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Topic: Is Truth Subjective?
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Sun 07/24/11 01:51 PM

Visual aids are opinion?


They look like the object they represent.
That's an opinion.


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Sun 07/24/11 02:15 PM
But the object itself, is not an opinion.

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Sun 07/24/11 02:39 PM

But the object itself, is not an opinion.



How do you know that?


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Sun 07/24/11 02:41 PM
Are you really asking me how I know that objects, the computer I'm typing on, are not opinions?

What a banal question.


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Sun 07/24/11 02:43 PM

Are you really asking me how I know that objects, the computer I'm typing on, are not opinions?

What a banal question.




Like some of the questions you ask.

How do you know this reality it not a dream?

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Sun 07/24/11 02:45 PM
How do you know this reality is not a holographic projection made of digital programs and vibrations?

Can you prove it is not with scientific evidence?


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Sun 07/24/11 02:53 PM
Ever heard of Digital philosophy?

from wiki:

Digital philosophy is a modern re-interpretation of Gottfried Leibniz's monist metaphysics, one that replaces Leibniz's monads with aspects of the theory of cellular automata. Digital philosophy purports to solve certain hard problems in the philosophy of mind and the philosophy of physics, since, following Leibniz, the mind can be given a computational treatment. The digital approach also dispenses with the non-deterministic essentialism of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory.

In a digital universe, existence and thought would consist of only computation. (However, not all computation would be thought.) Thus computation is the single substance of a monist metaphysics, while subjectivity arises from computational universality. There are many variants of digital philosophy, but most of them are digital theories that view all of physical reality and mental activity as digitized information processing.

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Sun 07/24/11 02:58 PM
I also cannot prove that The Flying Spaghetti Monster is not the creator of the universe...

So what?

I suppose you missed the point of imagining things that cannot be proven and then positing them as the case.

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Sun 07/24/11 03:04 PM
If you want to base your belief-system upon things that can only be shown to exist in the imagination... have at it.

My cup is still on the table, although I'm out of Kona coffee so it has Folgers instead, well actually half Folgers and half a nice columbian grown arabica... freshly ground.

laugh

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Sun 07/24/11 03:05 PM
It is actually very likely that this reality is nothing more than light and sound vibrations and that we, as observers interpret it as "reality" within our own narrow point of view. That is, our point of view may not be actuality. It may simply be our opinion.

How do you know that the objects you see and touch are not just your own digitized information processing of energy and vibrations?

That is why I asked you...

How do you KNOW?






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Sun 07/24/11 03:06 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 07/24/11 03:06 PM

If you want to base your belief-system upon things that can only be shown to exist in the imagination... have at it.

My cup is still on the table, although I'm out of Kona coffee so it has Folgers instead, well actually half Folgers and half a nice columbian grown arabica... freshly ground.

laugh


That your cup is still on the table is your belief.


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Sun 07/24/11 03:15 PM
You've rendered your own thoughts incapable of telling the difference between what is true and what is not.

I'll stick to what I can know, and dispense with the radical skepticism that leads to mental insanity.

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Sun 07/24/11 03:22 PM

You've rendered your own thoughts incapable of telling the difference between what is true and what is not.

I'll stick to what I can know, and dispense with the radical skepticism that leads to mental insanity.


Of course, if that makes you feel more secure. I understand. flowerforyou

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Sun 07/24/11 03:45 PM
Yeah, that's it.

laugh

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Sun 07/24/11 04:12 PM
That your cup is still on the table is your belief.


You can lead a horse to water...

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Sun 07/24/11 04:16 PM
Let me point something out here Jb.

You claim that nothing can be known beyond the fact that we exist. You claim that everything is opinion. You make outrageous claims that cannot be proven, some of which are logically possible, but most of which are absurd. You constantly contradict yourself. You attempt to belittle religious believers. Yet the ground that your entire belief system rests it's laurels upon is no more solid that theirs...

What gives?

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Sun 07/24/11 04:17 PM
Less solid, in fact.

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Sun 07/24/11 04:33 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 07/24/11 04:36 PM

Let me point something out here Jb.

1. You claim that nothing can be known beyond the fact that we exist.

2. You claim that everything is opinion.

3. You make outrageous claims that cannot be proven, some of which are logically possible, but most of which are absurd.

4. You constantly contradict yourself.

5. You attempt to belittle religious believers.

6. Yet the ground that your entire belief system rests it's laurels upon is no more solid that theirs...

What gives?


1. I make no claims about what can be known by anyone for certain except for myself.

2. That everything is an opinion, is my opinion.

3. You will have to be more specific about that complaint. That anything is "absurd" is an opinion.

4. You will have to be more specific about that claim.

5. You will have to be more specific about that claim.

6. I doubt if you know anything about the ground that my entire belief system rests its laurels upon or how solid it is.

Note: Given the right information my entire belief system can change, as I have not written anything in stone.

Except that I am certain that I exist.

flowerforyou



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Sun 07/24/11 04:39 PM
Bah.

Avoidance.

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Sun 07/24/11 04:39 PM
I also doubt if you have much of a clue what my "entire belief system" is like at all so it baffles me how you can make any judgement about it.




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