you say the three year old killed their sibling.


Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 07:12 PM

Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 12/23/11 07:18 PM


Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.

Ladylid2012's photo
Fri 12/23/11 07:23 PM
This is terrible....very, very sad. brokenheart

This 3 year old may very well have some PTSD later.
There will be a memory of this for him.

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Fri 12/23/11 07:29 PM
Edited by esebulldog on Fri 12/23/11 07:30 PM

I was actually referring to when the three year old is grown. No matter what you say the three year old killed their sibling.


wow, that is harsh. i see it as a curious child handling an item an adult should have insured the child wouldn't


This 3 year old may very well have some PTSD later.
There will be a memory of this for him.


see i don't think a three year old understands what happened. as the child grows questions may or may not come up. a parent can nurture that child to help ease the guilt the child may have if any. young minds can be molded for good

Dragoness's photo
Fri 12/23/11 07:35 PM


I was actually referring to when the three year old is grown. No matter what you say the three year old killed their sibling.


wow, that is harsh. i see it as a curious child handling an item an adult should have insured the child wouldn't


This 3 year old may very well have some PTSD later.
There will be a memory of this for him.


see i don't think a three year old understands what happened. as the child grows questions may or may not come up. a parent can nurture that child to help ease the guilt the child may have if any. young minds can be molded for good


There is no way to change that result. Yea the result is way harsh. An innocent child died because of an irresponsible gun owner. And the three year old is just another victim that just happened to live.

There will definitely be residual stuff and like my childhood molestation, I buried it until I was in my twenties and then it came back to me and I understood what terrible thing has happened. If this happens to this child it is a life time of counseling and mess upness.

Ladylid2012's photo
Fri 12/23/11 07:35 PM


I was actually referring to when the three year old is grown. No matter what you say the three year old killed their sibling.


wow, that is harsh. i see it as a curious child handling an item an adult should have insured the child wouldn't


This 3 year old may very well have some PTSD later.
There will be a memory of this for him.


see i don't think a three year old understands what happened. as the child grows questions may or may not come up. a parent can nurture that child to help ease the guilt the child may have if any. young minds can be molded for good


Well, he may not totally understand, the event has still gone into his subconscious. This is not the sort of thing the parents can talk away..this child will have to deal with this someday.

very tragic

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Fri 12/23/11 07:42 PM

Well, he may not totally understand, the event has still gone into his subconscious. This is not the sort of thing the parents can talk away..this child will have to deal with this someday.

very tragic


the child will have to deal with the loss of a sibling. are you saying the child will have to deal with being labeled a murderer, because that comes from whoever does the labeling. as a parent that child can be shown to have compassion for the loss and be guilt free to live a life worth living. i doubt the child premeditated the action, and had the adult been supervising just a little better, the child would not have handled a loaded gun

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Fri 12/23/11 07:44 PM



Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.


Once you start doing that, you leave it all very ripe for abuse, and they WILL do it.

Ladylid2012's photo
Fri 12/23/11 07:50 PM
Edited by Ladylid2012 on Fri 12/23/11 07:51 PM


Well, he may not totally understand, the event has still gone into his subconscious. This is not the sort of thing the parents can talk away..this child will have to deal with this someday.

very tragic


the child will have to deal with the loss of a sibling. are you saying the child will have to deal with being labeled a murderer, because that comes from whoever does the labeling. as a parent that child can be shown to have compassion for the loss and be guilt free to live a life worth living. i doubt the child premeditated the action, and had the adult been supervising just a little better, the child would not have handled a loaded gun


No, of course not...I wouldn't label the child at all, let alone....murderer.

Deal with someday as in deal with the pain... the sound of the shot, the blood, the guilt, the repressed memories...etc, etc, etc.


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Fri 12/23/11 07:58 PM

No, of course not...I wouldn't label the child at all, let alone....murderer.

Deal with someday as in deal with the pain... the sound of the shot, the blood, the guilt, the repressed memories...etc, etc, etc.


phew, good to know. you had me askeered there for a minute.
dealing with the pain is exactly what the parent should do. if it was my three year old, i would probably say i was cleaning the pistol and it went off. i would be willing to shoulder that responsibility for the surviving child, and if anyone was stupid enough to try to tell the child different, well...bulldog's bite.
i seriously don't think a three year old will remember enough to know what really happened, unless someone opened their mouth...

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Fri 12/23/11 08:08 PM




Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.


Once you start doing that, you leave it all very ripe for abuse, and they WILL do it.
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so why have ANY laws? as any law can be 'open' for abuse by those with the will and desire to do so....

we cant seperate the good completely from the bad, their coexistence is fundamental


why keep overlooking the good to paint it all bad?

the good should be motive to make the bad better, but what motive has one got if they always insist it is all bad,,,,

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