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Trust and value begins at home. A man or woman who cannot keep a promise to his family and spouse certainly is extremely capable of doing the same to people he does not know.
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As the public, we need to think that we can place our trust in our president. Cain has proven that he is a man who can betray the sacred and legal trust of his spouse and break his promise to her and lie. What would make us think then, that he would have any more respect for the public in general if he has no respect for his wife? What would make us think that we could trust him not to betray our trust in him and lied to us? see examples above I can trust a person to be a great parent and not betray his kids even if he betrayed his wife, I can likewise trust them to be great and trustworthy in several other situations, professional and political, even if he was imperfect enought o fail on some other 'personal' situations So basically, you think that it is acceptable to betray your wife and cheat and lie and you understand and forgive that activity. And you believe that it does not mean that the person who did that to their spouse will do that to you. It is possible that they won't, but they have clearly shown where their values are weak, and that they are capable of the ultimate deceit in their intimate spousal relationship. They have shown that they do break promises and lie. And yet you forgive that for some reason and you place your trust in them. You think that they respect you or the public more than their spouse and that they would not do the same to you. Well, I don't. I dont think its acceptable to betray ANYONE, including a spouse. Its not up to me to forgive someone elses husband of such a betrayal as they did not betray ME (similar to ur argument that the mistress hasnt betrayed a trust) somehow you continue to respect someone who uses this exact same logic (i have not betrayed a trust because I am not married) and forgive them but you have problem understanding how someones betrayal of their SPOUSE has little to do with their relationship to their colleagues or clients or constiutency? well, I dont,,, |
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Trust and value begins at home. A man or woman who cannot keep a promise to his family and spouse certainly is extremely capable of doing the same to people he does not know. this is not true its much HARDER to maintain a marriage, a 24/7 obligation , than it is to perform 9-5 responsibilities,,, ID say a man who has a good marriage, he is an exception and is much more likely to do well at work as well, but a man who has a poor marriage is just like more than half of all men and has much less baring on whether they will do well at work its like saying if someone cant get into Harvard they cant get into college, the harder relationship is MORE likely to be flawed and fall short,,, |
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As the public, we need to think that we can place our trust in our president. Cain has proven that he is a man who can betray the sacred and legal trust of his spouse and break his promise to her and lie. What would make us think then, that he would have any more respect for the public in general if he has no respect for his wife? What would make us think that we could trust him not to betray our trust in him and lied to us? see examples above I can trust a person to be a great parent and not betray his kids even if he betrayed his wife, I can likewise trust them to be great and trustworthy in several other situations, professional and political, even if he was imperfect enought o fail on some other 'personal' situations So basically, you think that it is acceptable to betray your wife and cheat and lie and you understand and forgive that activity. And you believe that it does not mean that the person who did that to their spouse will do that to you. It is possible that they won't, but they have clearly shown where their values are weak, and that they are capable of the ultimate deceit in their intimate spousal relationship. They have shown that they do break promises and lie. And yet you forgive that for some reason and you place your trust in them. You think that they respect you or the public more than their spouse and that they would not do the same to you. Well, I don't. I dont think its acceptable to betray ANYONE, including a spouse. Its not up to me to forgive someone elses husband of such a betrayal as they did not betray ME (similar to ur argument that the mistress hasnt betrayed a trust) somehow you continue to respect someone who uses this exact same logic (i have not betrayed a trust because I am not married) and forgive them but you have problem understanding how someones betrayal of their SPOUSE has little to do with their relationship to their colleagues or clients or constiutency? well, I dont,,, Exactly. Whether or not someone cheated on their wife doesn't determine the qualifications to do a job. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 12/03/11 03:32 PM
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As the public, we need to think that we can place our trust in our president. Cain has proven that he is a man who can betray the sacred and legal trust of his spouse and break his promise to her and lie. What would make us think then, that he would have any more respect for the public in general if he has no respect for his wife? What would make us think that we could trust him not to betray our trust in him and lied to us? see examples above I can trust a person to be a great parent and not betray his kids even if he betrayed his wife, I can likewise trust them to be great and trustworthy in several other situations, professional and political, even if he was imperfect enought o fail on some other 'personal' situations So basically, you think that it is acceptable to betray your wife and cheat and lie and you understand and forgive that activity. And you believe that it does not mean that the person who did that to their spouse will do that to you. It is possible that they won't, but they have clearly shown where their values are weak, and that they are capable of the ultimate deceit in their intimate spousal relationship. They have shown that they do break promises and lie. And yet you forgive that for some reason and you place your trust in them. You think that they respect you or the public more than their spouse and that they would not do the same to you. Well, I don't. I dont think its acceptable to betray ANYONE, including a spouse. Its not up to me to forgive someone elses husband of such a betrayal as they did not betray ME (similar to ur argument that the mistress hasnt betrayed a trust) somehow you continue to respect someone who uses this exact same logic (i have not betrayed a trust because I am not married) and forgive them but you have problem understanding how someones betrayal of their SPOUSE has little to do with their relationship to their colleagues or clients or constiutency? well, I dont,,, I don't care about Cains relationship with his wife and it is not up to me to 'forgive' him for his mistakes. My ONLY point and my ONLY question is whether or not I can trust him to be honest with me and with the country. If he can lie to his wife, then he is capable of lying and will probably lie to the country. Not just little white lies, but big lies. He is a betrayer of trust. He is not a man of his word. He cannot be trusted to tell the truth. He is a promise breaker. He may be great at his job, but he is still not to be trusted. |
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As the public, we need to think that we can place our trust in our president. Cain has proven that he is a man who can betray the sacred and legal trust of his spouse and break his promise to her and lie. What would make us think then, that he would have any more respect for the public in general if he has no respect for his wife? What would make us think that we could trust him not to betray our trust in him and lied to us? see examples above I can trust a person to be a great parent and not betray his kids even if he betrayed his wife, I can likewise trust them to be great and trustworthy in several other situations, professional and political, even if he was imperfect enought o fail on some other 'personal' situations So basically, you think that it is acceptable to betray your wife and cheat and lie and you understand and forgive that activity. And you believe that it does not mean that the person who did that to their spouse will do that to you. It is possible that they won't, but they have clearly shown where their values are weak, and that they are capable of the ultimate deceit in their intimate spousal relationship. They have shown that they do break promises and lie. And yet you forgive that for some reason and you place your trust in them. You think that they respect you or the public more than their spouse and that they would not do the same to you. Well, I don't. I dont think its acceptable to betray ANYONE, including a spouse. Its not up to me to forgive someone elses husband of such a betrayal as they did not betray ME (similar to ur argument that the mistress hasnt betrayed a trust) somehow you continue to respect someone who uses this exact same logic (i have not betrayed a trust because I am not married) and forgive them but you have problem understanding how someones betrayal of their SPOUSE has little to do with their relationship to their colleagues or clients or constiutency? well, I dont,,, Exactly. Whether or not someone cheated on their wife doesn't determine the qualifications to do a job. But it does determine whether or not he can be trusted to tell the truth about the big important things. I for one, would not trust anything coming out of his mouth. Most of it will not be important, but he will lie about the big things and he has proven that. |
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A liar and cheater at home is a lair and cheater in life. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 12/03/11 03:50 PM
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A liar and cheater at home is a lair and cheater in life. Amen to that! 
Looking at the foundation of your core values http://mingle2.com/topic/show/316001 |
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Everyone knows that politicians are liars. How stupid is a man who lies to his wife and has an affair, and then runs for president expecting that this is not going to be and issue and discovered? Rolo Tamassi he is not. how hypocritical are voters who claim that marital infidelity truly has anything to do with professional abilities and is a political consideration for them, yet relinquich their support for one adulterer just to turn it over to another,,, (newt gingrich doesnt have skeletons?...) lol You can't trust a liar. I don't care how many women he screws, but if he lies to his wife about it, he is not trust worthy. Hilary knew full well what her husband was doing. In theory, this sounds good in reality, life is too complex for it to be as it would require that the only trustworthy people would be those who had NEVER lied,, which leaves out pretty much everyone This is not true. There is nothing wrong with lying is many situations. But lying to your spouse about cheating is just STUPID. AND IT IS BREAKING A SACRED TRUST. AND A CONTRACT. well, I guess it depends upon which 'situations' people feel its ok to lie some people feel its ok to have oral sex as long as there is no intimacy, some people feel its ok to have flirting and intimacy as long as there is no penetration,, if we can rate lies by the 'situation' than thats all the more reason not to make a blanket judgement about an affair,,,,or a one night stand, by a married person,,,as we rarely know the whole 'situation' another person is in (married or not) not to argue that marriage should not be sacred just making the point that those vows dont necessarily translate absolutely to each person and there is more to them than fidelity,,,which means it is possible, in all honesty, for a vow to have been broken BEFORE the infidelity, therefore making that a SITUATION in which the one cheated on may be just as GUILTY as the one doing the cheating fidelity is only one of many parts of the marriage 'contract'. and if its sacred so should all parts be,,, and once one part is BROKEN, does that make the other parts invalid? (as in other contracts) Very well said, msharmony! But it is such a contradiction for someone who is a practicing sacrilegist to condemn another person for not respecting sacred things. 
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can't understand why he even made the attempt if he really has that many Skeletons in the Closet! 
Arrogance. |
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Sat 12/03/11 05:17 PM
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CeriseRose
But it is such a contradiction for someone who is a practicing sacrilegist to condemn another person for not respecting sacred things. What is a practicing sacrilegist? To be clear, I am not "condemning" anyone. I am just saying why I would not trust Herman Cain. It is because he betrayed a trust, ("sacred" or not.) I personally consider a promise to someone who trusts you to be sacred. That is my own personal belief. The religious community always claims that marriage is a sacred bond having to do with God. I don't think of it that way. I think of marriage as a contract and a promise to another person. A treaty of trust. While a contract is not 'sacred' a promise is. If you break promises to your most trusted partners or spouse, you have broken a sacred trust. To break a sacred trust or break your word or your promise, is to destroy the foundation of your value system. Your life built upon that shaky foundation will eventually crumble. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 12/03/11 05:27 PM
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A liar and cheater at home is a lair and cheater in life. But Bill Clinton was a good President right? I wonder if a liar in life is also a liar at home? I think that Obama is off topic here, but I do believe there are some questions about his birth and parentage. I believe he was born in America, but I think it is possible that his real father was Malcom X. 
A spitting image of his father.
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Malcolm X was gay. I know he had kids, but he was gay.
The topic shifted to talking about honesty and President Obama is a huge liar, so I feel I was still on topic. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 12/03/11 05:41 PM
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Malcolm X was gay. I know he had kids, but he was gay. The topic shifted to talking about honesty and President Obama is a huge liar, so I feel I was still on topic. I don't think Malcom X was gay. Anyway, if he had kids whats the difference? I heard a rumor that Obama was gay. Don't know if that's true or not. But if it is, then like father, like son perhaps. Obama is the spitting image of Malcom X and Obama's mother knew Malcom X. |
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also the spitting image of Barack Obama Jr his HALF BROTHER from his fathers third wife RUTH could be that barack sr had children who resembled some other families? that happens within races,,, |
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also the spitting image of Barack Obama Jr his HALF BROTHER from his fathers third wife RUTH could be that barack sr had children who resembled some other families? that happens within races,,, Perhaps Malcom X and them are all related.
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