Topic: Obama supports Bush's police State Patriot Act
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Thu 06/16/11 03:53 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Thu 06/16/11 03:54 PM




had barrak promised in the campaign he'd do some of the things he's done since he was sworn in i likely would have voted for the sob. the patriot act is needed legislation during these times.


The Patriot act is bull crap and it totally destroys your rights giving all the power to government. You have given away your rights and your freedoms.

They love people like you who believe their lies that the Patriot act is needed. I can't believe that you and other people have all cowed down to government and given your freedom away after so many have died for it.

The government now has the right to kidnap people, assassinate people, arrest people without rights etc. Basically they have ultimate power to do anything they damn well please. And its all 'legal.'

"These times" have become these times because of the criminals who have infiltrated and run our banking systems and our country.












You have nothing to fear if your doing nothing wrong.

Anyone who freaks out about the Patriot Act has something to hide.



That is simply NOT True.


That only applies assuming that the government is not corrupt.

It is corrupt to a great extent.

And it will get a lot worse.


Yes. You have to understand something, what's right to you, could very easily be wrong to them, then you are totally screwed. Maybe the law isn't effecting you now, but what happens when it is? What happens when something that YOU'RE doing, becomes wrong?

Example, in the state of Georgia now it has become illegal to grow your own food in your backyard garden. Think about that for second....how on earth is that wrong?

You must wake up, and realize that all they want is total power and obedience to them from us, and they don't give a damn who they step on to get it. You, me, we mean NOTHING to them, except what we can do for them. That's it.

We must stop playing their game, because if we play, we WILL lose.

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Thu 06/16/11 03:55 PM

whoa Jesus, there is and never will be a New World Order.

We as a world can not get along with eachother and will NEVER for a one world government.


Does the European Union not ring a bell? What do you think the purpose of that was? It was the first step towards globalization.

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Thu 06/16/11 04:00 PM


whoa Jesus, there is and never will be a New World Order.

We as a world can not get along with eachother and will NEVER for a one world government.


Does the European Union not ring a bell? What do you think the purpose of that was? It was the first step towards globalization.


No, it is bring together a group of INDEPENDANT countries with common interests in the same region of the world. They are ALL independant countries.

It is no different then NATO or the UN.

All these conspiracy theroies are started by people with severe mental disabilities who have paraniod tendancies and unfortunately are followed by a small percentage of people. The majority of people see it for what it really is, insanity.

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Thu 06/16/11 04:09 PM



whoa Jesus, there is and never will be a New World Order.

We as a world can not get along with eachother and will NEVER for a one world government.


Does the European Union not ring a bell? What do you think the purpose of that was? It was the first step towards globalization.


No, it is bring together a group of INDEPENDANT countries with common interests in the same region of the world. They are ALL independant countries.

It is no different then NATO or the UN.

All these conspiracy theroies are started by people with severe mental disabilities who have paraniod tendancies and unfortunately are followed by a small percentage of people. The majority of people see it for what it really is, insanity.


What you fail to understand is, this is EXACTLY what they want you to think about us. Because then you won't actually stop and think about what we are saying, and they can continue to do whatever they want. There's a reason they hardly ever really debate people on topics like this one, because they can't or they will be exposed. So instead they put us down to make us look bad, so that you won't believe us. It's time to break out of the Matrix.

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Thu 06/16/11 04:11 PM
And I would still ask you......if they can plot to take out JFK.......what else are they gonna be capable of? If you think they'd stop at just one thing, you are being naive.

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Thu 06/16/11 04:21 PM



whoa Jesus, there is and never will be a New World Order.

We as a world can not get along with eachother and will NEVER for a one world government.


Does the European Union not ring a bell? What do you think the purpose of that was? It was the first step towards globalization.


No, it is bring together a group of INDEPENDANT countries with common interests in the same region of the world. They are ALL independant countries.

It is no different then NATO or the UN.

All these conspiracy theroies are started by people with severe mental disabilities who have paraniod tendancies and unfortunately are followed by a small percentage of people. The majority of people see it for what it really is, insanity.


The United States was a group of Independent states too. But they came under the thumb of the Federal Government... mainly from accepting bribes (money).

If you would open your eyes you would see that these are not "conspiracy theories" they are FACTS.

Who owns the federal reserve? Google that.
The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks.
Here are some details:

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html


Who owns the United States?

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/who-owns-united-states




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Thu 06/16/11 04:22 PM

whoa Jesus, there is not and never will be a New World Order.

We as a world can not get along with eachother and will NEVER for a one world government.


You will see it in YOUR lifetime.


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Thu 06/16/11 05:38 PM



The Patriot act is bull crap and it totally destroys your rights giving all the power to government. You have given away your rights and your freedoms.


which rights and freedoms am i now deprived of???

The government now has the right to kidnap people, assassinate people, arrest people without rights etc. Basically they have ultimate power to do anything they damn well please. And its all 'legal.'


none of what you say here is correct according to the patriot act.

"These times" have become these times because of the criminals who have infiltrated and run our banking systems and our country.


"these times" have become these times because of criminals, it's true. now we have the patriot act to counteract those criminals. who has infiltrated to run our banking systems, much less our country??? obama is president. the democrats have run the congress for most of the years the patriot act has been in force. are you saying it's obama and the democrates who've infiltrated and run the banking system and the congress since the patriot act was passed???




You have no clue do you? Most people don't.

All I can say is... we are doomed. frustrated

In London people are abducted on the street and never seen again.
That will soon be happening here.

They can arrest you and hold you in a secret prison without letting your family know where you are and without letting you call anyone or have a lawyer if they decide for some reason that you are a "domestic terrorist."

It could even be as a result of a mistaken identity.

You think this government protects you? Wait until the crap hits the fan, or a really huge disaster happens. Guess where your government will be? Hiding in their underground bunkers.







yes, all you can say is we are doomed. what you obviouslycannot say is what rights and freedoms we have lost which was my question.

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Thu 06/16/11 05:41 PM

Example, in the state of Georgia now it has become illegal to grow your own food in your backyard garden.


can you cite the georgia statute number that says this???

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Thu 06/16/11 05:44 PM
yes, all you can say is we are doomed. what you obviouslycannot say is what rights and freedoms we have lost which was my question.


The right to privacy.
The right to a lawyer if you are arrested for ANYTHING.
Freedom of information.


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Thu 06/16/11 05:50 PM

And I would still ask you......if they can plot to take out JFK.......what else are they gonna be capable of? If you think they'd stop at just one thing, you are being naive.

Yes but it has yet to be proven it was a government conspiracy.

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Thu 06/16/11 05:54 PM

yes, all you can say is we are doomed. what you obviouslycannot say is what rights and freedoms we have lost which was my question.


The right to privacy.
The right to a lawyer if you are arrested for ANYTHING.
Freedom of information.




we still have a right to privacy. roe v wade was decided based on that right. we still have a right to an attorney if we are arrested. the freedom of information act came long before the patriot act.

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Thu 06/16/11 05:59 PM


Example, in the state of Georgia now it has become illegal to grow your own food in your backyard garden.


can you cite the georgia statute number that says this???


I assume it is this one

http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/FSMA/ucm247548.htm

in SEC. 105. STANDARDS FOR PRODUCE SAFETY it states:


"(g) Clarification.--This section shall not apply to produce that is produced by an individual for personal consumption.


and in SEC. 105. STANDARDS FOR PRODUCE SAFETY.


"(g) Clarification.--This section shall not apply to produce that is produced by an individual for personal consumption.


The only sources I could find regarding Georgia were about this bill what

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Thu 06/16/11 06:20 PM


yes, all you can say is we are doomed. what you obviouslycannot say is what rights and freedoms we have lost which was my question.


The right to privacy.
The right to a lawyer if you are arrested for ANYTHING.
Freedom of information.




we still have a right to privacy. roe v wade was decided based on that right. we still have a right to an attorney if we are arrested. the freedom of information act came long before the patriot act.


You don't know much about the law do you?

You can be deprived of an attorney IF you are deemed a terrorist or even a "domestic terrorist." They have the right to toss you in a secret prison and not allow you to call anyone.


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Rescind President Obama's 'Transparency Award' now
The Obama administration's record on secrecy and surveillance is a disgrace and should not be sanitised by unearned prizes

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President Obama has not decreased, but has dramatically increased governmental secrecy. According to a new report to the president by the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO) – the federal agency that provides oversight of the government's security classification system – the cost of classification for 2010 has reached over $10.17bn. That's a 15% jump from the previous year, and the first time ever that secrecy costs have surpassed $10bn. Last month, ISOO reported that the number of original classification decisions generated by the Obama administration in 2010 was 224,734 – a 22.6% jump from the previous year (see The Price of Secrecy, Obama Edition).

• There were 544,360 requests for information last year under the Freedom of Information Act to the 35 biggest federal agencies – 41,000 requests more than the year before. Yet the bureaucracy responded to 12,400 fewer requests than the prior year, according to an analysis by the Associated Press.

• Obama has invoked baseless and unconstitutional executive secrecy to quash legal inquiries into secret illegalities more often than any predecessor. The list of this president's invocations of the "state secrets privilege" has already resulted in shutting down lawsuits involving the National Security Agency's illegal wiretapping – Jewel v NSA and Shubert v Obama; extraordinary rendition and assassination – Anwar al-Awlaki; and illegal torture – Binyam Mohamed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jun/14/rescind-barack-obama-obama-transparency-award


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Thu 06/16/11 06:26 PM



whoa Jesus, there is and never will be a New World Order.

We as a world can not get along with eachother and will NEVER for a one world government.


Does the European Union not ring a bell? What do you think the purpose of that was? It was the first step towards globalization.


No, it is bring together a group of INDEPENDANT countries with common interests in the same region of the world. They are ALL independant countries.

It is no different then NATO or the UN.

All these conspiracy theroies are started by people with severe mental disabilities who have paraniod tendancies and unfortunately are followed by a small percentage of people. The majority of people see it for what it really is, insanity.
seriously?

I submit the following as evidence that they are only called "conspiracy theories" until proper light is shed on them and they are proven to be true.


What follows are some of these most shocking modern conspiracy theories that were apparently right all along.

The Dreyfus Affair: In the late 1800s in France, Jewish artillery officer Alfred Dreyfus was wrongfully convicted of treason based on false government documents, and sentenced to life in prison. The French government did attempt to cover this up, but Dreyfus was eventually pardoned after the affair was made public (an act that is credited to writer Émile Zola).

The Mafia: This secret crime society was virtually unknown until the 1960s, when member Joe Valachi first revealed the society's secrets to law enforcement officials.

MK-ULTRA: In the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA ran a mind-control project aimed at finding a "truth serum" to use on communist spies. Test subjects were given LSD and other drugs, often without consent, and some were tortured. At least one man, civilian biochemist Frank Olson, who was working for the government, died as a result of the experiments. The project was finally exposed after investigations by the Rockefeller Commission.

Operation Mockingbird: Also in the 1950s to '70s, the CIA paid a number of well-known domestic and foreign journalists (from big-name media outlets like Time, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CBS and others) to publish CIA propaganda. The CIA also reportedly funded at least one movie, the animated "Animal Farm," by George Orwell. The Church Committee finally exposed the activities in 1975.

Watergate: Republican officials spied on the Democratic National Headquarters from the Watergate Hotel in 1972. While conspiracy theories suggested underhanded dealings were taking place, it wasn't until 1974 that White House tape recordings linked President Nixon to the break-in and forced him to resign.

The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: The United States Public Health Service carried out this clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972. During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments, and adequate treatment was intentionally withheld so the agency could learn more about the disease. While the study was initially supposed to last just six months, it continued for 40 years. Close to 200 of the men died from syphilis or related complications by the end of the study.



Operation Northwoods was a well-orchestrated plan by top U.S. military leaders to create public support for a war against Cuba -- by carrying out acts of terrorism on U.S. soil, hijacking planes, sinking Cuban refugee boats and more.

Operation Northwoods: In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. The plans were all approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but were reportedly rejected by the civilian leadership, then kept secret for nearly 40 years.

The Iran-Contra Affair: In 1985 and '86, the White House authorized government officials to secretly trade weapons with the Israeli government in exchange for the release of U.S. hostages in Iran. The plot was uncovered by Congress in 1987.

1990 Testimony of Nayirah: A 15-year-old girl named "Nayirah" testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but -- despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory -- it was later discovered that the testimony was false. It was actually the creation of public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the purpose of promoting the Gulf War
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/02/28/the-9-most-shocking-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.htm

Kleisto's photo
Thu 06/16/11 06:55 PM


yes, all you can say is we are doomed. what you obviouslycannot say is what rights and freedoms we have lost which was my question.


The right to privacy.
The right to a lawyer if you are arrested for ANYTHING.
Freedom of information.




we still have a right to privacy. roe v wade was decided based on that right.


How do we have a right to privacy if they can listen in on our phone conversations?

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Thu 06/16/11 06:56 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 06/16/11 06:58 PM
drinker Bestinshow

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

What about all the Nazi's who were given new identities and hired by our government after world war II?

A Justice Department report offers new evidence that the United States created a "safe haven" in America for Nazis and their collaborators following the end of World War II, The New York Times reports.
The 600-page report, which the Justice Department has reportedly tried to keep secret, describes the roles of the lawyers, historians and investigators at the agency’s Office of Special Investigations (OSI) in pursuing the most notorious Nazi cases of the past 30 years.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/14/report-offered-nazis-safe-haven-america-world-war-ii/#ixzz1PUi0mSXp

Official Papers here:

http://documents.nytimes.com/confidential-report-provides-new-evidence-of-notorious-nazi-cases?ref=us#p=1

Kleisto's photo
Thu 06/16/11 06:56 PM


And I would still ask you......if they can plot to take out JFK.......what else are they gonna be capable of? If you think they'd stop at just one thing, you are being naive.

Yes but it has yet to be proven it was a government conspiracy.


And what do you base that on?

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Thu 06/16/11 06:58 PM

drinker Bestinshow

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

What about all the Nazi's who were given new identities and hired by our government after world war II?

A Justice Department report offers new evidence that the United States created a "safe haven" in America for Nazis and their collaborators following the end of World War II, The New York Times reports.
The 600-page report, which the Justice Department has reportedly tried to keep secret, describes the roles of the lawyers, historians and investigators at the agency’s Office of Special Investigations (OSI) in pursuing the most notorious Nazi cases of the past 30 years.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/14/report-offered-nazis-safe-haven-america-world-war-ii/#ixzz1PUi0mSXp
operation paper clip

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Thu 06/16/11 07:23 PM




whoa Jesus, there is and never will be a New World Order.

We as a world can not get along with eachother and will NEVER for a one world government.


Does the European Union not ring a bell? What do you think the purpose of that was? It was the first step towards globalization.


No, it is bring together a group of INDEPENDANT countries with common interests in the same region of the world. They are ALL independant countries.

It is no different then NATO or the UN.

All these conspiracy theroies are started by people with severe mental disabilities who have paraniod tendancies and unfortunately are followed by a small percentage of people. The majority of people see it for what it really is, insanity.


What you fail to understand is, this is EXACTLY what they want you to think about us. Because then you won't actually stop and think about what we are saying, and they can continue to do whatever they want. There's a reason they hardly ever really debate people on topics like this one, because they can't or they will be exposed. So instead they put us down to make us look bad, so that you won't believe us. It's time to break out of the Matrix.


whoa