Why should I believe you saying the temperatures were incorrect? Got anything to back that up?

Their temperatures! Can you read a thermometer?

I can't get over how some supposedly "scientific" educated people get so emotional and/or insulting when their theories or so-called scientific knowledge is challenged in the slightest.

Its as if I were challenging their religion or something.

You didn't answer the question. You posted some information to "prove" a comet isn't a dirty snowball but apparently didn't understand what you were posting.

Can you read a thermometer?

The statement that comets are basically just "dirty snowballs" does not ring true for me.

I posted nothing to prove anything. I posted that for you, not to prove anything.

The temperatures were stated on another site. You are asking me to take your word that they are 'wrong' and I don't see any reason to take your word over anyone else.

All you do is respond with a question.

If you could read a thermometer, you would know why they are wrong. You would also know what they are talking about.

Metal your response does not make any sense to me at all.

(I've seen this sort of thing time and time again on many forums.)

But I'm going to be very direct, just this one last time, so please try not to take offense by my honesty.

You claim to be an educated engineer who knows all about buildings and you claim to be a physicist or scientist and now someone who knows all about comets.

It is not your job, of course, to educate anyone; and you certainly need not waste your time doing so, but what is the point in participating in these conversations at all if all you seem to want to accomplish is to make yourself look smart and present yourself as an anonymous authority on everything?

You seem to believe you are always right, I get that. Science seems to be your religion. At least you defend it with the emotion of a religious zealot. If anyone challenges or questions academia or your opinions you are quick to point out how ignorant they are.

A thread is supposed to be about a topic.

I know absolutely nothing about you, who you are, or your qualifications. I don't even know your name, where you work, where you were educated, what books you may have written or even read etc.

Yet you expound about your vast knowledge of everything and you expect people to just take your word for it; and for all I know you are just a pretender.

I've met a lot of pretenders on the internet anonymous and otherwise. You are anonymous here, as are most people. I don't know who you are or what you know, therefore you have no qualifications at all as an authority on anything.

If you are anonymous you can't expect people to respect your personal authority . Your vast knowledge must naturally be reflected in your posts. They should be informative and easy to understand. I haven't seen too many that were. Often they are condescending and vague, sometimes even insulting.

As far as comets are concerned, it is my personal feeling that there is more to them than just being "dirty snowballs." I think one day scientists, (real scientists) will discover things about them that will astound them.

That is my feeling.

Well, you certainly are opinionated. History teaches us many things. In my case, it teaches me who is knowledgeable and who is not, given enough posts. There is a REALLY big difference between you and me. I have consistently, over thousands of posts, proven that I know what I am talking about. You, conversely, have proven that you know nothing science related and are unable to grasp the concepts of most scientific concepts. You state openly, again and again, that you don't believe what any science person knows, me included. You laugh at the universal laws of physics, reports by the best engineering and scientific minds in existence. You obviously have some kind of inferiority complex about science due to your inability to understand it so you attack it at every opportunity.

You make the rudest possible comments about other people's knowledge while you have none.You ask the same questions over and over yet never "get" the answers when offered. Even the simple facts of a comet being a dirty snowball, verified by spacecraft, aren't good enough for you. In every case, you don't believe the knowledge of trained professionals.

However, you are quick to believe any conspiracy story about almost anything. No matter how dumb, how unsubstantiated, how illogical, or disproven by facts. You are quick to insult anyone who dares correct or enlighten you.

You don't know who I am. However, others at mingle do and my scientific and engineering credentials are high, by any standard.

In order to get respect, you have to give some. You constantly post how little respect you have for me and others like me. You constantly ask questions and ignore the answers while (like your post here) complain about others not answering your questions.

If you could read a thermometer, you would know that the temperatures listed in the article above are nonsense. The person who wrote the article (probably some science writer) didn't really understand the chemistry involved in the formation of the minerals, although it was generally explained. You don't either. The temps of the water, the physics of how the water was heated, and the history of how the minerals could have ended up on the surface of a comet are all about the article's point.

People who attack everyone and try to create emotional responses on the net forum groups like this one are called internet trolls. You fit the description in every way. You should look up the rules for polite discussion and debate and try to adhere to them. You should stop posting falsehoods as facts. You are welcome to your opinion but we really shouldn't be subjected to the level of pure crap you pour out.

If you can find any incorrect statements I have made about anything I have posted, point them out to me. I occasionally make mistakes because I am getting old. But the reality is that I am the most knowledgeable person you probably will ever have access to in structures, material science, physics, astrophysics, and a few odd other areas like global warming. I have a lot of experience in them all... and my friends here at mingle know it.

Moe, Action, and others bring up interesting topics and have fun discussions. They don't attack science in the process. You should try it.

Metal, I pointed out your comments concerning a "peer review" and your own critical evaluation of the "official report" about the collapse of the world Trade center buildings which you yourself read and called "flawed" and you simply ignored that and ignored my questions after repeated postings on it.

Just because you have a high regard for yourself and your educated opinion does not mean you have the right to call anyone else a troll or imply that I fit the description of a "troll."

I don't know who you are and I don't know what your credentials are. I also don't know the anonymous people on mingle whom you claim know you and know your credentials either. Therefore all I can do is read what you post and how you respond to my posts.

You also use rolling heads and ridicule of others, which I don't respect in most cases. So it is your own lack of respect for others that I do not respect. I know the difference between polite conversation and ridicule.

case in point: I don't call this "polite."



The above statement assumes and implies that I post "falsehoods." I don't. And if you don't wish to be "subjected" to my ideas or opinions or any information I happen to post, then you don't have to read my threads or posts.

I also do not call rolling heads a polite response to a serious statement. A joke maybe, but if it follows a statement, then it is simply ridicule.

IE ( )

These forums are for everyone.

So, is there a quick way to view Elenin? (maybe so)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0VTktZBi9A

The video was kinda flaky so I am not so sure that is really a comet. I have never seen one that looked anything like that.

A comment below the video said:QUOTE

If he is right, here is a link to information about that star:

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/CWLeo.html

This is a very interesting & informative thread never the less.......

The study of comets today is rich with surprises. For example, comet Hyakutake, which was easily visible to the naked eye in March, 1996, was first discovered by a Japanese amateur astronomer using binoculars. Astronomers were surprised to learn "Hyakutake contains abundant ethane and methane, compounds never before confirmed in comets" (7-9). On March 27, 1997, NASA announced that a year-long study using Hubble and several Earth-based telescopes shows that the trace ices in the nucleus of comet Hale-Bopp are somehow segregated from water-ice (10). And on April 21, 1997, astronomers on the Canary Islands reported that Hale-Bopp has a third tail of a kind never seen before; it is composed of sodium gas (11). Following so many new findings, comet theorists are completely rethinking how comets are formed and what they contain. Perhaps in the process they should consider biological causes for some of the unexpected phenomena. For example, on Earth, ethane comes from methane, and methane is made from carbon dioxide by bacteria. This process could happen on comets as well.


http://www.panspermia.org/comets.htm

We are all going to die anyway: relax and enjoy the ride.

Yes, we are all going to die. But it will not be from that wimpy little comet!

What I am trying to figure out is how a LONG PERIOD comet could have caused all that... It would have been outside the orbit of Jupiter in 2010...

More than likely if it is a space body causing such earth movements it is closer to earth orbit...

and we have ignored it for years cause the weather people simply included its 'signature' in their data base as a 'yearly weather pattern'.

It matters not!