"Truth" is not subjective. Just merely if one wishes to believe in the truth or not is what is subjective.

32 Degrees is freezing cold, it water freezes at sea level and this is the "truth" . Weather one wishes to agree with this or not is their prerogative.

Yeah if they disagree, could go off saying it's not the truth "For them". But nevertheless, it is the truth.

"Opinions" are not true in the exact meaning, that's to much of a perspective. Truth is true for everyone, or it's not the true. How things become Scientific fact is it first becomes a "theory". Then is put under repeated tests to see if the results remain the same. If they do, then it is a "fact". If not it is discarded.

Evidence of a failing American education.

Care to elaborate on how that is evidence of a failing American education?

It is TRUE that you have best grasping power!!

This is my TRUE opinion,it will remain useless & meaningless untill I make it subjective

STRANGE...!!How come UNSUPPORTED??

That claim is TRUE but it will remain meaningless & useless untill I make it subjective.

Do u still think it is UNSUPPORTED?

TRUTH is TRUTH & remains TRUTH forever.
TRUTH becomes meaningfull & usefull when it is subjective.
Infact we have to make it subjective for various applications.

If existence of life on other planet is a TRUTH,

it will remain an OBJECTIVE TRUTH forever (useless & meaningless for us ) untill we make it SUBJECTIVE though our efforts.

I expect this time you are getting me

A claim cannot be both true and meaningless.



Explain.



If that is meant to serve as an explanation, I'm getting that your use of English is muddling up belief, true statements, and fact and calling them all "TRUTH".

That people confuse their belief with truth, that people confuse fact and belief, that people confuse fact and reality(which is almost correct).

It all boils down to people not knowing what makes a claim true.

Of course it can because it is us who apply and attribute meaning to things.

Why cant?

Meaningless & True are two distinct states of instances or objects. Both have different attributes.So yes....A true claim can be meaningless too.


If I tell u a TURTH in some other language that u dont know will that be meaningfull for you?

Creative you keep saying that truth is "connective" and you keep forgetting to connect it to the observer, the one who thinks, feels and connects things. You work very hard at removing yourself from the equation.

It is about me. I am in the center of the universe.

So are you. You are the thinker of thoughts, the observer. You attribute meaning to things.

Join the living.

Belief & truth ??...I cant relate.Both are clear & distinct terms.I dont have any confusion between those.

True statement is necessarilly a statementof TRUTH.Even after considering the various affecting factors like human beings perception,understanding etc. etc.I will say if a so called TRUE STATEMENT is not stating the TRUTH then it is not a TRUE STATEMENT.

FACT & TRUTH : FACT is OBJECTIVE TRUTH.

Yeah...for example

"MANAV MARTYA AAHE"

Is an universally accepted truth,but is it meaningfull for you unless someone translate &/or elaborates in a language & wording that u understand?

I was thinking this very thing.

Our school systems still teach the classical picture of the world during the high school level. So everyone is thinking that things can be absolute. Things such as time and truth, etc.

But we now know that this ideology no longer holds true.

We have learned that the universe itself is relative and therefore subjective. Time does not even flow in the same way for different observers. The "Twin Brothers Paradox" is a perfect example of this.

We are still calling it a "Paradox" when in truth it is no longer a paradox. Once we accept that reality is indeed subjective to the observer we can understand how both bother's "realities" are indeed simultaneously true.

For the "older" twin brother many years have actually has passed. For the "younger" twin brother only a few years have passed.

So here's a perfect example where there are "TWO TRUTHS", both of which are perfectly true for each subjective observer. Yet, these two truths appear to be in conflict in an absolute sense.

The answer to the paradox is quite simply that "truth" is indeed subjective. It's based entirely on the observer's frame of reference.

So our educational systems have indeed failed us because they are still producing graduates who have not yet fully understood that the classical picture of absolutism can no longer be supported.

We live in a relativistic universe, and that includes "truth". Truth itself is indeed relative to the observer. There are no classical absolutes as we had previously thought. It just appears that way in very limited situations, (like looking at the classical experience of humans on a planet like the Earth). But that picture does not reflect the nature of the universe herself.

hmmmm. perhaps it's central to all thought in a given individual but one person's truth may be another's falsehood. so what does that say about belief and knowledge? i can know nothing absolutely other than that which i experience, so i cannot believe anything. so truth is not central to ALL thought so much that it's central to the thoughts of only one individual. and of course to some of us truth does not exist, it's merely one more belief in what we each believe is true taken on faith.

wow, dead wrong big time. why does saltwater not freeze at sub zero temperatures in the arctic? answer; the freezing temperature of saltwater is minus six degrees. and only the h20 in the mix freezes. the salt does not. your truth is not the truth is it? care to give the boiling point of water a shot now? i won't even use the salt trick this time. actually had other tricks for freezing water too but didn't want to sound like cliff claven of cheers mailman fame.

So? How does that make it possible for a claim to be both, true and meaningless? Cite an example please.

Nonsense. Neither term has attributes, because both are.

1. This confuses that which makes a claim true with the attribution of the word "true" to a claim. Attributing the word "true" to a claim does not make it a true claim.

2. Meaningless is a word attributed to language constructs that have no meaning. If it has meaning it cannot be meaningless. True is a term which is attributed to a variety of different things. We can attribute the terms "meaningless" and "true" to the same claim, but that attribution does not make the claim either.

A claim is true IFF it corresponds to fact/reality.



No, it would not be meaningful for me. However, this does nothing to support the claim, because it does not follow that the true statement is meaningless, just because I don't speak the language. Somebody does or it could not be true.

Meaningless statements cannot be true.

Why do you keep calling a true statement "a truth"?

What one person believes to be true, and/or calls a "truth", may not be believed to be true, and called a "falsehood" by another. This says nothing at all of truth. It does not follow from the fact that people hold differing and conflicting beliefs, that truth is subjective.



It says "I believe X" means I belive X is true.



Well, you obviously believe that. What would make the belief true?



Faith is belief without good reason/evidence. All belief is not taken upon faith and faith alone.