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Topic: Happy hopey changey day
boredinaz06's photo
Sun 08/21/11 09:36 AM
OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!

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Sun 08/21/11 11:12 AM

OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!

Bill Clinton left office with no debt left behind, Geo. W. put us in debt.

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/21/11 01:38 PM
technically, the president takes office on January 20

at that time , in 2009:

Fuel(on the west coast) was at an average of 2.06
(althouth the president's office doesnt set gas prices)

the national unemployment rate was at 7.6 percent

the national debt (as of January 2 2009) stood at 10.7 trillion
(with about 40 percent of PRE EXISTING private debts coming mature in 2009 , causing the government to have to borrow to repay them)


,,,its never as simple as people think,, and we will never know how much WORSE it could have gotten without the choices that have been made,,,

motowndowntown's photo
Sun 08/21/11 01:54 PM
Gas was a buck sixty in 08????????

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/21/11 01:57 PM

Gas was a buck sixty in 08????????



it depends upon where you live,, gas is usually higher on the west coast than on the east...

Lpdon's photo
Sun 08/21/11 02:02 PM


OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!

Bill Clinton left office with no debt left behind, Geo. W. put us in debt.


Actually, the US has NEVER not had a National Debt. Liberals twisted that way around.


motowndowntown's photo
Sun 08/21/11 02:09 PM
Here's the thing about gas prices;

When I first started driving gas would go from around 25 cents to 40 cents in less than a week which is what, check my math here, about an eighty percent increase?

Now gas goes from 3.60 to 3.90 which is what, check my math again,
about a ten percent increase or less, and people want to impeach the president???????

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/21/11 02:15 PM
the president doesnt set gas prices


msharmony's photo
Sun 08/21/11 02:16 PM


OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!

Bill Clinton left office with no debt left behind, Geo. W. put us in debt.



no, Clinton left us with no DEFICIT

Think of DEBT As the total amount you still owe on everything, your car, house,,etc,,,

think of DEFICIT as how far behind you are on the PAYMENTS on those items


we were caught up on our payments when he left, but we still owed



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Sun 08/21/11 02:24 PM

OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!


c'mon, do you REALLY believe that this deterioration is only the outcome of the last 2 1/2 years?!?! This is the result of many, many, many years of bad management and choices made out of greed, selfishness and self gratification. No one person is responsible and no one event is the cause.

such silly-ness! :tongue:

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Sun 08/21/11 02:49 PM


OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!


c'mon, do you REALLY believe that this deterioration is only the outcome of the last 2 1/2 years?!?! This is the result of many, many, many years of bad management and choices made out of greed, selfishness and self gratification. No one person is responsible and no one event is the cause.

such silly-ness! :tongue:



That is true ... but ... some bozos make it worse.

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Sun 08/21/11 03:50 PM


OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!


c'mon, do you REALLY believe that this deterioration is only the outcome of the last 2 1/2 years?!?! This is the result of many, many, many years of bad management and choices made out of greed, selfishness and self gratification. No one person is responsible and no one event is the cause.

such silly-ness! :tongue:




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Sun 08/21/11 03:51 PM



OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!


c'mon, do you REALLY believe that this deterioration is only the outcome of the last 2 1/2 years?!?! This is the result of many, many, many years of bad management and choices made out of greed, selfishness and self gratification. No one person is responsible and no one event is the cause.

such silly-ness! :tongue:



That is true ... but ... some bozos make it worse.


Like the "tea baggers" that are willing to destroy a country to save it?

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Sun 08/21/11 09:50 PM


When Bush took office the debt was 5.7 trillion, 8 years later it was 10.8 trillion. In 8 years he raised the debt by 5.1 trillion. Today that debt is at 14.6 trillion, Obama has raised it 3.5 trillion in a little over 2 years. This tells me that Obama is spending at a faster rate then Bush and IF he wins a second term and keeps this pace in another 5 1/2 years he will have raised it to 19.5 trillion. Numbers don't lie. Gas prices and the debt they have is wrong, but the rest of it is correct and so are my numbers.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/21/11 09:57 PM



When Bush took office the debt was 5.7 trillion, 8 years later it was 10.8 trillion. In 8 years he raised the debt by 5.1 trillion. Today that debt is at 14.6 trillion, Obama has raised it 3.5 trillion in a little over 2 years. This tells me that Obama is spending at a faster rate then Bush and IF he wins a second term and keeps this pace in another 5 1/2 years he will have raised it to 19.5 trillion. Numbers don't lie. Gas prices and the debt they have is wrong, but the rest of it is correct and so are my numbers.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/



its not that simplistic though

because Bush last fiscal budget was actually not over until october of 2009, when the debt was close to 12.1 trillion

we will have to see where the deficit stands in october of 2013 to truly do a comparison,,,,

oldhippie1952's photo
Sun 08/21/11 10:23 PM


OBAMA INHERITED: a AAA credit rating; $1.61 gas (as of 12/31/08); 5.4% unemployment; and an 8 trillion dollar debt (accumulated since 1776, that was called “devastating”). 2 and 1/2 years later, we have an AA credit rating, nearly tripled gas prices, 9-10% unemployment & the debt ceiling is 17 TRILLION. Some STILL say this is a good job! Not sure who is scarier Hussein or his supporters. NUMBERS DON’T LIE!

Bill Clinton left office with no debt left behind, Geo. W. put us in debt.


That is not true, Clinton left office with a smoke and mirrrors "balanced budget" and 4 to 5 trillion in debt. A ghastly sum.

Unemployment would rise regardless of President as companies sent jobs overseas.

boredinaz06's photo
Mon 08/22/11 12:43 AM




When Bush took office the debt was 5.7 trillion, 8 years later it was 10.8 trillion. In 8 years he raised the debt by 5.1 trillion. Today that debt is at 14.6 trillion, Obama has raised it 3.5 trillion in a little over 2 years. This tells me that Obama is spending at a faster rate then Bush and IF he wins a second term and keeps this pace in another 5 1/2 years he will have raised it to 19.5 trillion. Numbers don't lie. Gas prices and the debt they have is wrong, but the rest of it is correct and so are my numbers.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/



its not that simplistic though

because Bush last fiscal budget was actually not over until october of 2009, when the debt was close to 12.1 trillion

we will have to see where the deficit stands in october of 2013 to truly do a comparison,,,,


Where did you find this?

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Mon 08/22/11 01:21 AM





When Bush took office the debt was 5.7 trillion, 8 years later it was 10.8 trillion. In 8 years he raised the debt by 5.1 trillion. Today that debt is at 14.6 trillion, Obama has raised it 3.5 trillion in a little over 2 years. This tells me that Obama is spending at a faster rate then Bush and IF he wins a second term and keeps this pace in another 5 1/2 years he will have raised it to 19.5 trillion. Numbers don't lie. Gas prices and the debt they have is wrong, but the rest of it is correct and so are my numbers.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/



its not that simplistic though

because Bush last fiscal budget was actually not over until october of 2009, when the debt was close to 12.1 trillion

we will have to see where the deficit stands in october of 2013 to truly do a comparison,,,,


Where did you find this?


http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/browse.html

tells which years correlate to which presidents budget


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year#United_States

explains how long a fiscal year runs


http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy11/pdf/hist.pdf

shows federal debt at the end of fiscal year 2009 at approximately 11.9 trillion (roughly 6.1 more than eight years prior, or more than 100 percent increase, depending on how you want to look at it)

it now stands at 14.6 trill( roughly , or 2.7 tril more than two years earlier, or 25 percent increase, depending upon how you want to look at it)

no photo
Mon 08/22/11 07:11 PM
This tells me that Obama is spending at a faster rate then Bush and IF he wins a second term and keeps this pace in another 5 1/2 years he will have raised it to 19.5 trillion. Numbers don't lie.


Numbers don't lie, but they are often misused. What this tells you is that extreme right forces have prevented the raising of revenues to bring the deficit down. Two thirds of the American people want this, but America went a little crazy in the last election.

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Tue 08/23/11 12:12 AM






When Bush took office the debt was 5.7 trillion, 8 years later it was 10.8 trillion. In 8 years he raised the debt by 5.1 trillion. Today that debt is at 14.6 trillion, Obama has raised it 3.5 trillion in a little over 2 years. This tells me that Obama is spending at a faster rate then Bush and IF he wins a second term and keeps this pace in another 5 1/2 years he will have raised it to 19.5 trillion. Numbers don't lie. Gas prices and the debt they have is wrong, but the rest of it is correct and so are my numbers.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/



its not that simplistic though

because Bush last fiscal budget was actually not over until october of 2009, when the debt was close to 12.1 trillion

we will have to see where the deficit stands in october of 2013 to truly do a comparison,,,,


Where did you find this?


http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/browse.html

tells which years correlate to which presidents budget


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year#United_States

explains how long a fiscal year runs


http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy11/pdf/hist.pdf

shows federal debt at the end of fiscal year 2009 at approximately 11.9 trillion (roughly 6.1 more than eight years prior, or more than 100 percent increase, depending on how you want to look at it)

it now stands at 14.6 trill( roughly , or 2.7 tril more than two years earlier, or 25 percent increase, depending upon how you want to look at it)



Ok so instead of him spending 3.5 trillion he spent 2.7, kinda splitting hairs when your talking trillions.

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