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Things like this occur in a snowball effect, not in two or four years time. and Just as so----it will take a lot of time to repair.
What I really want to know, when was gas $1.38 AGAIN? lol I dont really recall it being that cheap in years...not in Cali anyways.... |
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And the facts on the list are not something we didn't already know anyway. Nor does it prove anything about the president. So then any change in those same numbers during Bush's era says nothing about him right? Or do democrat presidents have special rules? Bush ignored the warning given him about the economy because he was to preoccupied with waging his illegal oil war. So if ignorance is a fault he has it. Going to war with congressional approval is not illegal. Bombing a country w/o congressional approval may be though. |
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Coming from the person that considers an explanation being "its republicans fault" Of course it's the Republican's fault. 30 years of Republican policies made what is happening now inevitable. Just as Hoover caused the Great Depression, Republicans caused this one. You really should read some history. You miss my point entirely. I am not arguing whose fault it is. I am saying that claiming something is someones fault is not an explanation. |
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And the facts on the list are not something we didn't already know anyway. Nor does it prove anything about the president. So then any change in those same numbers during Bush's era says nothing about him right? Or do democrat presidents have special rules? Bush ignored the warning given him about the economy because he was to preoccupied with waging his illegal oil war. So if ignorance is a fault he has it. And if I am correct Clinton ignored terrorists who ended up being hijackers in 9-11. |
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Going to war with congressional approval is not illegal. Bombing a country w/o congressional approval may be though. not if the president orders the bombing. war powers act. |
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...the change.well that's what you got left in your pocket...if that.. 
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Going to war with congressional approval is not illegal. Bombing a country w/o congressional approval may be though. not if the president orders the bombing. war powers act. So we agree that neither are. |
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So then any change in those same numbers during Bush's era says nothing about him right? Or do democrat presidents have special rules?[ You will recall that the Republican denied all responsibilty for the recession of 2000, which happened on Bush's watch. It was the bursting of the Clinton bubble that caused that one. Remember? I guess Democratic and Republican Presidents both get to have special rules. not if the president orders the bombing. war powers act. One of those Constitutional provisions that got left behind years ago. It most certainly is unconstitutional, but it's OK if you call it a "police action" or an enforcement of "no-fly zone". Did you know that Art 2, section 8 specifically prohibits the appropriation of funds for a war for any longer than 2 years? |
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And the facts on the list are not something we didn't already know anyway. Nor does it prove anything about the president. So then any change in those same numbers during Bush's era says nothing about him right? Or do democrat presidents have special rules? Bush ignored the warning given him about the economy because he was to preoccupied with waging his illegal oil war. So if ignorance is a fault he has it. Going to war with congressional approval is not illegal. Bombing a country w/o congressional approval may be though. Incorrect! A president can engage in a policing action for 30 days before he needs congressional approval before acting further. He cannot go to war without congress with ONE EXCEPTION, American soil is attacked first! World War II is a example of an incident the president did not need congressional blessing to act. An attack on American assets like sinking a ship does not necessarily give a president free reign to declare war. That is why Vietnam started as a Policing Action but wound up becoming a war! Libya did not attack us, the UN asked us to go to war and Obama did not do so with Congress Authorizing his action. That is an Impeachable act! I had to write a paper on this subject in college but not over the Libyan issue. Got me an A too! Another noteworthy exception is if an ally is attacked. It is general principle that the president usually will get congressional blessing before acting on a treaty but usually that is one exception to the rule. By treaty we are supposed to respond. We are OBLIGED by treaty to retaliate if a nuke is used on an ally. Again Libya didn't attack anyone. The UN dragged us into a Libyan internal affair. |
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So then any change in those same numbers during Bush's era says nothing about him right? Or do democrat presidents have special rules?[ You will recall that the Republican denied all responsibilty for the recession of 2000, which happened on Bush's watch. It was the bursting of the Clinton bubble that caused that one. Remember? I guess Democratic and Republican Presidents both get to have special rules. not if the president orders the bombing. war powers act. One of those Constitutional provisions that got left behind years ago. It most certainly is unconstitutional, but it's OK if you call it a "police action" or an enforcement of "no-fly zone". Did you know that Art 2, section 8 specifically prohibits the appropriation of funds for a war for any longer than 2 years? When was that written becasue Korea has been going on since the 1950s making that a 60 year war so far. Are the shittheads calling the shots trying to break the record of the 100 year war? |
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Edited by
jrbogie
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Fri 06/10/11 10:41 AM
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Did you know that Art 2, section 8 specifically prohibits the appropriation of funds for a war for any longer than 2 years? well i'll be damned, no i didn't know that. perhaps it's because article two only has four sections, ya think? indeed, only article one has at least eight sections, article ONE section eight having to do with the powers of congress in which there are no prohibitions whatsoever. and nothing IS unconstitution unless and until it has been ruled so by a federal court. what you think or i think or the president thinks or the congress thinks or elvis thought is irrelevant. article the empowers the judiciary solely to interpret the constitution or our laws. |
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Did you know that Art 2, section 8 specifically prohibits the appropriation of funds for a war for any longer than 2 years? I think you are referring to Article 1 section 8 that states The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html |
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I saw this on youtube last night and thought it was funny....whether you agree or not...it's a catchy tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6TcpfBHlbs Just a little humor for you guys |
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I think you are referring to Article 1 section 8 My bad. I should re-read before I write. When was that written becasue Korea has been going on since the 1950s making that a 60 year war so far. I believe the Constitution was written sometime before 1786. That part of Art I has never been amended, to my knowledge. And if I am correct Clinton ignored terrorists who ended up being hijackers in 9-11. Not surprisingly, your understanding is completely opposite of mine. I have seen tis claim referenced on Google on may blogs. My understanding is that Clinton's intelligence apparatus was obsessed with Al Quida and Osama Bin Laden as soon as their existence became known. On transition to the Bush team, they went to Condoleeza Rice to warn her that a major amount of her time was going to be spent worrying about terrorists. Dick Cheny created a task force on Terrorism that never met once. That is something that I cannot prove. I would only accept a source for your understanding that is more authoritative than a blog. I would expect that would be the same for you. |
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And the facts on the list are not something we didn't already know anyway. Nor does it prove anything about the president. So then any change in those same numbers during Bush's era says nothing about him right? Or do democrat presidents have special rules? Bush ignored the warning given him about the economy because he was to preoccupied with waging his illegal oil war. So if ignorance is a fault he has it. Going to war with congressional approval is not illegal. Bombing a country w/o congressional approval may be though. Incorrect! A president can engage in a policing action for 30 days before he needs congressional approval before acting further. He cannot go to war without congress with ONE EXCEPTION, American soil is attacked first! World War II is a example of an incident the president did not need congressional blessing to act. An attack on American assets like sinking a ship does not necessarily give a president free reign to declare war. That is why Vietnam started as a Policing Action but wound up becoming a war! Libya did not attack us, the UN asked us to go to war and Obama did not do so with Congress Authorizing his action. That is an Impeachable act! I had to write a paper on this subject in college but not over the Libyan issue. Got me an A too! Another noteworthy exception is if an ally is attacked. It is general principle that the president usually will get congressional blessing before acting on a treaty but usually that is one exception to the rule. By treaty we are supposed to respond. We are OBLIGED by treaty to retaliate if a nuke is used on an ally. Again Libya didn't attack anyone. The UN dragged us into a Libyan internal affair. Actually its not incorrect as I said maybe. |
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I think you are referring to Article 1 section 8 My bad. I should re-read before I write. When was that written becasue Korea has been going on since the 1950s making that a 60 year war so far. I believe the Constitution was written sometime before 1786. That part of Art I has never been amended, to my knowledge. And if I am correct Clinton ignored terrorists who ended up being hijackers in 9-11. Not surprisingly, your understanding is completely opposite of mine. I have seen tis claim referenced on Google on may blogs. My understanding is that Clinton's intelligence apparatus was obsessed with Al Quida and Osama Bin Laden as soon as their existence became known. On transition to the Bush team, they went to Condoleeza Rice to warn her that a major amount of her time was going to be spent worrying about terrorists. Dick Cheny created a task force on Terrorism that never met once. That is something that I cannot prove. I would only accept a source for your understanding that is more authoritative than a blog. I would expect that would be the same for you. What I read listed the high jackers by name and that they were affiliated with terrorism and they did not act on this information. |
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Things like this occur in a snowball effect, not in two or four years time. and Just as so----it will take a lot of time to repair. What I really want to know, when was gas $1.38 AGAIN? lol I dont really recall it being that cheap in years...not in Cali anyways.... early-mid 1990's |
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Edited by
jrbogie
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Fri 06/10/11 03:16 PM
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Did you know that Art 2, section 8 specifically prohibits the appropriation of funds for a war for any longer than 2 years? I think you are referring to Article 1 section 8 that states The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html in this you are indeed correct. says nothing about a limit of oppropriating funds for a war for two years. |
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I believe the Constitution was written sometime before 1786. That part of Art I has never been amended, to my knowledge. dead wrong yet again. the constitution, as written, was signed in 1787 and the ratification process lasted through 1788. it became effective in 1789 when the articles of confederation were abolished and the constitution was instituted. |
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I believe the Constitution was written sometime before 1786. That part of Art I has never been amended, to my knowledge. dead wrong yet again. the constitution, as written, was signed in 1787 and the ratification process lasted through 1788. it became effective in 1789. Boy! Do I ever have egg on my face! You sure got me on that one! |
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