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Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 08:19 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 12/23/11 08:19 PM





Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.


Once you start doing that, you leave it all very ripe for abuse, and they WILL do it.
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so why have ANY laws? as any law can be 'open' for abuse by those with the will and desire to do so....

we cant seperate the good completely from the bad, their coexistence is fundamental


why keep overlooking the good to paint it all bad?

the good should be motive to make the bad better, but what motive has one got if they always insist it is all bad,,,,


I am not saying all laws are bad, I am simply saying that once you create laws that in their definition are subjective in how they are applied, you open the door to big problems. They should be black and white, no shades of gray or room for abuse or bias in enforcement.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 10:39 PM






Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.


Once you start doing that, you leave it all very ripe for abuse, and they WILL do it.
\


so why have ANY laws? as any law can be 'open' for abuse by those with the will and desire to do so....

we cant seperate the good completely from the bad, their coexistence is fundamental


why keep overlooking the good to paint it all bad?

the good should be motive to make the bad better, but what motive has one got if they always insist it is all bad,,,,


I am not saying all laws are bad, I am simply saying that once you create laws that in their definition are subjective in how they are applied, you open the door to big problems. They should be black and white, no shades of gray or room for abuse or bias in enforcement.



no such animal

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 10:54 PM







Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.


Once you start doing that, you leave it all very ripe for abuse, and they WILL do it.
\


so why have ANY laws? as any law can be 'open' for abuse by those with the will and desire to do so....

we cant seperate the good completely from the bad, their coexistence is fundamental


why keep overlooking the good to paint it all bad?

the good should be motive to make the bad better, but what motive has one got if they always insist it is all bad,,,,


I am not saying all laws are bad, I am simply saying that once you create laws that in their definition are subjective in how they are applied, you open the door to big problems. They should be black and white, no shades of gray or room for abuse or bias in enforcement.



no such animal


In America? Oh I know, they make laws that are convoluted and confusing or at the least not unlawful in themselves and at times subjective, then decide they only apply to us and not them. So I know that very well.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 10:56 PM








Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.


Once you start doing that, you leave it all very ripe for abuse, and they WILL do it.
\


so why have ANY laws? as any law can be 'open' for abuse by those with the will and desire to do so....

we cant seperate the good completely from the bad, their coexistence is fundamental


why keep overlooking the good to paint it all bad?

the good should be motive to make the bad better, but what motive has one got if they always insist it is all bad,,,,


I am not saying all laws are bad, I am simply saying that once you create laws that in their definition are subjective in how they are applied, you open the door to big problems. They should be black and white, no shades of gray or room for abuse or bias in enforcement.



no such animal


In America? Oh I know, they make laws that are convoluted and confusing or at the least not unlawful in themselves and at times subjective, then decide they only apply to us and not them. So I know that very well.



not just in america, in life

I have yet to hear of a 'rule' that applies ALL The time

the words never and always are over used, because life has too many unpredictables,,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 10:59 PM









Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.


Once you start doing that, you leave it all very ripe for abuse, and they WILL do it.
\


so why have ANY laws? as any law can be 'open' for abuse by those with the will and desire to do so....

we cant seperate the good completely from the bad, their coexistence is fundamental


why keep overlooking the good to paint it all bad?

the good should be motive to make the bad better, but what motive has one got if they always insist it is all bad,,,,


I am not saying all laws are bad, I am simply saying that once you create laws that in their definition are subjective in how they are applied, you open the door to big problems. They should be black and white, no shades of gray or room for abuse or bias in enforcement.



no such animal


In America? Oh I know, they make laws that are convoluted and confusing or at the least not unlawful in themselves and at times subjective, then decide they only apply to us and not them. So I know that very well.



not just in america, in life

I have yet to hear of a 'rule' that applies ALL The time

the words never and always are over used, because life has too many unpredictables,,,


Point is, the system as it stands is broke, and so long as we allow it to remain broke, it will only get worse.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:01 PM










Actually Obama isn't hard enough on gun control.

There are people who shouldn't have the right to have a gun so the right is not universal and the list of those who shouldn't have one is not long enough by a long shot no pun intended.

With that said one innocent life lost is a reason for concern and we lose lots of innocents from legal guns each year.


Then you may as well get rid of the Constitution then, it evidently means very little to you.


Well maybe your interpretation of the constitution needs to be thrown out, mine is fine. Mental, emotional, criminal and responsibilital capacity should play a major role in who has a gun and we have some restrictions but not enough by far.


Once you start doing that, you leave it all very ripe for abuse, and they WILL do it.
\


so why have ANY laws? as any law can be 'open' for abuse by those with the will and desire to do so....

we cant seperate the good completely from the bad, their coexistence is fundamental


why keep overlooking the good to paint it all bad?

the good should be motive to make the bad better, but what motive has one got if they always insist it is all bad,,,,


I am not saying all laws are bad, I am simply saying that once you create laws that in their definition are subjective in how they are applied, you open the door to big problems. They should be black and white, no shades of gray or room for abuse or bias in enforcement.



no such animal


In America? Oh I know, they make laws that are convoluted and confusing or at the least not unlawful in themselves and at times subjective, then decide they only apply to us and not them. So I know that very well.



not just in america, in life

I have yet to hear of a 'rule' that applies ALL The time

the words never and always are over used, because life has too many unpredictables,,,


Point is, the system as it stands is broke, and so long as we allow it to remain broke, it will only get worse.



the system is too large, because there are too many people, to ever not be 'broken' somewhere


defining what is 'worse' in such an infinite measure is fairly futile

some things get better and others get worse, all part of the system,,,

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