I was watching one of those manly films and I realized something while watching the manly commiseration.

Do men and women realize that when men jokingly insult each other by referring to each other as women (ladies, schoolgirls, etc..), they are insulting women in the process?

So how can these men think highly of women if they do this? I mean at least a subconscious level they do not believe women are equal to men or they wouldn't consider it insulting to be called such.

Food for thought......

Either he was so comfortable speaking with you that he forgot, or he didn't know the term "dudette".

I really take things in 'context' (The person saying it, the situation, the immediate environment)

I wouldnt feel offended in some cases and in other cases I might

it would totally depend but MERELY having a man joke with another man about being a girla girl would not by itself automatically offend me...

That would be because you accept yourself as less than man.

If a man believes that to be girlie makes him less than a man, he means that to be a woman is less than a man.

Reverse it, if we referred to women that we thought were less than a normal woman as manish, or boyish or males that would mean we see men as less than women.

I guess it depends upon what environment we are raised in. I never saw such comparisons as being anything but a comparison of different traits. The 'less than' , 'more than' thing is a personal interpretation that I dont tend to immediately assume about such comparisons.

nope, It would be because I understand the context of the english language and how 'friends' have boundaries that are different than the larger mainstream circle

And women never refer to another woman as "manish"?

LOL, there is no way around the insulting interpretation unless you believe you are less than them and it is okay to be less.

apparently,, there is,,,,

see above,,,lol

I think in most cases this is what it is. The same way my girlfriends and I will sit around and talk quite negatively about men. We love men. But, we talk a lot of **** about them.

It is not an insult nor does it mean less than a normal woman as it does when a man refers to another man as a lady.

Except above only shows a woman who believes she is less and that it is okay to be referred to as such

I guess thats what YOU believe I believe, although there is no evidence of it in these threads, or how I speak or carry myself

but above shows what I actually DO believe, which is not that men and women are less than/ more than

but that husband and wife have different responsibilities in their family unit,,,IF they have mutually consented to it,,

When a man refers to another man as womanly he is insulting him and all men consider it so. Women should get on the band wagon so they are not allowing themselves to be degraded.

and to most of us who are hetero that is also considered an insult - not because we think we are better than men

but because we are NOT men we are women - we are DIFFERENT than men and we do not want to be men (and TBH the androgyny movement gives me a pain sometimes)

we have identities as females and wish to thought of as feminine

reverse the above for men

not all females want to be thought of as feminine I guess and that is their choice but many of us do

and certainly most men do not wish to be thought of as feminine, but as predominantly masculine

it's not that either gender intends anything negative about the other - in fact many men are fascinated and a little nervous around things very feminine- they get "itchy", as we are different (there I said it)

I would definitely take it as an insult

It is not the same. It does not imply less than like the woman insult does.

thank you

being a doctor who someone refers to as pastor because of constant preaching

or being a teacher who someone refers to as doctor because of constant health advise

is not a statement that any of those groups think the other group is 'less',,, it is just that they recognize certain 'traits' common in those groups

just like I may call my son DAD because he tries to be responsible for me,, and I certainly laugh when I say it, but I loved my DAD to death and he was certainly no 'less' than my son

Not the same analogy at all.

Are you trying to make excuses for the foul?

There is no excuse for the misogyny of the males in our society and only women can stand up for themselves and stop it from happening.

You are not standing up for yourself and that is sad to me.

But you have the right to allow others to degrade you when they do. It is your choice.