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Topic: Obama vows to force series of congressional votes if
msharmony's photo
Thu 10/06/11 11:26 PM
I think they were all Presidents. I Just think people confuse presidency with wizardry and dont really have a grasp of the checks and balances of GOVERNMENT and how it limits what the Presidents actually have any real 'power' over,,,

Kleisto's photo
Thu 10/06/11 11:30 PM
Here's the problem, the checks and balances really aren't applied to government like they are to us. There are double standards. They can and do get away with things we can't simply because of their power.

Having said that, I do think the amount of power a president holds is somewhat limited by those above them. You can look at JFK as an example of that (the last good president IMO). He tried to do things that ruffled the feathers of the elite, so they killed him. You only have as much power as they allow, if you breach company line you won't go far. Those who really run things make sure of it.

MzMariah's photo
Fri 10/07/11 09:42 AM
The checks and balances and 'presidents' are beholden to special interests, lobbyists and so forth who are beholden to corporations and eventually the elite are the ones who make and break elections. And if the 'president' doesn't follow their cues they addle him in congress or if somehow he manages to get some piece of influence over the system then he gets assasinated. This is what ages the poor idealistic presidents as soon as they get into office they get ill from their actual impotence.

Chazster's photo
Fri 10/07/11 11:39 AM
Well he did already lie about meeting that teacher in Boston to try and sell his jobs act. I am not sure what else is misinformation.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 10/07/11 11:56 AM
Forcing congress to do their job is not a big deal anyway.

He is trying to stop the second dip I would think they would vote to help us.

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 10/07/11 03:56 PM
In all reality Obama really back stabbed BOTH parties by taking his stand on Medical Marijuana and doubling back on it. He has given clinics here, LEGAL ONES, 45 days to close down or be shut down and the owners operators arrested and property seized. Why I might ask?

Is Obama trying to make us all so mad at congress we don't get our weed we will force their hand? He will blame this on Congress and the Republicans more than likely. This is the most LIKELY scenario.

He also could be trying to barter with hard line Republicans behind the scenes. If he comes down hard on us pot smokers maybe his opponents will think he is making an offer to their beliefs in good faith. This also is a very likely scenario. This one also has operational merit to it.

There also is the possibility that Obama is flexing his muscle trying to impose his power upon America (NOT CONGRESS) and since he said a few months ago, "We will not pursue medical marijuana clinics that operate within their state law," but now "Shut down in 45 days or else," I have to wonder if he is just being a dick. Now Bush Jr. is a stone cold Hypocrite. He was doing blow in his college days and chances are he did some in the Whitehouse too! But he was out the gate anti drug. Not back and forth like Obama. So could this be an ego thing? Very Caligula but I can see this being an Ego Trip too!

I got to ask, if states were collecting taxes on the pot, and that money getting taxed and sent to the Fed, why would they take a desperately needed revenue stream and suddenly cut it like that? Morality? Hell, Obama is a wishy washy liar. LIAR!

So what is he up to exactly? This latest move of his just alienated a WHOLE bunch of Democrats who were all for medical Marijuana. Again where is the change we have been expecting? Well, he changes his promises and his policies with his mood!

I hope he gets blisters on his penis! He is tearing us apart from within and you Democratic Die-hards just refuse to see that. If this is a concession to the Republicans he should admit that but the way he spoke about it made me think it was HIS idea because he can make those decisions!

What if Jerry Brown does grow a pair and has our police and State Marshals arrest any DEA, BATF, or FBI agent attempting to disrupt our clinics? Think Obama will send in the troops? And we mobilize our State Guard. Locals arm up and then what? Bloodshed and a stupid Civil War because Obama wanted to Ego Trip as president because he isn't getting his way because the Electoral College voted him in and not us? Suddenly we shouldn't question his judgement?

I hope this generates a whole new wave of protests over Medical Marijuana and MORE! Time for a real mass protest of DC when Obama isn't campaigning. Or better yet a huge mob descends on him when and where he is campaigning, impedes his escape, yells at him a lot and puts him right under the microscope of America UP CLOSE AND WAY PERSONAL and when his Secret Service agents get nervous and shoot someone I hope that instead of a fear triggered stampede they trigger something far worst, a full blown riot with Obama smack in the middle. His goon squad would find out fast that when a mob is whipped up into a blood thirsty frenzy each pistol his secret service agents carry has only up to 14 shots and a thousand people who don't care, well, 14 shots is good for how many people? Maybe ten agents all armed? 140 people? That leaves 860 blood crazed rioters left to stop! Now for the local PD that will be responsible for overall security. 10,000 pissed off people is more than a police force can deal with, PERIOD. Most protests involve maybe a few thousand. But you start talking tens of thousands, now you need military force. And how does that saying go? The police are minuets away when seconds count. How long does it take the Military to respond? And when they comer into the picture if that mob is mad enough it will become a two sided fight and it will not go well for either side. Losses will be bad on both sides of that fight. And if they dare bring Gunships in I could see this turning in to an all out dissolution of the union. There are other states that would take that for what it was and cede from the Union. A rioting mob might kill Obama in a very graphic way. Think that will scare the crap out of the powers that be? Think Biden taking office will make foolish decisions in the aftermath of something like that? I have to wonder if Obama is suicidal enough to keep on provoking us like this! I can see this decision killing his chances for reelection at least. I didn't vote for him before and I will not do it ever.

This idiot not only walked up to the bee hive and shook it. He now is kicking it!



And worst is he wants us to run through one of these economically!

Kleisto's photo
Fri 10/07/11 04:41 PM

Forcing congress to do their job is not a big deal anyway.

He is trying to stop the second dip I would think they would vote to help us.


You really need to inform yourself Dragoness. He is NOT what you think he is, plain and simple. Majority of politicians are not, they care very little about you. It's time we wake up and realize it.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 10/07/11 04:50 PM


Forcing congress to do their job is not a big deal anyway.

He is trying to stop the second dip I would think they would vote to help us.


You really need to inform yourself Dragoness. He is NOT what you think he is, plain and simple. Majority of politicians are not, they care very little about you. It's time we wake up and realize it.


Have you ever heard that song "Paranoia"? Well it tells what happens when you live in that state too long or at all.

You can't teach me anything at that level. I think you have a lot to learn to teach me at that level but thanks for the effort.

Again requiring congress to do what they do as their job is not a force situation.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 10/07/11 04:57 PM
As to the medical marijuana garbage...as usual Obama is being blamed for something he didn't have anything to do with,

The marijuana shops getting busted by the Feds violated the state restrictions so the Feds busted them as was the original agreement. As long as the shops follow the state laws the feds will leave them be and those shops were not following their state rules.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the President.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 10/07/11 05:05 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 10/07/11 05:06 PM



Forcing congress to do their job is not a big deal anyway.

He is trying to stop the second dip I would think they would vote to help us.


You really need to inform yourself Dragoness. He is NOT what you think he is, plain and simple. Majority of politicians are not, they care very little about you. It's time we wake up and realize it.


Have you ever heard that song "Paranoia"? Well it tells what happens when you live in that state too long or at all.

You can't teach me anything at that level. I think you have a lot to learn to teach me at that level but thanks for the effort.


What exactly WOULD it take for me to teach you then?

It seems to me the reason I can't, is because you just refuse to hear it. Akin to see no evil, hear no evil, or if I don't believe it then it must not exist. But regardless of what you wish to believe, it still does.

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 10/07/11 09:31 PM
Obama said "ALL" dispensaries! Not just the ones offending the state laws. San Diego IS INDEED going after dispensaries within 600 yards of schools and leaving the compliant ones alone. But that is San Diego County, not the Fed. Obama said "ALL" and I was watching the words come out of his mouth on the news LIVE.

AdventureBegins's photo
Fri 10/07/11 10:10 PM


Forcing a vote on something is in effect holding the government and the will of the people with it hostage though. Dirty pool.......but nothing new they all do it.



forcing a vote? what is congress there for? to have coffee and make golf appointments with each other?

its their JOB, ,,,,

They ARE doing their jobs.

The President is not talking about the whole package... He is talking about forcing it back through one little paragraph at a time...

Filibuster by micro laws...

While his pet lacky in the Senate continues to make his own rules as Congress did when they violated the rule of law in passing the Health Reform...

And all yall keep babeling about 'wall street' and 'rich folks' like they are enemies.

They are just the next in a long string of 'victims'...

For you Occupy Wall Street folks... WALL STREET ain't the problem... The folks that are screwing you are mostly in DC... The folks that have been jacking the money don't do it on Wall Street.

They mostly work on line... From locations that would shock you.

The majority of the people that WORK on Wall Street are JUST LIKE YOU... Working class stiffs in suits but stiffs none the less.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 10/08/11 03:41 AM
Does the Guy believe he is the Legislative now?surprised shocked laugh

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Sat 10/08/11 03:51 AM

Does the Guy believe he is the Legislative now?surprised shocked laugh


Truman with horns.....pitchfork Afternoon Con!!waving

bigsmile

smart2009's photo
Sat 10/08/11 04:38 AM
Obama defended the decision to bail out banks and Wall Street during the meltdown in the financial sector in 2008, saying not doing so would have caused far greater damage to the economy. But he said he understands the backlash against that bailout now being voiced in the protests.

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 10/08/11 09:02 AM

Obama defended the decision to bail out banks and Wall Street during the meltdown in the financial sector in 2008, saying not doing so would have caused far greater damage to the economy. But he said he understands the backlash against that bailout now being voiced in the protests.


Oh, NOW he understands.

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/08/11 11:52 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 10/08/11 11:56 AM

Obama said "ALL" dispensaries! Not just the ones offending the state laws. San Diego IS INDEED going after dispensaries within 600 yards of schools and leaving the compliant ones alone. But that is San Diego County, not the Fed. Obama said "ALL" and I was watching the words come out of his mouth on the news LIVE.



do you recall what specific press conference this was, because I cant seem to locate him speaking the words anywhere?


or even approximately when you were watching, because the white house page has all his public announcements , briefings, etc, listed,,,,


thanx

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/08/11 11:57 AM

Does the Guy believe he is the Legislative now?surprised shocked laugh


being a magna cum laude grad at Harvard Law with a major in constitutional law,,, I would seriously doubt that,,,

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