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sounds like one personal issue out of thousands.. But it doesn't have to be. If people wouldn't push for such conformity in things, and allow for individuality, you wouldn't have these problems. The person would be much more free to make their own decisions that way than they otherwise are. you cant have only individuality in a society, more than one person is going to require some degree of conformity to function as a team...or a family, or a class, or a company, or a community,,,etc,,,, To a certain extent, but you don't wanna wound people so tight that there is NO room for individuality at all. And by expecting everyone to believe what you believe in religion and be damned if they don't, that is what you end up doing. ID say christians are as individual as anyone else, its false logic to assume that because we get 'laws' from one book of words (bible), that we are any less individual from those who get their 'laws' from another document or from men(the constitution and the congress) The bottom line is simply this, how can we be free to be who we are or wish to become, when according to you we HAVE to go in one direction to have any life past this one? That simply does not work, I don't care how you try to twist it. There is NO room for individuality if you have to conform to something or someone to stay alive. Period. Besides, what would be the point of God making us the way He did, with the ability to do anything we want to do, to make of our lives whatever we wish to make them only to say: "Oh but you must do this this and this or you'll die". It makes not a bit of sense! If God wanted obedient slaves he'd have made us that way. He didn't though. We are made as we are for a reason, and bowing down to some being in the sky isn't it. what is the point of being able to travel if I Have to go WEst to reach california... thats what the question seems like to me I do have the choice, in my life or in my car, of which paths to take, but I dont have the choice of where the paths lead,, they lead where they lead But see the whole thing is, there's a HUGE difference between that and this. If you don't wanna go to California, nothing is holding you back from not going. You are totally free to go somewhere else, and there's no death threats over your head if you do that. The same can not be said of the Bible God. The thing is entirely fear based and I refuse to believe that a loving God would use fear. No that's all man. Also as a sidenote, when you travel somewhere, there are always different ways to get to where you want. You are not limited to one way. Why should God be any different? Why can't all paths go back to the source? And no a book saying different doesn't count as proof of your side either. You're gonna need more than that. What are you talking about? There are no fear threats, no threats even. We do not worship, praise, and believe out of fear. We have a RELATIONSHIP with God our father. Uh ACCEPT MY RELIGION OR DIE IS A THREAT! You'd have to be biased to prove it not, to not see that. man has labeled 'religions', it is not in the bible that we must believe 'a religion'. IT is in the bible that we will all experience a MORTAL death, not a threat, a reality. IT is also explained that there is one through which we can live beyond our 'mortal' death into an 'immortal' eternity Right but just because a book says it that makes it automatically true? Please. There is a whole other world that exists beyond it, it's NOT the be all and end all for truth. |
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sounds like one personal issue out of thousands.. But it doesn't have to be. If people wouldn't push for such conformity in things, and allow for individuality, you wouldn't have these problems. The person would be much more free to make their own decisions that way than they otherwise are. you cant have only individuality in a society, more than one person is going to require some degree of conformity to function as a team...or a family, or a class, or a company, or a community,,,etc,,,, To a certain extent, but you don't wanna wound people so tight that there is NO room for individuality at all. And by expecting everyone to believe what you believe in religion and be damned if they don't, that is what you end up doing. ID say christians are as individual as anyone else, its false logic to assume that because we get 'laws' from one book of words (bible), that we are any less individual from those who get their 'laws' from another document or from men(the constitution and the congress) The bottom line is simply this, how can we be free to be who we are or wish to become, when according to you we HAVE to go in one direction to have any life past this one? That simply does not work, I don't care how you try to twist it. There is NO room for individuality if you have to conform to something or someone to stay alive. Period. Besides, what would be the point of God making us the way He did, with the ability to do anything we want to do, to make of our lives whatever we wish to make them only to say: "Oh but you must do this this and this or you'll die". It makes not a bit of sense! If God wanted obedient slaves he'd have made us that way. He didn't though. We are made as we are for a reason, and bowing down to some being in the sky isn't it. what is the point of being able to travel if I Have to go WEst to reach california... thats what the question seems like to me I do have the choice, in my life or in my car, of which paths to take, but I dont have the choice of where the paths lead,, they lead where they lead But see the whole thing is, there's a HUGE difference between that and this. If you don't wanna go to California, nothing is holding you back from not going. You are totally free to go somewhere else, and there's no death threats over your head if you do that. The same can not be said of the Bible God. The thing is entirely fear based and I refuse to believe that a loving God would use fear. No that's all man. Also as a sidenote, when you travel somewhere, there are always different ways to get to where you want. You are not limited to one way. Why should God be any different? Why can't all paths go back to the source? And no a book saying different doesn't count as proof of your side either. You're gonna need more than that. What are you talking about? There are no fear threats, no threats even. We do not worship, praise, and believe out of fear. We have a RELATIONSHIP with God our father. Uh ACCEPT MY RELIGION OR DIE IS A THREAT! You'd have to be biased to prove it not, to not see that. man has labeled 'religions', it is not in the bible that we must believe 'a religion'. IT is in the bible that we will all experience a MORTAL death, not a threat, a reality. IT is also explained that there is one through which we can live beyond our 'mortal' death into an 'immortal' eternity Right but just because a book says it that makes it automatically true? Please. There is a whole other world that exists beyond it, it's NOT the be all and end all for truth. No there are many truths outside the bible. You let go of something in mid air, it will definitely fall. Water freezes, the sun shows at day and hides at night and many more truths. |
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if a sphere such as the earth is not pertinent to the discussion of a path to god or whatever then perhaps an example such as how to navigate to nevada should never have been brought up by a christian. therein lies the problem with the faithful. it's nearly impossible to find two folks who adhere to the same religion, christianity or whatever, whe see their religion the same even to the point of what the actual scriptures mean. if you don't see the shape of the earth as relevant, don't bring up navigating to places on it. you'll not get descriptions of navigational techniques of some inane fashion as the most direct route to god by suggesting to a very accomplished world navigater such as myself that there's only one way to get to las vegas for crying out loud.
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if a sphere such as the earth is not pertinent to the discussion of a path to god or whatever then perhaps an example such as how to navigate to nevada should never have been brought up by a christian. therein lies the problem with the faithful. it's nearly impossible to find two folks who adhere to the same religion, christianity or whatever, whe see their religion the same even to the point of what the actual scriptures mean. if you don't see the shape of the earth as relevant, don't bring up navigating to places on it. you'll not get descriptions of navigational techniques of some inane fashion as the most direct route to god by suggesting to a very accomplished world navigater such as myself that there's only one way to get to las vegas for crying out loud. Yep there are many ways to get to Las Vegas and many ways to find God, the prime source of all things. |
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if a sphere such as the earth is not pertinent to the discussion of a path to god or whatever then perhaps an example such as how to navigate to nevada should never have been brought up by a christian. therein lies the problem with the faithful. it's nearly impossible to find two folks who adhere to the same religion, christianity or whatever, whe see their religion the same even to the point of what the actual scriptures mean. if you don't see the shape of the earth as relevant, don't bring up navigating to places on it. you'll not get descriptions of navigational techniques of some inane fashion as the most direct route to god by suggesting to a very accomplished world navigater such as myself that there's only one way to get to las vegas for crying out loud. Yep there are many ways to get to Las Vegas and many ways to find God, the prime source of all things. The path to God is straight and narrow. Matthew 7:14 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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Actually there are no strait lines, no strait paths.
In life, there are many paths and no one ever travels the same road. These "paths" are paths of experience. Each person's experience is different and unique. That is why I say that there are many paths to God, the prime source of all things. |
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People keep shoving quotes from the Bible in our faces like as if they should be accepted as the authority of God, but in truth the Bible has very little merit. In fact, the ancient religions of the Greeks have far more merit, it was those religions that became the fodder for the Hebrews to create their Yahweh.
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People keep shoving quotes from the Bible in our faces like as if they should be accepted as the authority of God, but in truth the Bible has very little merit. In fact, the ancient religions of the Greeks have far more merit, it was those religions that became the fodder for the Hebrews to create their Yahweh. First off, this is a religious discussion. We are currently speaking of the Christian beliefs, therefore the root of that belief will be used for verification of that belief. Secondly things only have as much merit as YOU give it. The world being round, no matter how much evidence is shown, this will have no merit to you till you allow it to and so forth with everything. And last but no least, what exactly do you mean the Greeks became the "fodder" for the Hebrews? |
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Actually there are no strait lines, no strait paths. In life, there are many paths and no one ever travels the same road. These "paths" are paths of experience. Each person's experience is different and unique. That is why I say that there are many paths to God, the prime source of all things. Roads one travels in life or paths one may take has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. How can there be multiple paths to God? Name me just 2 religions that could work together about the same God. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/02/11 12:14 PM
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Actually there are no strait lines, no strait paths. In life, there are many paths and no one ever travels the same road. These "paths" are paths of experience. Each person's experience is different and unique. That is why I say that there are many paths to God, the prime source of all things. Roads one travels in life or paths one may take has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. How can there be multiple paths to God? Name me just 2 religions that could work together about the same God. Since I am the one who is "talking about" it, I guess I know what I am "talking about." I don't consider or believe that the only path to God, the prime source, has to be "religion." People can find a personal relationship with the prime source without religion. There are many paths to God. God is with us, and within us. |
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Actually there are no strait lines, no strait paths. In life, there are many paths and no one ever travels the same road. These "paths" are paths of experience. Each person's experience is different and unique. That is why I say that there are many paths to God, the prime source of all things. Roads one travels in life or paths one may take has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. How can there be multiple paths to God? Name me just 2 religions that could work together about the same God. Since I am the one who is "talking about" it, I guess I know what I am "talking about." I don't consider or believe that the only path to God, the prime source, has to be "religion." People can find a personal relationship with the prime source without religion. There are many paths to God. God is with us, and within us. Religion is absolutely not important to know God. It is mankind that puts the titles on things and sets the belief in God separate from any other knowledge we possess. Only in secular terms is "religion" needed. |
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Actually there are no strait lines, no strait paths. In life, there are many paths and no one ever travels the same road. These "paths" are paths of experience. Each person's experience is different and unique. That is why I say that there are many paths to God, the prime source of all things. Roads one travels in life or paths one may take has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. How can there be multiple paths to God? Name me just 2 religions that could work together about the same God. Since I am the one who is "talking about" it, I guess I know what I am "talking about." I don't consider or believe that the only path to God, the prime source, has to be "religion." People can find a personal relationship with the prime source without religion. There are many paths to God. God is with us, and within us. And besides that, how can there be two paths? Name two paths that end up in the same place. Not two beliefs have the same ending place, nor do they have the same way of getting there. So again, please enlighten us with the possible multiple paths that work as one ending in the same destination. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/02/11 12:31 PM
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How can there be more than one path to New York?
There are many ways to New York. And besides that, how can there be two paths? I said there are many paths, not just two, or one. And of course it would depend on what you mean by the term "path." What is the path to success? Is there only one? I doubt it. Not two beliefs have the same ending place, nor do they have the same way of getting there. So again, please enlighten us with the possible multiple paths that work as one ending in the same destination. If there is only one God and if God is all that exists, then every path leads to God. And of course that would depend on how you define or understand the term "God" and how you would define his or Its or her actual location. How do you know where God is that you can find a path to that? |
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How can there be more than one path to New York? There are many ways to New York. And besides that, how can there be two paths? I said there are many paths, not just two, or one. And of course it would depend on what you mean by the term "path." What is the path to success? Is there only one? I doubt it. Not two beliefs have the same ending place, nor do they have the same way of getting there. So again, please enlighten us with the possible multiple paths that work as one ending in the same destination. If there is only one God and if God is all that exists, then every path leads to God. And of course that would depend on how you define or understand the term "God" and how you would define his or Its or her actual location. How do you know where God is that you can find a path to that? If there is only one God and if God is all that exists, then every path leads to God. How so? If God says do this to earn heaven, then another belief says do that, how can they end up in the same place? If this belief says there is ONE God, and that belief says there are many, how would the coexist? How would they be talking about the same being, the same place? I'll ask again, name even just two beliefs that would work coexisting. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/02/11 12:53 PM
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I will make this statement again:
If there is only one God and if God is all that exists, then every path leads to God. Do you believe in many Gods or one God? Here is my logic: "If there is only one God....." and IF people are on a path, any path, to that one God... then: Every path must lead to that one God. Now again: IF God is all that exists.. (pantheist view) then there is no place else to go except to God. If God exists within us.. (Many other views) Then we don't have to go anywhere, God is HERE NOW already. ************************************************************ How so? If God says do this to earn heaven, then another belief says do that, how can they end up in the same place? There is no evidence that God ever said any such thing. I am not talking about "beliefs." (or scripture or religious dogma) I am making a logical argument based on a premise that there is only one God, and God is all that exists. All paths must then lead to God. If this belief says there is ONE God, and that belief says there are many, how would the coexist? How would they be talking about the same being, the same place? There is no accounting for what people will believe Cowboy. I am not talking about beliefs coexisting. I'll ask again, name even just two beliefs that would work coexisting. We are talking about God on the premise that God, the prime source of all things, exists and with the premise that there are people trying to find a path to that. I am not talking about beliefs or how they might coexist. |
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I will make this statement again: If there is only one God and if God is all that exists, then every path leads to God. Do you believe in many Gods or one God? Here is my logic: "If there is only one God....." and IF people are on a path, any path, to that one God... then: Every path must lead to that one God. Now again: IF God is all that exists.. (pantheist view) then there is no place else to go except to God. If God exists within us.. (Many other views) Then we don't have to go anywhere, God is HERE NOW already. ************************************************************ How so? If God says do this to earn heaven, then another belief says do that, how can they end up in the same place? There is no evidence that God ever said any such thing. I am not talking about "beliefs." I am making a logical argument based on a premise that there is only one God, and God is all that exists. All paths must then lead to God. If this belief says there is ONE God, and that belief says there are many, how would the coexist? How would they be talking about the same being, the same place? There is no accounting for what people will believe Cowboy. I am not talking about beliefs coexisting. I'll ask again, name even just two beliefs that would work coexisting. We are talking about God on the premise that God, the prime source of all things, exists and with the premise that there are people trying to find a path to that. I am not talking about beliefs or how they might coexist. "If there is only one God....." and IF people are on a path, any path, to that one God Again, please share with us some knowledge of God in different beliefs that could be talking about the same God, thus ending in the same place eg., Heaven. One belief says God likes this, but that other belief says God hates that, ect ect. Please enlighten us with how ALL beliefs could take us to the same place. There is no evidence that God ever said any such thing. There is evidence of this, the scriptures included in the bible. You just wish not to give merit to this evidence, but nevertheless the evidence is there. There is no accounting for what people will believe Cowboy. I am not talking about beliefs coexisting. You are talking about beliefs coexisting. Anything to do with a God(s) is a belief. There is absolutely no complete without a doubt compact factual evidence of any God(s). That is why they are put in the "religion" category rather then "history, Science, or any other of similar bases". We are talking about God on the premise that God, the prime source of all things, exists and with the premise that there are people trying to find a path to that. I am not talking about beliefs or how they might coexist. Now you're just not making sense. First you say we are talking about God on the premise that God...... Then you say we're not talking about beliefs. ANYTHING to do with God is a BELIEF. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/02/11 01:13 PM
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For an argument to begin, it will have a premise.
My premise is that there is a "prime source of all things." I will call this prime source "God." Now, the premises is that this prime source of all things called "God." does exist. A premise is a statement that is assumed and accepted and agreed upon as true. 1. God, the prime source of all things exists. Do you agree with this statement? If so then we can continue. If not, then we cannot continue. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/02/11 01:12 PM
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Well Cowboy will we continue?
Do you believe that there is a Prime Creator (God)?? Yes or no. |
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Well Cowboy will we continue? Do you believe that there is a Prime Creator (God)?? Yes or no. Sorry for delayed response, went to take a shower. Yes there is one prime sources of all good things. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Well Cowboy will we continue? Do you believe that there is a Prime Creator (God)?? Yes or no. Sorry for delayed response, went to take a shower. Yes there is one prime sources of all good things. That is not what I asked. IS there one Prime Source of all things? Not simply all "good" things. ALL THINGS IN EXISTENCE. |
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