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Topic: Letter sent to the president and my reps
Dragoness's photo
Wed 07/06/11 01:08 PM
I just sent this off to the pres and the reps.

Dear Pres and Reps

I have a concern with the debt ceiling debates and the considerations of congress.

Why do the poor and struggling in this country always have to bear the brunt of the crisis when it happens?

Instead of looking to those who can afford the loss of income per month, congress looks to those who cannot afford to lose a dime of income each month.

It just doesn't make sense.

Thank you for your time and consideration to this matter.

Sincerely,

Barbara Cortez


Bestinshow's photo
Wed 07/06/11 01:37 PM

I just sent this off to the pres and the reps.

Dear Pres and Reps

I have a concern with the debt ceiling debates and the considerations of congress.

Why do the poor and struggling in this country always have to bear the brunt of the crisis when it happens?

Instead of looking to those who can afford the loss of income per month, congress looks to those who cannot afford to lose a dime of income each month.

It just doesn't make sense.

Thank you for your time and consideration to this matter.

Sincerely,

Barbara Cortez


Niceflowerforyou

Lpdon's photo
Wed 07/06/11 06:38 PM
Yup, lets penalize someone for making money. Let's penalize them for getting off their a$$ and working hard and not just collecting a welfare check and skating by. whoa

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/06/11 06:41 PM

Yup, lets penalize someone for making money. Let's penalize them for getting off their a$$ and working hard and not just collecting a welfare check and skating by. whoa



people on welfare dont 'skate by'

and there are millions of others who fall into the 'working poor' category who get off their *** and still dont have much to spare,,,

Lpdon's photo
Wed 07/06/11 06:45 PM
The hell people on Welfare dont. 90% of people on Welfare are milking the system.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/06/11 06:48 PM

The hell people on Welfare dont. 90% of people on Welfare are milking the system.



how would you know? seriously? are you on it,, because I have been

they look for work like anyone else, they even have 'work requirements' in order to receive assistance,, but most people who keep espousing the stereotypes have no real clue what is involved...

Dragoness's photo
Wed 07/06/11 06:48 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Wed 07/06/11 06:49 PM

The hell people on Welfare dont. 90% of people on Welfare are milking the system.


BULLSHYTE

what should we call this "not knowing what the hell you are talking about and usually not caring anyway" mongering?

Lpdon's photo
Wed 07/06/11 06:50 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Wed 07/06/11 06:50 PM


The hell people on Welfare dont. 90% of people on Welfare are milking the system.



how would you know? seriously? are you on it,, because I have been

they look for work like anyone else, they even have 'work requirements' in order to receive assistance,, but most people who keep espousing the stereotypes have no real clue what is involved...


I have the opportunity to be on it for my permanent back injury. I have doctors who say I shouldn't be working and on disability. What did I do? I went back to work, I am not going to drain the system when I can work, I am just in a horrible amount of pain and on heavy medication. If I can do it so can everyone else.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/06/11 06:53 PM



The hell people on Welfare dont. 90% of people on Welfare are milking the system.



how would you know? seriously? are you on it,, because I have been

they look for work like anyone else, they even have 'work requirements' in order to receive assistance,, but most people who keep espousing the stereotypes have no real clue what is involved...


I have the opportunity to be on it for my permanent back injury. I have doctors who say I shouldn't be working and on disability. What did I do? I went back to work, I am not going to drain the system when I can work, I am just in a horrible amount of pain and on heavy medication. If I can do it so can everyone else.






what has that to do with the people who receive assistance because they dont have WORK and have full time parenting responsibilities, childcare, gas expenses, utilities, housing to pay?

because you could go 'back to work' doesnt mean everyone else has that opportunity,,,,

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 07/07/11 08:42 AM



The hell people on Welfare dont. 90% of people on Welfare are milking the system.



how would you know? seriously? are you on it,, because I have been

they look for work like anyone else, they even have 'work requirements' in order to receive assistance,, but most people who keep espousing the stereotypes have no real clue what is involved...


I have the opportunity to be on it for my permanent back injury. I have doctors who say I shouldn't be working and on disability. What did I do? I went back to work, I am not going to drain the system when I can work, I am just in a horrible amount of pain and on heavy medication. If I can do it so can everyone else.
People with children cannot often afford to work as a mall cop. What is the pay exactly? what type of benefits?

I know my own circumstances are that I am over extended right now due to the fact that I got a new rideing lawn mower and new garage doors and have a kid in collage and another driveing heading to his senior year after summer.

I would be better off on unemployment than working for a minimum wage job or slightly above.

my unemployment was around 540.00 a week when I was laid off two years ago.

The fact that I didnt have to purchase gas realy made it easy to be off.

SO who would ever go work for almost nothing and then provide day care for kids and all that gas spent in a commute?

Everyone has differant circumstances we all cannot be single without kids or responsabilities beyond our own imediate needs.

Chazster's photo
Thu 07/07/11 08:50 AM

I just sent this off to the pres and the reps.

Dear Pres and Reps

I have a concern with the debt ceiling debates and the considerations of congress.

Why do the poor and struggling in this country always have to bear the brunt of the crisis when it happens?

Instead of looking to those who can afford the loss of income per month, congress looks to those who cannot afford to lose a dime of income each month.

It just doesn't make sense.

Thank you for your time and consideration to this matter.

Sincerely,

Barbara Cortez



What does this have to do with the debt ceiling? How about the government just be fiscally responsible?

no photo
Thu 07/07/11 10:45 AM
We need to close the circle from both directions.

We need to cut entitlements, we need to cut spending, we need to reduce the size of government.

Government just siphons from the markets it tries to control and fails.

no photo
Thu 07/07/11 10:58 AM

I just sent this off to the pres and the reps.

Dear Pres and Reps

I have a concern with the debt ceiling debates and the considerations of congress.

Why do the poor and struggling in this country always have to bear the brunt of the crisis when it happens?

Instead of looking to those who can afford the loss of income per month, congress looks to those who cannot afford to lose a dime of income each month.

It just doesn't make sense.

Thank you for your time and consideration to this matter.

Sincerely,

Barbara Cortez




Dear Pres and Reps,

Why do you want black men to be without work? With young black people suffering unemployment at 40%, why do you continue to support policies that punish the poor and help your rich friends?

Why did GE pay no taxes on their 2010 profits, even though they made near record profits in that year? (that's a rhetorical question, I know you allowed them to help write the law, which they manipulated to exempt them from taxation)

Why do you hate charities and show your total disregard for the people they help by making donations no longer tax deductible?

Why do you punish the families of the dead with your 50% death tax?

Why do you support the existing Social Security system, which unfairly taxes blacks and Hispanics to help support white people?

Why did you lie to your constituents by telling them that a vote for you was a vote to shut down the war in Iraq and to close Guantanamo?

Why did you lie to the American people by saying you were raising taxes on the rich, when you really raised everyone's taxes?

Regards,

Not-an-Obama Zombie

donthatoneguy's photo
Thu 07/07/11 11:58 AM
This will be the eternal argument for the people who enable the rich to get richer and not pull their weight because they're 'privileged'.

LP, just so you can understand this statement, I'll point it out carefully: Hard Work -does not equal- rich. You can work (through pain). Congratulations. So can I (without it). That doesn't mean either of us are going to be rich. As I've told my stepfather during several political debates:

"No one's saying the poor should pay NOTHING," or 'skate', as you say. "We're asking that the rich pay a comparable amount along the scale for the privileges they enjoy for being rich." Instead, there's tax cuts for the top 2%, corporate tax cuts that also benefit that top 2%, stimulus packages that are thrown on top of that that most benefit the top 2% and incentives for large corporations that drive small business (and by effect, the rest of us HARD WORKERS) into the dirt.

Maybe you're happy busting your a$$ through constant pain while the Walton family sits back on theirs living it up without having to work a day, but if we're supposed to be a democracy that benefits the majority, then why is it the top 2% get most of the breaks?

Stop idolizing Reagan. Trickle-Down Economics means the top 2% get to pi$$ on you from their pedestals.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 07/07/11 01:06 PM




The hell people on Welfare dont. 90% of people on Welfare are milking the system.



how would you know? seriously? are you on it,, because I have been

they look for work like anyone else, they even have 'work requirements' in order to receive assistance,, but most people who keep espousing the stereotypes have no real clue what is involved...


I have the opportunity to be on it for my permanent back injury. I have doctors who say I shouldn't be working and on disability. What did I do? I went back to work, I am not going to drain the system when I can work, I am just in a horrible amount of pain and on heavy medication. If I can do it so can everyone else.






what has that to do with the people who receive assistance because they dont have WORK and have full time parenting responsibilities, childcare, gas expenses, utilities, housing to pay?

because you could go 'back to work' doesnt mean everyone else has that opportunity,,,,


They would have the opportunity if they tried.

They just want to get their money and foodstams so they can buy alcohol, drugs and cigarettes. Fking injuries and disabilities and milking unemployment.

Yup, such honest people. SHAMEFUL.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 07/07/11 01:10 PM

This will be the eternal argument for the people who enable the rich to get richer and not pull their weight because they're 'privileged'.

LP, just so you can understand this statement, I'll point it out carefully: Hard Work -does not equal- rich. You can work (through pain). Congratulations. So can I (without it). That doesn't mean either of us are going to be rich. As I've told my stepfather during several political debates:

"No one's saying the poor should pay NOTHING," or 'skate', as you say. "We're asking that the rich pay a comparable amount along the scale for the privileges they enjoy for being rich." Instead, there's tax cuts for the top 2%, corporate tax cuts that also benefit that top 2%, stimulus packages that are thrown on top of that that most benefit the top 2% and incentives for large corporations that drive small business (and by effect, the rest of us HARD WORKERS) into the dirt.

Maybe you're happy busting your a$$ through constant pain while the Walton family sits back on theirs living it up without having to work a day, but if we're supposed to be a democracy that benefits the majority, then why is it the top 2% get most of the breaks?

Stop idolizing Reagan. Trickle-Down Economics means the top 2% get to pi$$ on you from their pedestals.


If you work hard enough you can achieve anything. Anyone (before Clinton and Obama) could start their own business and prosper. WOrk hard and get rewarded and make millions.

Now Obama wants to penalize those people who worked hard under Reagan, Bush and Bush because they made more because they worked harder, had unique ideas and dreams, started their own companies, went to school longer to make more. He wants to penalize them to support the people who are a drain on society, who just collect a paycheck to blow it all on BS, people who hardly put an effort in life and who with never be NOTHING in life. Only Democrats want to reward lack of effort in life and penalize hard work and effort.

no photo
Thu 07/07/11 01:22 PM

This will be the eternal argument for the people who enable the rich to get richer and not pull their weight because they're 'privileged'.

LP, just so you can understand this statement, I'll point it out carefully: Hard Work -does not equal- rich. You can work (through pain). Congratulations. So can I (without it). That doesn't mean either of us are going to be rich. As I've told my stepfather during several political debates:

"No one's saying the poor should pay NOTHING," or 'skate', as you say. "We're asking that the rich pay a comparable amount along the scale for the privileges they enjoy for being rich." Instead, there's tax cuts for the top 2%, corporate tax cuts that also benefit that top 2%, stimulus packages that are thrown on top of that that most benefit the top 2% and incentives for large corporations that drive small business (and by effect, the rest of us HARD WORKERS) into the dirt.

Maybe you're happy busting your a$$ through constant pain while the Walton family sits back on theirs living it up without having to work a day, but if we're supposed to be a democracy that benefits the majority, then why is it the top 2% get most of the breaks?

Stop idolizing Reagan. Trickle-Down Economics means the top 2% get to pi$$ on you from their pedestals.


I say that the poor should pay nothing and so do many Republicans and Librarians. They system currently helps out the big guy, by allowing a huge company like GE to pay 0 taxes or someone like the founder of Dell computer to pay less than 1/20th of his taxes owed.

I'm absolutely happy for the Waltons to be rich and I don't begrudge them a dime. I love Walmart and can usually find what I want/need there when I go. I would be happy to see all corporations pay the same tax rate as any other citizen would pay, using a flat tax, of course. This would greatly increase our tax revenue, because lawmakers (Democrat and Republican) have created the tax laws so that they protect the rich and punish the middle class.

We need to simplify the tax code to remove all tax breaks and deductions other than dependents. Then make the tax into some form of flat tax that also ensures everyone in the country stays above the poverty level for their household. That's the best we can do and that's all we should do.

no photo
Thu 07/07/11 01:52 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Thu 07/07/11 02:29 PM

They would have the opportunity if they tried.

They just want to get their money and foodstams so they can buy alcohol, drugs and cigarettes. Fking injuries and disabilities and milking unemployment.

Yup, such honest people. SHAMEFUL.


Not everyone is like that at all.

But look at the people who could work, but instead continue to accept Government Benevolence...

The system is designed to keep people on it. If you find a job and take it, your assistance ends and it will take months or longer to get back on the system.

Most people on the system are receiving as much in benefits as they would receive after tax working a job, sometimes even more.

The person's self interests are often best served by remaining on the system. They get more time with their children and they don't have to work. You cannot judge someone as being "shameful" if they choose to stay on welfare instead of finding a job if their whole family is better off with them not working.

A reverse income tax or a Flat tax with a monthly rebate would help to raise everyone out of poverty without unduelly punishing anyone above them in economic status. This would scale to the number of dependents and current income. So getting a job wouldn't decrease your monthly income and you would always have the safety net waiting to catch you.

We also have to re-stigmatize intentionally having children out of wedlock. This will do a great deal to resolving issues of poverty and crime rates.

Kleisto's photo
Thu 07/07/11 02:28 PM
There's a good reason Dragoness. To be blunt, they don't care about you. That's about the best way to put it.

donthatoneguy's photo
Thu 07/07/11 02:32 PM

They would have the opportunity if they tried.

They just want to get their money and foodstams so they can buy alcohol, drugs and cigarettes. Fking injuries and disabilities and milking unemployment.

Yup, such honest people. SHAMEFUL.


One of those hardcore bigots, aren't we? "Shame on you people for being poor! I don't care about your circumstances or where you came from, you're disgusting and you all deserve to rot!"


If you work hard enough you can achieve anything. Anyone (before Clinton and Obama) could start their own business and prosper. WOrk hard and get rewarded and make millions.


Wow ... really? Then why has the divide between the rich and poor grown so steeply since Reagan stepped foot in office? Its so irritating to see so many Americans advocating low taxes for the rich on the OFF-CHANCE that one day they might be one of them.

Reality check: ITS NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN!

Here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/08/income-gap-between-rich-a_n_639984.html

Also: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005550/Americas-pay-gap-Inequality-rich-poor-worse-revolutionary-Egypt.html

Those poor fu**ing rich people ...

Keep in mind, the disparity between the rich and the poor was one of the biggest contributors to the fall of Rome, a 1,000 year old empire ... we're just over 200 and we're approaching that level already.

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