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Topic: Is Comet Elenin Affecting Earth?
mightymoe's photo
Thu 07/14/11 09:53 PM
Elenin is presently being tracked as it goes through the asteroid belt on its way into the inner solar system. We have an incoming mass (what might possibly be a neutron star) coming in and it will do a hard turn around the sun like any comet would, crossing and coming in between Mercury and Venus before starting its journey back out. On its way out it will cross our bow, meaning it will pass very close to the earth and the earth will pass behind it, plowing into its tail.

In the video below you will see this explained graphically. What you will see with mathematical precision is that every time this celestial body comes into alignment with the earth and sun we have a huge earthquake. The last three alignments produced the Japanese 9.0 quake, the one in New Zealand and before that the one in Chile. On March 11th Elenin was much farther out. When the next alignment happens it will be devastatingly close. The main point to understand is that if Elenin was just a normal comet it would not have the mass to generate a gravity pull that would affect the earth when the earth swings around into alignment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bv1rQxgMbA&feature=player_embedded

There is a history to Elenin that has been visible for years (since 1984) but now she is upon us and there is nothing we can do but prepare and pray—and love like we have never loved before. We have to acknowledge and accept that there is a danger and there is a possibility that part of our civilization and the people in it will be lost.
The whole solar system seems to be heating up, the sun is becoming active and earth-changing events are becoming more frequent and intense with beyond-worst-case-scenario climate changes hitting around the globe. We have increasing geo-activity, volcanoes, earthquakes, rogue tides, sinking islands, magnetic pole migration, mass animal deaths, huge unexplained whirlpools in the Atlantic and so much more it would make anyone’s head spin.

We were tipped off to something unusual happening when Greenland experienced sunrise two days early, which was a strong sign that something was off with Earth’s orbit.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/231434-Elenin-Nibiru-Planet-X-Time-for-a-Sanity-Check

AndyBgood's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:51 PM
Think the Heaven's gate folks who missed the first comet will miss this one???

mightymoe's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:53 PM

Think the Heaven's gate folks who missed the first comet will miss this one???


lol, i have some talking of it being a UFO...:laughing: whoa :laughing:

GreenIz88's photo
Fri 07/15/11 12:31 AM
The Mayans predicted this...it's in the calendar LOL

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 07/15/11 10:24 AM
OK, correct me if I am wrong here. A brown dwarf is a collapsed star. That means a small body has the mass of several Jupiter sized planets and therefore the gravidic pull of an object of something the size of the sun. With that in mind if this object were a Brown Dwarf its passage would be tossing planets out of orbit like a salad with its passage. I could agree with it being a super dense object with some real gravity to it by gratis of mass BUT unless we get a probe to it to confirm what it is I would assume it is a astral body like a comet or asteroid!

If brown Dwarf passed through our solar system we would be screwed! You could not have an object with that gravitational power get that close to the sun without the tidal forces between the two causing solar disruptions of a scale we never witnessed up close before. Likewise we would be tossed out of orbit and possibly into the sun by its passage!

Brown Dwarfs are stars that died and didn't quite have the mass to collapse into itself as a black hole. They still have a LOT of mass for their size and a gravidic pull greater than any planetoid. Hell, Jupiter doesn't even have that much gravity!

mightymoe's photo
Fri 07/15/11 11:55 AM

OK, correct me if I am wrong here. A brown dwarf is a collapsed star. That means a small body has the mass of several Jupiter sized planets and therefore the gravidic pull of an object of something the size of the sun. With that in mind if this object were a Brown Dwarf its passage would be tossing planets out of orbit like a salad with its passage. I could agree with it being a super dense object with some real gravity to it by gratis of mass BUT unless we get a probe to it to confirm what it is I would assume it is a astral body like a comet or asteroid!

If brown Dwarf passed through our solar system we would be screwed! You could not have an object with that gravitational power get that close to the sun without the tidal forces between the two causing solar disruptions of a scale we never witnessed up close before. Likewise we would be tossed out of orbit and possibly into the sun by its passage!

Brown Dwarfs are stars that died and didn't quite have the mass to collapse into itself as a black hole. They still have a LOT of mass for their size and a gravidic pull greater than any planetoid. Hell, Jupiter doesn't even have that much gravity!




jupiter is just a hair smaller than a brown dwarf, and while i agree with you about throwing planets out of their orbits, the path it is taking hasn't really brought it close to any planets yet.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010+X1&orb=1

when they first saw it in dec 10, they first said it was 84,000 Km, then they come back and say it was the dust cloud around the comet that was 84,000 km and the actual size was 3-4 km...

it also has about 3 or more "moons" that are in orbit around it..
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/03/11/new-approach-of-a-comet-with-an-asteroid-elenin/.

metalwing's photo
Fri 07/15/11 12:48 PM
From NASA

Comet Elenin - Preview of a Coming Attraction
05.04.11

Diagram showing the trajectory of comet Elenin Trajectory of comet Elenin. Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
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You may have heard the news: Comet Elenin is coming to the inner-solar system this fall. Comet Elenin (also known by its astronomical name C/2010 X1), was first detected on Dec. 10, 2010 by Leonid Elenin, an observer in Lyubertsy, Russia, who made the discovery "remotely" using the ISON-NM observatory near Mayhill, New Mexico. At the time of the discovery, the comet was about 647 million kilometers (401 million miles) from Earth. Over the past four-and-a-half months, the comet has – as comets do – closed the distance to Earth's vicinity as it makes its way closer to perihelion (its closest point to the sun). As of May 4, Elenin's distance is about 274 million kilometers (170 million miles).

"That is what happens with these long-period comets that come in from way outside our planetary system," said Don Yeomans of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "They make these long, majestic, speedy arcs through our solar system, and sometimes they put on a great show. But not Elenin. Right now that comet looks kind of wimpy."

How does a NASA scientist define cometary wimpiness?

"We're talking about how a comet looks as it safely flies past us," said Yeomans. "Some cometary visitors arriving from beyond the planetary region – like Hale-Bopp in 1997 -- have really lit up the night sky where you can see them easily with the naked eye as they safely transit the inner-solar system. But Elenin is trending toward the other end of the spectrum. You'll probably need a good pair of binoculars, clear skies, and a dark, secluded location to see it even on its brightest night."

Comet Elenin should be at its brightest shortly before the time of its closest approach to Earth on Oct. 16 of this year. At its closest point, it will be 35 million kilometers (22 million miles) from us. Can this icy interloper influence us from where it is, or where it will be in the future? What about this celestial object inspiring some shifting of the tides or even tectonic plates here on Earth? There have been some incorrect Internet speculations that external forces could cause comet Elenin to come closer.

"Comet Elenin will not encounter any dark bodies that could perturb its orbit, nor will it influence us in any way here on Earth," said Yeomans. "It will get no closer to Earth than 35 million kilometers [about 22 million miles]. "

"Comet Elenin will not only be far away, it is also on the small side for comets," said Yeomans. "And comets are not the most densely-packed objects out there. They usually have the density of something akin to loosely packed icy dirt.

"So you've got a modest-sized icy dirtball that is getting no closer than 35 million kilometers," said Yeomans. "It will have an immeasurably miniscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will."

Yeomans did have one final thought on comet Elenin.

"This comet may not put on a great show. Just as certainly, it will not cause any disruptions here on Earth. But there is a cause to marvel," said Yeomans. "This intrepid little traveler will offer astronomers a chance to study a relatively young comet that came here from well beyond our solar system's planetary region. After a short while, it will be headed back out again, and we will not see or hear from Elenin for thousands of years. That's pretty cool."

NASA detects, tracks and characterizes asteroids and comets passing relatively close to Earth using both ground- and space-based telescopes. The Near-Earth Object Observations Program, commonly called "Spaceguard," discovers these objects, characterizes a subset of them, and predicts their paths to determine if any could be potentially hazardous to our planet.

JPL manages the Near-Earth Object Program Office for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington, DC. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.

More information about asteroids and near-Earth objects is at: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch , and on Twitter: @asteroidwatch .

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Fri 07/15/11 12:53 PM


mightymoe's photo
Fri 07/15/11 01:15 PM
while NASA is the leading space authority on these matters, i'm not sure i believe there reports on this one... where are the space telescope pictures? every other comet has had plenty of exposure by now, and there none for elenin...a comet that is going to be that close to earth seems like it would get more photo time...

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 07/15/11 02:16 PM
By the representation of what you are showing I would believe it to be more of a super-massive gas giant that didn't have quite enough mass to ignite. Still, a body that large would still toss us out of orbit coming that close to us. I seen the presentation and I could see this kicking us out of orbit if the body is as large as represented. Jupiter has SUBSTANTIAL gravidic influence. The reason the sun does not fluff up to as large as it can get it gravitational dynamics working against heat and pressure. As a red giant our sun would engulf Mars. But it still would exert the exact same gravity. I was under the impression was a brown dwarf was a dead star, not a super massive gas giant. I thought the name for those was different. Gas giants are not like Marshmallows. They actually are more like slushy water balloons. They are very heavy objects. I heard it said if we slammed Saturn into Jupiter we could have a second sun in our solar system. I would hate to think what we would get if this was a brown Dwarf as I understand them hitting Jupiter! I think we would get wiped out from the shock wave of the resulting explosion!

metalwing's photo
Fri 07/15/11 02:44 PM

while NASA is the leading space authority on these matters, i'm not sure i believe there reports on this one... where are the space telescope pictures? every other comet has had plenty of exposure by now, and there none for elenin...a comet that is going to be that close to earth seems like it would get more photo time...


You can see their telescope pictures on their website. The comet is too small and too far away (at it's closest point) to be of any special interest. It is not a dwarf star, brown dwarf, or anything similar. It is just a small icy dirtball like most other comets.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 07/15/11 02:59 PM
i don't really think it is a brown dwarf, i think there is something to this "comet" that nasa is not telling us. i don't know what that is, but this is something that i will be watching as it gets closer. I find the whole situation a bit odd, especially since they knew about this since 1984, when it was out of our solar system. then they say that it was discovered in 2010. i'm looking for the article about it from 1984, when i find it, i will post it, along with some math that goes with it.

metalwing's photo
Fri 07/15/11 03:10 PM
From NASA

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So what the deal with comet elenin, there does not seem to be too much credible information. Everyone seems to be freaking out about it, but no one even knows how big it is. Does this comet pose a threat and what is its size and nature? AND I have read about comet Elenin and how some nasa people want to keep it a secret. what are the chances of it coming to earth and what threat does it bring with it, and has this comet got anything to do with 2012 hoax? AND Elinin is only .117 au from earth on mar 11,2011. From march 8 to mar 15, 2011, what are the chances that Elinin either impacts us, or gets close enough to cause a major catastrophy. Please be honest.


I have been receiving many questions about Comet Elenin. Many of them refer to the outrageous lies on some conspiracy theory websites, which are amplified by people who seem to think this comet is highly unusual. It is not unusual, and it is not a threat to Earth. See the Wikipedia article on this comet [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2010_X1] for more information. C2010 X1 Elenin (to give its full name) is a long-period comet, which takes about 10,000 years to complete one orbit around the Sun. It was discovered with a robotic telescope in New Mexico on 10 December 2010 by Russian amateur astronomer Leonid Elenin. When comets or asteroids are first discovered, their orbits are quite uncertain; usually it takes several months of observations to firmly establish the orbit. Elenin's perihelion (closest to the Sun) is in early September 2011 at a distance from the Sun of 40-45 million miles. It will be closest to Earth on about 16 October, at a distance of about 21 million miles, which is nearly a hundred times farther than the Moon. The comet never comes close to the Earth, but it is expected to be visible in binoculars during August and October. Part of the Internet chatter concerns its size. Comets are exceedingly small and enveloped in a tenuous cloud of gas and dust, so the only way to be sure of their actual dimensions is to visit with a spacecraft. Half a dozen comets have been the target of spacecraft missions, and all of them (even Comet Halley) are less than 10 km in diameter. There is no reason to think Elenin is any different. This means its mass is less than one billionth the mass of the Earth. Needless to say, we will not be aware of the tiny gravitational pull from Elenin. In spite of these simple facts, some websites (such as godlikeproductions) are making wild claims that Elenin will hit the Earth, or disturb our orbit, or cause tides, or interact with our magnetic field. Such claims are pure fiction. One of the worst examples is a video that someone posted on the NASAbuzzroom website that claims that the magnetic field of the comet will cause a large shift in the rotation axis of the Earth and produce mega-earthquakes on March 15, 2011. It is hard to imagine anyone would take this seriously. Comets don't have magnetic fields, and magnetic fields can't change the rotation axis or cause earthquakes no matter how large they are. Adding to the craziness is a claim that this same comet caused the Earth's axis to shift by 3 degrees in February 2010 and caused the Chile Earthquake. These are simply lies; the comet was far away a year ago, and there was no change whatever in Earth's rotation axis. The Chile earthquake was a normal slippage in an active fault that has produced many previous earthquakes, including the one witnessed by Charles Darwin in 1835. Please remember that just because someone says he or she is from NASA doesn't make it true. Many people who post YouTube videos lie about their affiliation. Incidentally, only NASA is allowed to use the NASA logo, the blue circle with the word NASA and a satellite orbiting around it.

David Morrison
Astrobiology Senior Scientist
March 1, 2011

mightymoe's photo
Fri 07/15/11 03:47 PM

From NASA

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So what the deal with comet elenin, there does not seem to be too much credible information. Everyone seems to be freaking out about it, but no one even knows how big it is. Does this comet pose a threat and what is its size and nature? AND I have read about comet Elenin and how some nasa people want to keep it a secret. what are the chances of it coming to earth and what threat does it bring with it, and has this comet got anything to do with 2012 hoax? AND Elinin is only .117 au from earth on mar 11,2011. From march 8 to mar 15, 2011, what are the chances that Elinin either impacts us, or gets close enough to cause a major catastrophy. Please be honest.


I have been receiving many questions about Comet Elenin. Many of them refer to the outrageous lies on some conspiracy theory websites, which are amplified by people who seem to think this comet is highly unusual. It is not unusual, and it is not a threat to Earth. See the Wikipedia article on this comet [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2010_X1] for more information. C2010 X1 Elenin (to give its full name) is a long-period comet, which takes about 10,000 years to complete one orbit around the Sun. It was discovered with a robotic telescope in New Mexico on 10 December 2010 by Russian amateur astronomer Leonid Elenin. When comets or asteroids are first discovered, their orbits are quite uncertain; usually it takes several months of observations to firmly establish the orbit. Elenin's perihelion (closest to the Sun) is in early September 2011 at a distance from the Sun of 40-45 million miles. It will be closest to Earth on about 16 October, at a distance of about 21 million miles, which is nearly a hundred times farther than the Moon. The comet never comes close to the Earth, but it is expected to be visible in binoculars during August and October. Part of the Internet chatter concerns its size. Comets are exceedingly small and enveloped in a tenuous cloud of gas and dust, so the only way to be sure of their actual dimensions is to visit with a spacecraft. Half a dozen comets have been the target of spacecraft missions, and all of them (even Comet Halley) are less than 10 km in diameter. There is no reason to think Elenin is any different. This means its mass is less than one billionth the mass of the Earth. Needless to say, we will not be aware of the tiny gravitational pull from Elenin. In spite of these simple facts, some websites (such as godlikeproductions) are making wild claims that Elenin will hit the Earth, or disturb our orbit, or cause tides, or interact with our magnetic field. Such claims are pure fiction. One of the worst examples is a video that someone posted on the NASAbuzzroom website that claims that the magnetic field of the comet will cause a large shift in the rotation axis of the Earth and produce mega-earthquakes on March 15, 2011. It is hard to imagine anyone would take this seriously. Comets don't have magnetic fields, and magnetic fields can't change the rotation axis or cause earthquakes no matter how large they are. Adding to the craziness is a claim that this same comet caused the Earth's axis to shift by 3 degrees in February 2010 and caused the Chile Earthquake. These are simply lies; the comet was far away a year ago, and there was no change whatever in Earth's rotation axis. The Chile earthquake was a normal slippage in an active fault that has produced many previous earthquakes, including the one witnessed by Charles Darwin in 1835. Please remember that just because someone says he or she is from NASA doesn't make it true. Many people who post YouTube videos lie about their affiliation. Incidentally, only NASA is allowed to use the NASA logo, the blue circle with the word NASA and a satellite orbiting around it.

David Morrison
Astrobiology Senior Scientist
March 1, 2011


march 11, 2011 mean anything? (9.1 in japan)...

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 07/15/11 07:10 PM
If a brown dwarf were really heading this way we would be so screwed!

mightymoe's photo
Fri 07/15/11 07:16 PM

If a brown dwarf were really heading this way we would be so screwed!


lol... screwed would some it up...

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 07/15/11 07:18 PM
Do any of you remember the TV show Space 1999? The one where the moon is blasted out of orbit by a meltdown of radioactive waste that was stored on the moon? If that happened things would go CRAZY on this planet. If we got kicked out of orbit? It was nice knowing you all!

mightymoe's photo
Fri 07/15/11 07:47 PM

Do any of you remember the TV show Space 1999? The one where the moon is blasted out of orbit by a meltdown of radioactive waste that was stored on the moon? If that happened things would go CRAZY on this planet. If we got kicked out of orbit? It was nice knowing you all!
even the cockroaches would die then...

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Sat 07/16/11 11:24 AM
The massive earthquake that struck northeast Japan Friday (March 11) has shortened the length Earth's day by a fraction and shifted how the planet's mass is distributed.

A new analysis of the 8.9-magnitude earthquake in Japan has found that the intense temblor has accelerated Earth's spin, shortening the length of the 24-hour day by 1.8 microseconds, according to geophysicist Richard Gross at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

Gross refined his estimates of the Japan quake's impact – which previously suggested a 1.6-microsecond shortening of the day – based on new data on how much the fault that triggered the earthquake slipped to redistribute the planet's mass. A microsecond is a millionth of a second.

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Sat 07/16/11 04:13 PM


Can we really trust academia?
(I don't.)



A scientific revolution in the theories of the nature of comets, solar system formation and astronomical phenomena in general is long overdue. For example, the impossibilities and contradictions inherent in the "dirty snowball comet model" and the "nebular collapse" theory of the origin of the solar system are legion. The theories fall short of explaining observed phenomena, but you'll never hear the scientists promoting them admit as much. Unfortunately, it seems that in all their mental excavations, the mass-produced scientists of our time have dug themselves into a trench of dreary proportions, carried along by the inertial stream of their cherished professors' naïve opinions. In fact, they can't even tell how deep they are in it, or that their theories are as woefully outdated as the mastodon fossils of which they catch passing glimpses. And thanks to James McCanney's work over the last thirty-odd years, they find themselves plunged, in the words of Mullah Nasr Eddin, "into the deepest galoshes that have ever been worn on sweaty feet."

James McCanney is something of a maverick in the scientific community. Having taught physics and mathematics at Cornell University, he was ousted because of pressure put on University authorities by professors in the astronomy department who didn't like what he was publishing. In that sense, academia is a tad like life in the Mob: "You can't say these things. If you do, we'll ruin you." But while McCanney may have suffered the fate of any scientist who attempts to go against the grain, his theories continue to hold up, predicting newly observed phenomena without having to resort to the "creeping crud" of widely accepted, bogus theories (McCanney's term for the shameless "revision" of old theories to account for unexpected observations).

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