Topic: Seperation of Church and State
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Fri 10/07/11 06:17 PM
I think they should change it to:

IN KARMA WE TRUST.

drinker bigsmile laugh laugh

Dragoness's photo
Fri 10/07/11 06:41 PM

I think they should change it to:

IN KARMA WE TRUST.

drinker bigsmile laugh laugh


Well considering it is money, I would say something tangible. Maybe "in gold we trust" or "in the USA we trust".

In whatever you believe you trust...lol

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Fri 10/07/11 07:05 PM
Edited by jrbogie on Fri 10/07/11 07:12 PM


nowhere. it's common law. you won't find anything in the constitution that gives states the authority to issue drivers licenses either.


haha

Drivers licenses?

That is because the constitution is the framework of the federal government.


your not saying that laws passed by the states are not subject to the constitution of the united states are you? are you really saying that? how do you explain roe v wade then? it was a texas state law that forbade abortion that was found unconstitutional based mainly on the fourteenth amendment. tell me this while we're on the subject of what is and is not in the cosntitution. does the constitution give you the right to vote?

Judicial review was debated and purposely excluded by the framers.

No one discussed interpretation of intent because the Bill of Rights is worded rather simply that most anyone can understand.


not so in the least. the courts often refer to the federalist papers for the purpose of determining what the founders intended. if everyone can understand what the bill of rights say needing no interpretation then how do you explain the controversy over the second amendment? the amendment was interpreted to apply only to the state's right to form a militia. it was not until heller that it was further interpreted as protecting the right of individuals to bear arms for self defense.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

No one is going to tell me that those words mean or their intent was to keep people from discussing or displaying their own personal beliefs in a school or anywhere else.


well the courts have certainly told you as much on numerous occasions. a federal district court in pensylvania said just that when it struck down a local school board's scheme to include intelligent design in the science ciriculum. the court saw that it was a sham, disguising creation, a religious concept, as intelligent design.

Those men were very smart, but apparently they never anticipated how stupid this country would become.


actually that is exactly what they anticipated. the electoral college is a perfect example of how the founders viewed the stupidity of the country both then and in the future.

jrbogie's photo
Fri 10/07/11 07:15 PM


I think they should change it to:

IN KARMA WE TRUST.

drinker bigsmile laugh laugh


Well considering it is money, I would say something tangible. Maybe "in gold we trust" or "in the USA we trust".

In whatever you believe you trust...lol


as long as it spends i'm in love with however it looks.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/07/11 07:40 PM

I think they should change it to:

IN KARMA WE TRUST.

drinker bigsmile laugh laugh


or most currently

in my pleasures I trust
or

in my desires I trust

or in my freedom I trust

or in my values I trust

or in the constitution I trust

or , just simply,, In ME I trust

Dragoness's photo
Fri 10/07/11 07:45 PM



I think they should change it to:

IN KARMA WE TRUST.

drinker bigsmile laugh laugh


Well considering it is money, I would say something tangible. Maybe "in gold we trust" or "in the USA we trust".

In whatever you believe you trust...lol


as long as it spends i'm in love with however it looks.


So far so good on that:thumbsup:

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Fri 10/07/11 09:17 PM


I think they should change it to:

IN KARMA WE TRUST.

drinker bigsmile laugh laugh


or most currently

in my pleasures I trust
or

in my desires I trust

or in my freedom I trust

or in my values I trust

or in the constitution I trust

or , just simply,, In ME I trust


That's an interesting list. With the first two, I figured you were listing 'bad ideas' which made 'In God we Trust' look good by comparison (since I'm not happy about the hedonism and selfishness I see in the world). But freedom and well examined personal values are things I celebrate, and which I'd like others to celebrate. And prioritizing the constitution doesn't strike me as a bad idea.

So I no longer presume you had a socially critical theme in selecting that list.

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Fri 10/07/11 10:35 PM
Well if we wanted to be sarcastic, we could put

IN OUR GOVERNMENT WE TRUST.

rofl rofl rofl rofl

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/07/11 10:37 PM



I think they should change it to:

IN KARMA WE TRUST.

drinker bigsmile laugh laugh


or most currently

in my pleasures I trust
or

in my desires I trust

or in my freedom I trust

or in my values I trust

or in the constitution I trust

or , just simply,, In ME I trust


That's an interesting list. With the first two, I figured you were listing 'bad ideas' which made 'In God we Trust' look good by comparison (since I'm not happy about the hedonism and selfishness I see in the world). But freedom and well examined personal values are things I celebrate, and which I'd like others to celebrate. And prioritizing the constitution doesn't strike me as a bad idea.

So I no longer presume you had a socially critical theme in selecting that list.



nothing except a statement of how many other things have been placed before or in the place of God in our modern culture,,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 10/07/11 11:00 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 10/07/11 11:01 PM
Oh boy here we go again.........frustrated

You do realize that Christianity doesn't hold the monopoly on God right? Just cause they don't conform to what you "believe" God is and what God expects, doesn't mean they are wrong. To think as such is the height of arrogance flat out.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/07/11 11:42 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 10/07/11 11:42 PM

Oh boy here we go again.........frustrated

You do realize that Christianity doesn't hold the monopoly on God right? Just cause they don't conform to what you "believe" God is and what God expects, doesn't mean they are wrong. To think as such is the height of arrogance flat out.



You do realize I never mentioned CHRISTIANITY,,,

and that , whatever connection one has to God, they either put that first or they dont,,,, they trust in it or they dont

no arrogance, just plain logic

Kleisto's photo
Fri 10/07/11 11:43 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 10/07/11 11:43 PM
Seemed sort of implied though given what you believe, but maybe I'm wrong.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/07/11 11:44 PM

Seemed sort of implied though given what you believe.



nothing implied, pretty much posted as it was meant,,,

jrbogie's photo
Sat 10/08/11 03:30 AM

Oh boy here we go again.........frustrated

You do realize that Christianity doesn't hold the monopoly on God right? Just cause they don't conform to what you "believe" God is and what God expects, doesn't mean they are wrong. To think as such is the height of arrogance flat out.


christianity has nothing in the least to do with the topic.

jrbogie's photo
Sat 10/08/11 03:32 AM


Seemed sort of implied though given what you believe.



nothing implied, pretty much posted as it was meant,,,


agreed. you implied nothing regarding your own beliefs during this discussion.

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Sat 10/08/11 01:46 PM


Oh boy here we go again.........frustrated

You do realize that Christianity doesn't hold the monopoly on God right? Just cause they don't conform to what you "believe" God is and what God expects, doesn't mean they are wrong. To think as such is the height of arrogance flat out.


christianity has nothing in the least to do with the topic.


Do you really believe that?

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/08/11 01:52 PM



Oh boy here we go again.........frustrated

You do realize that Christianity doesn't hold the monopoly on God right? Just cause they don't conform to what you "believe" God is and what God expects, doesn't mean they are wrong. To think as such is the height of arrogance flat out.


christianity has nothing in the least to do with the topic.


Do you really believe that?



the topic is all inclusive of any religion,, so the tread would apply to christianity,, although its not ABOUT christianity

it also applies to Islam, catholicism, judaism, taoism, zionism,,,etc,,,,,,

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Sat 10/08/11 01:54 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 10/08/11 02:02 PM
I know.

But I was asking JRboogie. He is the one who made the statement.

He doesn't believe anything so I guess he doesn't believe his own statements.

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/08/11 02:03 PM
oh, sorry to have stepped on Jrs toes,,

Im sure he can post for himself, I thought it was a general question,,,

jrbogie's photo
Sat 10/08/11 03:37 PM
Edited by jrbogie on Sat 10/08/11 03:39 PM

I know.

But I was asking JRboogie. He is the one who made the statement.

He doesn't believe anything so I guess he doesn't believe his own statements.


absurd, jeanie. i realize you've had to wait for my reply but i happen to have other interests that take me away from dating site forums from time to time. i'll stand by my statement. mh, you may place your pretty feet upon my toes whenever it suites you.