Well, what an opening statement huh? I think why I am saying this is past experience and current experience.

The issue is honesty. I see so many women and men here and elsewhere demand it but my issue is what if a person IS being honest? Far too often I have been told by those around me I am too honest for my own good. The problem is when women ask most guys what they want to do they will say ANYTHING but what is really on their mind being too afraid of "chasing the prey off." Me on the other hand, I am not afraid to say what I want at any particular moment. If I want to see a movie I say that. If I want to hit up a concert or something I say that. I also make plans, But when I say what I really want suddenly I am a pig, pervert, and a host of other things.

I am so dismayed at how fuqued up women get when a man they are going out with even remotely suggest sex in any way shape or form. Why get pissed off? I feel like I am supposed to be some sexless automoton and live someone eles's lie.

I hear how so many women accuse men of lying and indeed so many do. Some are afraid of the reprecussions of telling the truth, others are just lying dogs. But with women to say, I want an honest man, and then a guy is being honest with them and suddenly cut him off.... pure and utter BULSHITTE! Likewise guys who lie to get the girl are bottom feeding plecostomous!

But still, why is it I feel like I got to lie to get ahead any more? I think I will do as I tell others, stick to my guns and keep my slate clean. You can't get ahead or have any honor if there is shame in your game.

So if any one out there especially women think I am going to feel guilty if asked what I want to do and the first thing to come to my mind is, "get you naked and see how many ways I can make you squeal in delight," well I am a bastard and I don't care. All she has to say is 'no.'

Why do so many people live a lie? I am s board going to movies, going out to dinners, having to play taxi and getting called to help out. I am tired of having to do all the thinking and heavy work. Sometimes I feel like women try to use me as a resource rather than treat me like a person. Where am I in all of this BS?

Now after reading this, am I the only one out there who feels like this? Is this whole "I want an honest man/woman," a cliche line or what?

i think you just need to get laid.

Couldn't have said it better.

Andy, women don't want honesty, they want you to treat them like **** and spend their money. If they think your broken then they want to be with you because they can "fix" you. Be the pig dude, be the pig!

“If found please report to the U.S. government.”

Andy, women don't want honesty, they want you to treat them like **** and spend their money. If they think your broken then they want to be with you because they can "fix" you. Be the pig dude, be the pig!

There is a way to balance honesty with consideration and respect,, that women will probably respond to better than just ANY brand of honesty (from the hurtful to the sugar coated)

I will openly admit I am sexually starved. 4:20 only deadens the pain sort of. Worst is people think this is a plea for sypathy. NOT! I would rather be alone than have to deal with people's BS. I am, so torn though how when we express what we want others get all weird on us. Hell, I have had homosexuals hit on me but a simple 'no' or my usual line, 'that ain't how I swing, but I won't look down on you for how you swing if you don't look down on me for how I swing we can still be friends,' seems to get the point across quite clear. I also have told women I know I am their friend not a lover and not interested in them. Yeah I am sure it hurts a little but why lie or do something I know I will eventually regret? God yes I would like to get some but not at the expense of my sanity or soul!

I really am under the impression that humans are inately not honest about much at all. Led by liars, surrounded by liars, religion is fraught with lies and liars... I also have lied here and there at times (mostly to avoid getting into some serious stuff!) But I think the worst insult is that most people are not honest with themselves. I am not walking on water here am I???

SQUEALING FOR VENGANCE!!!

Nope, I want complete honesty. I hate when I ask a guy what he wants to do and he says anything. Sounds to me like he has no balls. A guy treats me like crap; I will kick is sorry butt out of my life. Statements like these are exactly why I gave up on dating and ever having a relationship. I am tired of the BS. As for a guy spending money; not going to happen. I hate a guy buying my crap like jewlry and flowers. Its like he is trying to buy my affection; makes my want to puke. I do my own thinking, pay my own bills, do my own renso, do my own lifting, and resolve problems for myself. I certainly don't need a man for anything. Found most guys I dated were damn useless anyways; especially in bed!!!

Yes. Also see "Looks don't matter," "It's what's on the inside that counts," "I'm looking for an intelligent guy," and "I'm laid back and easy going," etc. All of these, and about 99% of everything else you see in dating site profiles, are so cliched that it requires absolutely no functioning brain cells to write them.

Guy seeks girl or girl seeks guy may not take alot of intelligence either,, but they do serve the purpose of getting to the point quickly


I think some people get tired of writing 'profiles' on websites and just prefer to stick to the simplest details that people might relate to before deciding to get to know us better,,, which is when our 'intelligence' or lack thereof should become rather obvious...

I think most people use online dating as an ego boost and a platform to entertain there fantasies. There is no substance to it.

People very often don't even extend you the courtesy of replying if you take interest in them. So you don't even get a clue as to what you are doing wrong (if anything) Or what is appealing or not about you.

When you have established a connection people just decide to stop responding at some point. WTF?

Me, i like to keep my profile modest and short because, why am i going to share all my details with a bunch of strangers for there critical eyes? If you are not even willing to engage in conversation with me i sure as hell am not giving you my life story or give you any hint as to where i am headed in life!!!

Honesty? I think people are mostly honest about factual details but
rarely honest about themselves.

Everybody lives in there own bubble, nobody is genuinely interested in making any real connections.


Yes people are full of ****.

Taking interest in what way? Say on this site if you use the Mutual Match they are notified that "someone" is interested but will not know who.

Just using this as an example of how "interest" may not be getting across properly.

There are a whole slew of people who are on the internet to "game". They want to create a false persona and/or see if they can find people they can take advantage of in almost any way. But this is also true in the "real" world too.

That said. No matter how disappointing it gets, if you come at people (internet or "real" world) with a "you're full of ****" attitude, chances are you won't get a good response.

We get back what we put out there and this is not what we think we are putting out there but what we are really putting out there.

For example, there is honesty and then there are those bullies who pretend they are being honest when in truth they want to be noticed and pushy, using often vulgar and disrespectful mannerisms to portray their "honesty". And can't understand their unluckiness with the opposite sex because they are just being "honest". In these cases, the person's personality is what is the problem, not the honesty. They get what they put out and what they put out isn't respectful or caring. Just an example here not saying you have this problem.

The problem here Andy, is you ask honest people
to explain the dishonest.
Can't get inside that.

And also true is that when you give honesty you
expect reciprocation.
And what we usually get is bad reactions based
on the truth.

Personally, I like honesty, even if I do not like
what I hear.
The truth has a life of its own.

Methinks it comes down to finding the person,
with whom you can live with their version of
the truth.

I will speak up for those of us in relationships from the perspective of a guy who has been single more than once.

When a mans balls back up to his brains a woman can smell that desperation a mile away. Its never suprises me that more woman are interested in me when I am in a healthy relationship than when I am single.

When your physicaly and emotionaly satisfied your more self confident and natural and woman find you more appealing. So hang out with some girls, go to a massage parler for a happy ending and take a gal pal to a movie without your little head thinking for your big head.

Very well said.

Yup, you express any semblence of vunerability and people use it as an excuse to lob insults, make ignorant assumptions and brag about themselves.

This is why people are dishonest.

I can smell a jerk a mile away as well. :)

Funny thing for me is that my attitude was grown by other people around me. I have a very wolf like tendancy. People who say they are scared of me behind my back make me want to give them a reason to be more than scared of me. This goes back to a lot of backstabbing issues I have. The worst thing for me was my own father stabbed me in the back squarely several times before he was tossed completely out of my life.

And as it was said earlier not only can women smell desperation so can us men and I especially can. I also can smell it when a woman is trying to 'game' me. I despise one sided relationships even in friendship!

I think the greatest peeve I got pertaining to this issue is the gross double standard women in the modern age hold men to. We have to be the bread winners. WE MUST be sucessful. And a lot of women equate a sdtable relationship with other women as successful.

No man or woman is an island. Sad but true. God if I had a woman in my life helping me take life istelf on and not acting like a spineless worthless house sitter trolling face book all day long "We" would be a lot farther ahead of the game than just me or her winging it alone.

I think personally many of us are like kids standing outsdide of a window in the rain watching others feast inside and none of them even are willing to toss us a bone.

Also it is impossible for me to have a posititve attitude all the time. I ran out of "Happy" Yellow paint to paint happy faces ion all the BS in this world. I have a positive attitude when I have a reason to but it isn't like I walk around all day going like this....

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Or this!

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But damn if I don't feel so out of my mind horney some times!

And I will not pay for a happy ending. What I got to offer is worth too much to cheapen the experience like that!

So if anything I don't weant to be a dick but I sure can be an Azzhole when I want to be!

And Navygirl, I so WANT TO ARM WRESTLE YOU!







I bet I can take ya!!!!!

if u try to spend my money I'll tie your shoe laces together - touch it at your own peril

ummm

I'll counter that with

"must love camping" (WTF why? when there is a perfectly comfortable BED in the house)

"I have a few beers now & then" (means I will go out and get plastered as often as I feel like it with boys only, as soon as you have said "yes" and I have that ring on your finger)

"No drama" (this man openly baits his ex in the front yard, starts arguments at parent teacher functions and tries to make every married woman in the "hood" - no drama, uh huh...translation = I will create a TON of drama with my bad behavior and u cannot say one word about it.)