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Bah. Avoidance. Avoidance? I answered each one of your complaints. |
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It is a matter of absolute certainty that everyone's belief-system rests it's laurels upon truth/reality and thought/belief.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/24/11 04:47 PM
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It is a matter of absolute certainty that everyone's belief-system rests it's laurels upon truth/reality and thought/belief. Whatever. I can only speak for myself. I don't speak for "everyone" as you always seem to want to do. You know what you are certain of, and I know what I am certain of. Its as if you seem to want to write the book on it. blah. You don't write my book. |
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Do you think that there is some reason or another that we cannot, as individuals, draw true conclusions which are universally true... as in true of everyone regardless of the individual specifics?
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Whatever. I can only speak for myself. I don't speak for "everyone" as you always seem to want to do. Do you know that there is a significant difference between making a truth claim that is true of everyone and "speaking for" everyone? It certainly doesn't seem like it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/24/11 05:02 PM
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Whatever. I can only speak for myself. I don't speak for "everyone" as you always seem to want to do. Do you know that there is a significant difference between making a truth claim that is true of everyone and "speaking for" everyone? It certainly doesn't seem like it. So what is this "significant" difference? And what gives you the authority to make claims that are true for everyone? |
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Sun 07/24/11 05:06 PM
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The difference is that "speaking for everyone" is to take part in speaking on behalf of everyone, whereas making claims that are true of everyone is only to identify the common denominators which all humans share.
Why would there be a need for someone(or something) giving me "the authority"? |
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You ought pay closer attention... as I wrote true of, not true for.
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There is no such a thing as "true" for you, "true" for me "true" for him, or "true" for her...
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Why would there be a need for someone(or something) giving me "the authority"? Why do you feel that you can make claims that are true of everyone? Are you an expert or a scholar writing a book on the subject? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/24/11 05:14 PM
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There is no such a thing as "true" for you, "true" for me "true" for him, or "true" for her... That is your opinion. That I exist, is true for me. Why can't you 'get' that? |
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There is no such a thing as "true" for you, "true" for me "true" for him, or "true" for her... To finish it off: There are only one's own beliefs, and what it true for everyone. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/24/11 05:20 PM
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There is no such a thing as "true" for you, "true" for me "true" for him, or "true" for her... To finish it off: There are only one's own beliefs, and what it true for everyone. So what is true for everyone? Or is it true OF everyone? Make up your minds here.... |
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Why do you feel that you can make claims that are true of everyone? Because we have common denominators. That is your opinion. That I exist, is true for me. Why can't you 'get' that? That you exist is true. I do get that. Do you? In order for something to be true for you, it would have to be true for you and not everyone else. Truth is not correspondence to you. I do get that. Do you? |
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That which is true of everyone is true of humanity as a whole. That which is true for everyone is true regardless of what anyone thinks/believes about it.
That you exist, is true for everyone, not just you. Do you get that? |
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Why do you feel that you can make claims that are true of everyone? Because we have common denominators. That is your opinion. That I exist, is true for me. Why can't you 'get' that? That you exist is true. I do get that. Do you? In order for something to be true for you, it would have to be true for you and not everyone else. Truth is not correspondence to you. I do get that. Do you? Why do you think that if something is true "for me" it is ONLY true for me and not everyone else? Truth is not correspondence to you. Please explain what you mean by the above. I do not understand the claim. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/24/11 05:54 PM
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That which is true of everyone is true of humanity as a whole. That which is true for everyone is true regardless of what anyone thinks/believes about it. That you exist, is true for everyone, not just you. Do you get that? I understand the claim, yes. I cannot be 100% certain of the claim. I can take your word for it, which would be convenient. That is, I have no reason to doubt the claim. |
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Why do you think that if something is true "for me" it is ONLY true for me and not everyone else? What else could it mean? Truth is not correspondence to you. Please explain what you mean by the above. I do not understand the claim. Truth does not correspond to individual belief, rather it corresponds to fact/reality. Therefore, even if we know what is meant by "true for me" it is misses what truth is and does altogether. In doing do it breeds confusion in thought between truth and belief, as has been witnessed throughout this thread. 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/24/11 06:06 PM
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Why do you think that if something is true "for me" it is ONLY true for me and not everyone else? What else could it mean? It means that I KNOW what is true from my point of experience, but that I do not claim to KNOW what is true from anyone else's point of experience. I am only 100% certain from my own experience.(of existence) |
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Truth by definition is objective, but its perception is subjective. Humans can only perceive truth. If truth is objective and perception is subjective then , by process then truth is subjective. I like the explanation if this in Jung's theory of Collective Unconscious http://www.kheper.net/topics/Jung/collective_unconscious.html |
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