Topic: What is "unconditional" Love?
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Tue 09/06/11 05:09 PM

Love is an emotion mostly, its when someone owns a spot in your heart

unconditional love is when there are no conditions under which that person could lose the spot in your heart

you express love by not harming others, and by helping others when its possible to do so with out harming yourself or others in the process...

my love can come with no conditions, but my support, companionship, respect,,,etc,,, cannot


I view love and being much more than an "emotion."

In fact I don't think love is an emotion at all.


Abracadabra's photo
Tue 09/06/11 05:15 PM


What is "unconditional" Love?

And how do you practice it?




Ask a dog. They are very good at it.


Truly.

Dogs have humans beat paws-down when it comes to unconditional love. bigsmile

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 09/06/11 05:21 PM







msharmony's photo
Tue 09/06/11 06:12 PM



What is "unconditional" Love?

And how do you practice it?




Ask a dog. They are very good at it.


Truly.

Dogs have humans beat paws-down when it comes to unconditional love. bigsmile


except when they are abused or mistreated, and they snap and turn just like humans will,,,,

they arent really that much more capable of unconditional love, they just have different level of dependence for survival(once they are domesticated)

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 09/06/11 06:39 PM


Unconditional love is giving love with no conditions, no "reward" needed, just gives love no matter what.

This is exactly what Jesus gives to us.


If that's the case then why do you constantly preach that there are extreme conditions placed on this love?

If there are no conditions on Jesus' love then there cannot be any requirements to receive it, and that would most certainly include worship any specific dogma that contains endless lists of requirements.

whoa

For a Christian to say that Jesus' love is "unconditional" is an oxymoron unless they are prepared to recognize that everyone has obtained Jesus' love no matter what they believe.

But then it would be silly to speak of being "saved" by Jesus, since that implies that they had been "saved" from not being loved by Jesus, which cannot happen if his love is truly unconditional.

So which is it?

Are there conditions to be "saved" by Jesus, or not?

If there are, then his love cannot be "unconditional".


There are absolutely no conditions to receive Jesus' love, none, not one condition. Heaven/eternal life is a REWARD, it is earned through our faith and works of faith. Just because one may not go to heaven, doesn't mean Jesus didn't love them. Jesus loving us doesn't mean he has to spoil us.

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Tue 09/06/11 06:57 PM



Unconditional love is giving love with no conditions, no "reward" needed, just gives love no matter what.

This is exactly what Jesus gives to us.


If that's the case then why do you constantly preach that there are extreme conditions placed on this love?

If there are no conditions on Jesus' love then there cannot be any requirements to receive it, and that would most certainly include worship any specific dogma that contains endless lists of requirements.

whoa

For a Christian to say that Jesus' love is "unconditional" is an oxymoron unless they are prepared to recognize that everyone has obtained Jesus' love no matter what they believe.

But then it would be silly to speak of being "saved" by Jesus, since that implies that they had been "saved" from not being loved by Jesus, which cannot happen if his love is truly unconditional.

So which is it?

Are there conditions to be "saved" by Jesus, or not?

If there are, then his love cannot be "unconditional".


There are absolutely no conditions to receive Jesus' love, none, not one condition. Heaven/eternal life is a REWARD, it is earned through our faith and works of faith. Just because one may not go to heaven, doesn't mean Jesus didn't love them. Jesus loving us doesn't mean he has to spoil us.


If that were true then there would be no need for hell and everyone would be guaranteed a place in heaven. Now that would be unconditional love.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 09/06/11 08:38 PM




Unconditional love is giving love with no conditions, no "reward" needed, just gives love no matter what.

This is exactly what Jesus gives to us.


If that's the case then why do you constantly preach that there are extreme conditions placed on this love?

If there are no conditions on Jesus' love then there cannot be any requirements to receive it, and that would most certainly include worship any specific dogma that contains endless lists of requirements.

whoa

For a Christian to say that Jesus' love is "unconditional" is an oxymoron unless they are prepared to recognize that everyone has obtained Jesus' love no matter what they believe.

But then it would be silly to speak of being "saved" by Jesus, since that implies that they had been "saved" from not being loved by Jesus, which cannot happen if his love is truly unconditional.

So which is it?

Are there conditions to be "saved" by Jesus, or not?

If there are, then his love cannot be "unconditional".


There are absolutely no conditions to receive Jesus' love, none, not one condition. Heaven/eternal life is a REWARD, it is earned through our faith and works of faith. Just because one may not go to heaven, doesn't mean Jesus didn't love them. Jesus loving us doesn't mean he has to spoil us.


If that were true then there would be no need for hell and everyone would be guaranteed a place in heaven. Now that would be unconditional love.


Not necessarily. Hell is not for man, man will not reside in hell. Hell is a holding place for Satan and his minions, not any place for man. In the end of time hell is destroyed and thrown into the lake of fire.

And no not everyone would be guaranteed a place in Heaven. Heaven is a reward, it is earned through faith and our actions that follow. Mankind in general was kicked out of the paradise for disobedience, that is why one must be obedient before one can enter. We must show that we are not like Adam and Eve. Not inferring one being better then the other or anything of that sense. Just we are to show we are faithful and deserve to reside in the paradise God has made for us.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 09/06/11 08:52 PM





Unconditional love is giving love with no conditions, no "reward" needed, just gives love no matter what.

This is exactly what Jesus gives to us.


If that's the case then why do you constantly preach that there are extreme conditions placed on this love?

If there are no conditions on Jesus' love then there cannot be any requirements to receive it, and that would most certainly include worship any specific dogma that contains endless lists of requirements.

whoa

For a Christian to say that Jesus' love is "unconditional" is an oxymoron unless they are prepared to recognize that everyone has obtained Jesus' love no matter what they believe.

But then it would be silly to speak of being "saved" by Jesus, since that implies that they had been "saved" from not being loved by Jesus, which cannot happen if his love is truly unconditional.

So which is it?

Are there conditions to be "saved" by Jesus, or not?

If there are, then his love cannot be "unconditional".


There are absolutely no conditions to receive Jesus' love, none, not one condition. Heaven/eternal life is a REWARD, it is earned through our faith and works of faith. Just because one may not go to heaven, doesn't mean Jesus didn't love them. Jesus loving us doesn't mean he has to spoil us.


If that were true then there would be no need for hell and everyone would be guaranteed a place in heaven. Now that would be unconditional love.


Not necessarily. Hell is not for man, man will not reside in hell. Hell is a holding place for Satan and his minions, not any place for man. In the end of time hell is destroyed and thrown into the lake of fire.

And no not everyone would be guaranteed a place in Heaven. Heaven is a reward, it is earned through faith and our actions that follow. Mankind in general was kicked out of the paradise for disobedience, that is why one must be obedient before one can enter. We must show that we are not like Adam and Eve. Not inferring one being better then the other or anything of that sense. Just we are to show we are faithful and deserve to reside in the paradise God has made for us.


Do you really believe this crap you write or are you just writing for your entertainment?

Unconditional love means that all would be the same. There can be no rewards that others do not get.

So it is not unconditional love.

It makes perfects sense because man create god so the limits of man are in his stories.

I have yet to see complete unconditional love from a human.

Human=god=conditions.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 09/06/11 08:56 PM






Unconditional love is giving love with no conditions, no "reward" needed, just gives love no matter what.

This is exactly what Jesus gives to us.


If that's the case then why do you constantly preach that there are extreme conditions placed on this love?

If there are no conditions on Jesus' love then there cannot be any requirements to receive it, and that would most certainly include worship any specific dogma that contains endless lists of requirements.

whoa

For a Christian to say that Jesus' love is "unconditional" is an oxymoron unless they are prepared to recognize that everyone has obtained Jesus' love no matter what they believe.

But then it would be silly to speak of being "saved" by Jesus, since that implies that they had been "saved" from not being loved by Jesus, which cannot happen if his love is truly unconditional.

So which is it?

Are there conditions to be "saved" by Jesus, or not?

If there are, then his love cannot be "unconditional".


There are absolutely no conditions to receive Jesus' love, none, not one condition. Heaven/eternal life is a REWARD, it is earned through our faith and works of faith. Just because one may not go to heaven, doesn't mean Jesus didn't love them. Jesus loving us doesn't mean he has to spoil us.


If that were true then there would be no need for hell and everyone would be guaranteed a place in heaven. Now that would be unconditional love.


Not necessarily. Hell is not for man, man will not reside in hell. Hell is a holding place for Satan and his minions, not any place for man. In the end of time hell is destroyed and thrown into the lake of fire.

And no not everyone would be guaranteed a place in Heaven. Heaven is a reward, it is earned through faith and our actions that follow. Mankind in general was kicked out of the paradise for disobedience, that is why one must be obedient before one can enter. We must show that we are not like Adam and Eve. Not inferring one being better then the other or anything of that sense. Just we are to show we are faithful and deserve to reside in the paradise God has made for us.


Do you really believe this crap you write or are you just writing for your entertainment?

Unconditional love means that all would be the same. There can be no rewards that others do not get.

So it is not unconditional love.

It makes perfects sense because man create god so the limits of man are in his stories.

I have yet to see complete unconditional love from a human.

Human=god=conditions.


So if you have 2 children and 1 of them gets straight A's on their report card, so you reward this child but not the other. Say you get them an Xbox game or something of such but not the other....... you love the one child that you gave the game to, but not the other? o.O How do "rewards" depend on who you love?

Who ever said God didn't love the one's the miss out on Heaven? God hates no one, God loves everyone of us.

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Tue 09/06/11 09:01 PM
I have yet to see complete unconditional love from a human.


Dragoness, do you think you can "see" unconditional love?

Dragoness's photo
Tue 09/06/11 09:09 PM

I have yet to see complete unconditional love from a human.


Dragoness, do you think you can "see" unconditional love?



Of course, it is seen through actions/non actions of people who feel love.

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Tue 09/06/11 09:13 PM


I have yet to see complete unconditional love from a human.


Dragoness, do you think you can "see" unconditional love?



Of course, it is seen through actions/non actions of people who feel love.


Well maybe.

I see it in genuine kindness and understanding.

I have seen it.

Foliel's photo
Fri 09/09/11 05:11 PM







Unconditional love is giving love with no conditions, no "reward" needed, just gives love no matter what.

This is exactly what Jesus gives to us.


If that's the case then why do you constantly preach that there are extreme conditions placed on this love?

If there are no conditions on Jesus' love then there cannot be any requirements to receive it, and that would most certainly include worship any specific dogma that contains endless lists of requirements.

whoa

For a Christian to say that Jesus' love is "unconditional" is an oxymoron unless they are prepared to recognize that everyone has obtained Jesus' love no matter what they believe.

But then it would be silly to speak of being "saved" by Jesus, since that implies that they had been "saved" from not being loved by Jesus, which cannot happen if his love is truly unconditional.

So which is it?

Are there conditions to be "saved" by Jesus, or not?

If there are, then his love cannot be "unconditional".


There are absolutely no conditions to receive Jesus' love, none, not one condition. Heaven/eternal life is a REWARD, it is earned through our faith and works of faith. Just because one may not go to heaven, doesn't mean Jesus didn't love them. Jesus loving us doesn't mean he has to spoil us.


If that were true then there would be no need for hell and everyone would be guaranteed a place in heaven. Now that would be unconditional love.


Not necessarily. Hell is not for man, man will not reside in hell. Hell is a holding place for Satan and his minions, not any place for man. In the end of time hell is destroyed and thrown into the lake of fire.

And no not everyone would be guaranteed a place in Heaven. Heaven is a reward, it is earned through faith and our actions that follow. Mankind in general was kicked out of the paradise for disobedience, that is why one must be obedient before one can enter. We must show that we are not like Adam and Eve. Not inferring one being better then the other or anything of that sense. Just we are to show we are faithful and deserve to reside in the paradise God has made for us.


Do you really believe this crap you write or are you just writing for your entertainment?

Unconditional love means that all would be the same. There can be no rewards that others do not get.

So it is not unconditional love.

It makes perfects sense because man create god so the limits of man are in his stories.

I have yet to see complete unconditional love from a human.

Human=god=conditions.


So if you have 2 children and 1 of them gets straight A's on their report card, so you reward this child but not the other. Say you get them an Xbox game or something of such but not the other....... you love the one child that you gave the game to, but not the other? o.O How do "rewards" depend on who you love?

Who ever said God didn't love the one's the miss out on Heaven? God hates no one, God loves everyone of us.


I'd be asking why can't I have those parents....

I never got rewarded for getting good grades, I just wanted good grades. My mom never rewarded one without some type for all 3. There were no rewards for good deeds or behavior. There were consequences for bad behavior, usually something taken away from us. However reward and punishment are not the same thing.

Unconditional love is just that. You love the person as they are, not as someone says they should be. I am gay, my mom is christian as is my sister, neither of them try to change me. neither of them tries to convince me to be "straight" or to keep it in the closet.

as my mom put it: "You are first and foremost, my child. I will love you no matter your sexual preferences or any mistakes you might make. I will always be here for you when you need me."

For me that is uncondtional love, loving someone regardless of flaws, mistakes, preferences or who they are as a person.

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Fri 09/09/11 05:13 PM
unconditional love does not involve absence of love for oneself

and love for oneself sometimes requires a minimum standard by which we hold others

I can love someone unconditionally, but not want them in my home, around my children,,,etc,,,



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Fri 09/09/11 05:17 PM








Unconditional love is giving love with no conditions, no "reward" needed, just gives love no matter what.

This is exactly what Jesus gives to us.


If that's the case then why do you constantly preach that there are extreme conditions placed on this love?

If there are no conditions on Jesus' love then there cannot be any requirements to receive it, and that would most certainly include worship any specific dogma that contains endless lists of requirements.

whoa

For a Christian to say that Jesus' love is "unconditional" is an oxymoron unless they are prepared to recognize that everyone has obtained Jesus' love no matter what they believe.

But then it would be silly to speak of being "saved" by Jesus, since that implies that they had been "saved" from not being loved by Jesus, which cannot happen if his love is truly unconditional.

So which is it?

Are there conditions to be "saved" by Jesus, or not?

If there are, then his love cannot be "unconditional".


There are absolutely no conditions to receive Jesus' love, none, not one condition. Heaven/eternal life is a REWARD, it is earned through our faith and works of faith. Just because one may not go to heaven, doesn't mean Jesus didn't love them. Jesus loving us doesn't mean he has to spoil us.


If that were true then there would be no need for hell and everyone would be guaranteed a place in heaven. Now that would be unconditional love.


Not necessarily. Hell is not for man, man will not reside in hell. Hell is a holding place for Satan and his minions, not any place for man. In the end of time hell is destroyed and thrown into the lake of fire.

And no not everyone would be guaranteed a place in Heaven. Heaven is a reward, it is earned through faith and our actions that follow. Mankind in general was kicked out of the paradise for disobedience, that is why one must be obedient before one can enter. We must show that we are not like Adam and Eve. Not inferring one being better then the other or anything of that sense. Just we are to show we are faithful and deserve to reside in the paradise God has made for us.


Do you really believe this crap you write or are you just writing for your entertainment?

Unconditional love means that all would be the same. There can be no rewards that others do not get.

So it is not unconditional love.

It makes perfects sense because man create god so the limits of man are in his stories.

I have yet to see complete unconditional love from a human.

Human=god=conditions.


So if you have 2 children and 1 of them gets straight A's on their report card, so you reward this child but not the other. Say you get them an Xbox game or something of such but not the other....... you love the one child that you gave the game to, but not the other? o.O How do "rewards" depend on who you love?

Who ever said God didn't love the one's the miss out on Heaven? God hates no one, God loves everyone of us.


I'd be asking why can't I have those parents....

I never got rewarded for getting good grades, I just wanted good grades. My mom never rewarded one without some type for all 3. There were no rewards for good deeds or behavior. There were consequences for bad behavior, usually something taken away from us. However reward and punishment are not the same thing.

Unconditional love is just that. You love the person as they are, not as someone says they should be. I am gay, my mom is christian as is my sister, neither of them try to change me. neither of them tries to convince me to be "straight" or to keep it in the closet.

as my mom put it: "You are first and foremost, my child. I will love you no matter your sexual preferences or any mistakes you might make. I will always be here for you when you need me."

For me that is uncondtional love, loving someone regardless of flaws, mistakes, preferences or who they are as a person.



we didnt get immediate rewards for good grades, but we did earn privileges for CONSISTENTLY getting excellent grades

and of course, if we did manage such a task while a sibling did not,, we were not GIVEN The same thing

but we were all loved unconditionally,, that has nothing to do with rewards or punishments,, rewards and punishments in life serve to teach/inspire us,, not as a condition of love or any other emotions...

Kleisto's photo
Fri 09/09/11 05:40 PM

Divine love is unconditional love. It understands.


On that vein, I've been told that mankind is actually inherently good. Why? We always have a good reason for what we do, even if bad. Something to think about there.

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Fri 09/09/11 05:43 PM
it depends upon what we define as 'good' reason

I think we are inherently SELFISH, dont know if thats good or bad

but ultimately, we want to do what is immediately satisfying to us and we would rather not have to think beyond that,,,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 09/09/11 05:48 PM

it depends upon what we define as 'good' reason

I think we are inherently SELFISH, dont know if thats good or bad

but ultimately, we want to do what is immediately satisfying to us and we would rather not have to think beyond that,,,,


When I say good reason, I mean whatever reason they may have, to them it is "good" even if it's not.

As for being selfish, I don't see much selfish about making of our lives what want to make it. I think man has made us seem more selfish than we really are quite frankly, especially in religion.

msharmony's photo
Fri 09/09/11 05:50 PM


it depends upon what we define as 'good' reason

I think we are inherently SELFISH, dont know if thats good or bad

but ultimately, we want to do what is immediately satisfying to us and we would rather not have to think beyond that,,,,


When I say good reason, I mean whatever reason they may have, to them it is "good" even if it's not.

As for being selfish, I don't see much selfish about making of our lives what want to make it. I think man has made us seem more selfish than we really are quite frankly, especially in religion.



thats precisely what I mean by selfish, wanting what WE WANT,,, with focus almost exclusively on ourself and MAYBE our IMMEDIATE surroundings,,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 09/09/11 05:53 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 09/09/11 05:53 PM



it depends upon what we define as 'good' reason

I think we are inherently SELFISH, dont know if thats good or bad

but ultimately, we want to do what is immediately satisfying to us and we would rather not have to think beyond that,,,,


When I say good reason, I mean whatever reason they may have, to them it is "good" even if it's not.

As for being selfish, I don't see much selfish about making of our lives what want to make it. I think man has made us seem more selfish than we really are quite frankly, especially in religion.



thats precisely what I mean by selfish, wanting what WE WANT,,, with focus almost exclusively on ourself and MAYBE our IMMEDIATE surroundings,,,


What exactly is the point of being here if we aren't allowed to experience everything we wish to, provided it isn't harming anybody.