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If one has reason to believe that history is a lie, one does not go to the same country that wrote it to learn the truth. I suspect that most popular history is wrong, and 95% of what we think is true is not true at all. I suspect the Bible is 85% wrong, most being fiction designed around a few plagiarized myths and some real facts and places thrown in to convince people. I'm being generous with the 85%. But that's just me, you can believe whatever you want. OK - stay uninformed by your own choice. All I can do is give you the correct credible references! If you refuse to read the Encyclopedia and its references and reputable historical accounts and sources which demonstrate clearly that your references are white supremacist and Nazi antisemitic blather then just don't pretend to be well read or educated on the subject.  
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it amazes me that people continue to assess that love can be found 'anywhere' but seperation, hate, judgment, ridicule,,etc,, are exclusively the result of 'religion' this is a common mistake made by christians, msharmony. don't know if it's paranoia or what but i don't recall anybody here or anyplace else say that "seperation, hate, judgment, ridicule, etc., are EXCLUSIVELY the result of religion. what people most often say and what christians fail to hear is that many, many people within and without religion have these harmful traits and that being christian, muslim or whatever religion does not ensure that a person will be any more or less guilty of those things. on the contrary, ask a christian where righteousness can be found and i most often hear, "only from the bible". perhaps you've experienced people saying that all the problems of the world are do to religion but i'd never say that nor have i ever heard anybody say that. yes, i do believe the world would be a safer place without religious dogma to infect the minds of people of weak minds who are easily manipulated into doing dastardly deeds. but i hardly blame all the worlds troubles on religion. likewise, I have never heard a crhistian state that righteousness only 'comes from the bible' anyone who puts character traits onto written words has problems whatever attribute man has comes from MAN, it can be promoted, encouraged, discouraged, condemned by other men through spoken or written word but goodness, nor evil, nor righteousness, nor unrighteousness, nor closeness to God, or resistance to God, 'come from' any book, they come from inside man and are all parts of what he is naturally capable of and prone to,, my point was, mh, that i don't see people saying that these hateful traits are EXCLUSIVELY the result of religions. you talked earlier about not painting with a broad brush. this is a pretty broad statement. have you actually heard somebody use the word "exclusively" when talking about religion being the cause of all the world's problems??? |
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Nothing will ever be accepted. Take a look at particularly intelligent sci-fi series and films: Star Trek, Firefly, Fifth Element (yes, I know this is a quasi-religious film in and of itself), The Matrix, etc. "intelligent sci-fi"
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/27/11 07:55 AM
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If one has reason to believe that history is a lie, one does not go to the same country that wrote it to learn the truth. I suspect that most popular history is wrong, and 95% of what we think is true is not true at all. I suspect the Bible is 85% wrong, most being fiction designed around a few plagiarized myths and some real facts and places thrown in to convince people. I'm being generous with the 85%. But that's just me, you can believe whatever you want. OK - stay uninformed by your own choice. All I can do is give you the correct credible references! If you refuse to read the Encyclopedia and its references and reputable historical accounts and sources which demonstrate clearly that your references are white supremacist and Nazi antisemitic blather then just don't pretend to be well read or educated on the subject. Popular history is not accurate, sorry. (It never has been.) You have to dig deeper. I have read all that stuff anyway. You are the one who wishes to stay uninformed. |
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In the the world, it is always the conquerors who write the history. If they raped and pillaged and committed war crimes it is highly unlikely they are going to write that in the history books.
That's a no brainer. |
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If one has reason to believe that history is a lie, one does not go to the same country that wrote it to learn the truth. I suspect that most popular history is wrong, and 95% of what we think is true is not true at all. I suspect the Bible is 85% wrong, most being fiction designed around a few plagiarized myths and some real facts and places thrown in to convince people. I'm being generous with the 85%. But that's just me, you can believe whatever you want. OK - stay uninformed by your own choice. All I can do is give you the correct credible references! If you refuse to read the Encyclopedia and its references and reputable historical accounts and sources which demonstrate clearly that your references are white supremacist and Nazi antisemitic blather then just don't pretend to be well read or educated on the subject. Popular history is not accurate, sorry. (It never has been.) You have to dig deeper. I have read all that stuff anyway. You are the one who wishes to stay uninformed. Except I have read the books and the Encyclopedia articles and you have only read the glossary of the book.  Now that's a "no brainer"... |
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if you take away the bibles mentioning of King David there is no other ancient inscriptions about him,also i might add there is no 100% solid evidence his kingdom ever existed along with there being no inscriptions from other lands of him (David) conquering them.
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if you take away the bibles mentioning of King David there is no other ancient inscriptions about him,also i might add there is no 100% solid evidence his kingdom ever existed along with there being no inscriptions from other lands of him (David) conquering them. That's what I'm talking about! |
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s1owhand
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Mon 06/27/11 11:53 AM
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if you take away the bibles mentioning of King David there is no other ancient inscriptions about him,also i might add there is no 100% solid evidence his kingdom ever existed along with there being no inscriptions from other lands of him (David) conquering them. That's what I'm talking about! Like I said earlier the Bible is a story - parables and it is irrelevant whether Abraham or David really existed. It does not invalidate Christianity, Islam or Judaism. These are just religions which study this book and its lessons and teachings and use them as a starting point for discussions of ethics and philosophy and human behavior. You have no proof either way. You can neither prove these ancient people in the story really existed nor can you prove they did not exist. Whoopedie Doo! your moot point is meaningless! The truth you have exposed is that you can't say anything either way!! |
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/27/11 12:33 PM
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if you take away the bibles mentioning of King David there is no other ancient inscriptions about him,also i might add there is no 100% solid evidence his kingdom ever existed along with there being no inscriptions from other lands of him (David) conquering them. That's what I'm talking about! Like I said earlier the Bible is a story - parables and it is irrelevant whether Abraham or David really existed. It does not invalidate Christianity, Islam or Judaism. These are just religions which study this book and its lessons and teachings and use them as a starting point for discussions of ethics and philosophy and human behavior. Yes I agree that the Bible is a story - parables. On this we agree. But to the people who believe their religions, they are not "just parables or stories." It is to them, The infallible word of GOD and they will insist that this is true. (Unless they are just pretending to be believers.) You have no proof either way. You can neither prove these ancient people in the story really existed nor can you prove they did not exist. With valid unbiased investigation you can probably prove the Bible stories are just "parables" and not to be taken as truth. But it is always the job of the person making the claim of truth to provide the evidence. You, they, and everyone has to find the truth if they want it. For me, I will ask for evidence of their claims or I will dismiss them. |
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RKISIT
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Mon 06/27/11 12:42 PM
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if you take away the bibles mentioning of King David there is no other ancient inscriptions about him,also i might add there is no 100% solid evidence his kingdom ever existed along with there being no inscriptions from other lands of him (David) conquering them. That's what I'm talking about! Like I said earlier the Bible is a story - parables and it is irrelevant whether Abraham or David really existed. It does not invalidate Christianity, Islam or Judaism. These are just religions which study this book and its lessons and teachings and use them as a starting point for discussions of ethics and philosophy and human behavior. You have no proof either way. You can neither prove these ancient people in the story really existed nor can you prove they did not exist. Whoopedie Doo! your moot point is meaningless! The truth you have exposed is that you can't say anything either way!! |
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s1owhand
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Mon 06/27/11 12:55 PM
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if you take away the bibles mentioning of King David there is no other ancient inscriptions about him,also i might add there is no 100% solid evidence his kingdom ever existed along with there being no inscriptions from other lands of him (David) conquering them. That's what I'm talking about! Like I said earlier the Bible is a story - parables and it is irrelevant whether Abraham or David really existed. It does not invalidate Christianity, Islam or Judaism. These are just religions which study this book and its lessons and teachings and use them as a starting point for discussions of ethics and philosophy and human behavior. You have no proof either way. You can neither prove these ancient people in the story really existed nor can you prove they did not exist. Whoopedie Doo! your moot point is meaningless! The truth you have exposed is that you can't say anything either way!! Current lack of proof about David's existence does NOT prove that he did not exist or that there is no reason for archeological digs etc... It just means you don't know either...
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/27/11 01:02 PM
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Current lack of proof about David's existence does NOT prove that he did not exist or that there is no reason for archeological digs etc... There is NO reason to believe David ever existed if there is no proof. So there is NO reason to base any religion on a Book that is nothing but pure fiction. You can only 'hope' it is true. But a little investigation will prove that it is fiction. People are afraid to go there. They don't want proof that they have been duped. Yet people insist that the Bible is infallible and true. They need to put their money where their mouth is. Prove it! They can't. Religion is doomed. People are waking up. There is nothing you can do to stop it. Wouldn't it be really funny if we discovered that 99% of the people who claim to be "religious" are just faking it to fit in? I think that number is at least 65% already. People need to be honest about their unbelief. People need to demand proof of what they are being told. |
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if you take away the bibles mentioning of King David there is no other ancient inscriptions about him,also i might add there is no 100% solid evidence his kingdom ever existed along with there being no inscriptions from other lands of him (David) conquering them. That's what I'm talking about! Like I said earlier the Bible is a story - parables and it is irrelevant whether Abraham or David really existed. It does not invalidate Christianity, Islam or Judaism. These are just religions which study this book and its lessons and teachings and use them as a starting point for discussions of ethics and philosophy and human behavior. Yes I agree that the Bible is a story - parables. On this we agree. But to the people who believe their religions, they are not "just parables or stories." It is to them, The infallible word of GOD and they will insist that this is true. (Unless they are just pretending to be believers.) You have no proof either way. You can neither prove these ancient people in the story really existed nor can you prove they did not exist. With valid unbiased investigation you can probably prove the Bible stories are just "parables" and not to be taken as truth. But it is always the job of the person making the claim of truth to provide the evidence. You, they, and everyone has to find the truth if they want it. For me, I will ask for evidence of their claims or I will dismiss them. I have also read the Bible and it is ludicrous to take it literally. Some revere it for the insight they gain by studying the stories and in this regard consider it divinely inspired. But it can't be taken literally. It is just silly. That does not mean that it is purely fiction however. Some of the people/places may have really existed. Jerusalem for example is not fictional. Nor is Judea. The Temple is real. etc. Some of the people would have died so long ago that the Bible may be the only record of their existence. On the other hand more corroborating evidence may be discovered. |
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/27/11 01:19 PM
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Personally, I am angry and I'm not going to take it anymore. I'm sick of the unsupported, unscientific, absurd claims made by all religions.
I say prove it, or get out of my face with it. Live in darkness if you chose but don't peddle your unproven information and untruths to me. Put up or shut up. Some of the people/places may have really existed. I agree. But the stories are all suspect. Don't call them true. Don't even say they 'might be true." They will be stamped 'FICTION' unless you have proof. But if people want to believe them, and base their entire life, world and governments on them, then the least people can do is challenge them. |
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/27/11 01:23 PM
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Jerusalem for example is not fictional. Nor is Judea. The Temple is real. etc. Some of the people would have died so long ago that the Bible may be the only record of their existence. On the other hand more corroborating evidence may be discovered I have a friend who writes historical romances novels. All of her places and historical events are well researched and true, Her story is fiction. It does not matter if "Jerusalem" is real. Or Judea. Or the temple. The New testament was written three centuries after the supposed death of Jesus. How long after Adam and Eve do you suppose that story was written? These are not "records." They are made up stories. |
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Personally, I am angry and I'm not going to take it anymore. I'm sick of the unsupported, unscientific, absurd claims made by all religions.
I say prove it, or get out of my face with it. Live in darkness if you chose but don't peddle your unproven information and untruths to me. Put up or shut up Answer- Jeaniebean. many christians including myself have given you the truth,i myself having told you some of what God has done in my life. all you do is kick against what ever anyone has to say to you,and thats because you are not having your way on this and other threads about being enlightened (new age stuff which is a lie from the devil himself to try to discredit GOD ALMIGHTY)and that includes tarrot cards that you read to others,through your self,(it proves you believe in the devils work ,darkness,because thats what it is,did you know the devil himself when you come against GOD ALMIGHTY has a hold on your life he will use you like a puppet on a string,telling his lies,but let me just say this, he has been defeated at the cross HIS LIES WILL SHOW FOR WHAT THEY ARE,the light of GOD himself will shine in that darkness what you are preaching on here to others,and may i add you will also be accountable with what you say leading others astray from there creator,its quite clear on these threads you are the instigator of coming against things what you clearly dont know anything about. Sounds like to me you are just full of hot air,you are a well without water. You make out you know everything about everything you always think you have the answer,you dont. You cast aside everything christian say to you as having no proof,but there is lots of proof even without christians saying anything about who God is,just open your eyes and look just for once ,take off your blinkers and see how good GOD is. Why do you think christians keep showing up on these threads? God will reveal the truth in many ways to you, but for you too hear you need to do some listening. And no, i have been down this path with you so has others i wont be going there again.but be rest assured JESUS is the listener to every conversation and is recorded in heaven for the time of judgement to come, you dont need to ask for proof it will happen and it will be to late to turn around there will be no repentence on that day,GOD listens to no excuses from man, as every one would have had there chance,he is a just GOD. |
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/27/11 02:55 PM
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Answer- Jeaniebean. many christians including myself have given you the truth,i myself having told you some of what God has done in my life. all you do is kick against what ever anyone has to say to you,and thats because you are not having your way on this and other threads about being enlightened (new age stuff which is a lie from the devil himself to try to discredit GOD ALMIGHTY)and that includes tarrot cards that you read to others,through your self,(it proves you believe in the devils work ,darkness,because thats what it is,did you know the devil himself when you come against GOD ALMIGHTY has a hold on your life he will use you like a puppet on a string,telling his lies,but let me just say this, he has been defeated at the cross HIS LIES WILL SHOW FOR WHAT THEY ARE,the light of GOD himself will shine in that darkness what you are preaching on here to others,and may i add you will also be accountable with what you say leading others astray from there creator,its quite clear on these threads you are the instigator of coming against things what you clearly dont know anything about. Lady that is one long sentence.  Do you actually talk like that? I love responses like yours because it serves as a fantastic example of what religion has done to a person's ability to actually THINK rationally. P.S. The devil does not actually exist. Unless he is a non-human alien creature of some kind. But I have never seen him and neither have you. Sounds like to me you are just full of hot air,you are a well without water.  You make out you know everything about everything you always think you have the answer,you dont. You cast aside everything christian say to you as having no proof,but there is lots of proof even without christians saying anything about who God is,just open your eyes and look just for once ,take off your blinkers and see how good GOD is. Christians don't own God. FYI I not only cast everything aside "Christian" (spelled with a capitol "C" BTW) I throw ALL religion away that bases its belief on unsupported, unproven stories. I do not discriminate. All religions are based on false information and propaganda. Prove otherwise I say. I say this not only to Christians. I say it to everyone. Why do you think christians keep showing up on these threads? God will reveal the truth in many ways to you, but for you too hear you need to do some listening. How do you know that GOD has not already "revealed the truth" to me? I will listen when I see that someone actually has some real archaeological evidence that King David and Abraham actually existed. I'm still waiting... And no, i have been down this path with you so has others i wont be going there again. And yet here you are. but be rest assured JESUS is the listener to every conversation and is recorded in heaven for the time of judgement to come, you dont need to ask for proof it will happen and it will be to late to turn around there will be no repentence on that day,GOD listens to no excuses from man, as every one would have had there chance,he is a just GOD. I am not concerned with your superstitious threats or warnings about what you think is going to happen to me. And again, you do not own God and neither does anyone else. So stop claiming that you do. You can believe whatever you want, but don't preach to me until you have more evidence. Real scientific unbiased evidence. You don't have it and you never will. Thank you for being the PERFECT example of what I am angry at. Basically, I rest my case.  
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/27/11 03:29 PM
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P.S.
If you are so sure you have all the answers why are you the least bit threatened or bothered by my posts? Why do you even read them? If I am so full of B.S. and if I am so wrong, then don't read anything I have to say. Go away. Don't read my posts. I don't come to your church and preach. Yet you come into this thread and attack me personally. That is against forum rules. |
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P.S. If you are so sure you have all the answers why are you the least bit threatened or bothered by my posts? Why do you even read them? If I am so full of B.S. and if I am so wrong, then don't read anything I have to say. It is cheaper than the circus!! j/k But it really is silly to admit that you don't know whether or not the Bible is true...but then claim it is pure fiction. You yourself admit there is no proof or disproof of Abraham or David etc. That means there is no proof at all. It is all conjecture!!! Abraham and David could very well have lived and had part or most of their stories told accurately in the Bible. You just don't know.
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