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Topic: Love it or Leave it. It's our Country!
msharmony's photo
Sun 06/05/11 11:01 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 06/05/11 11:02 AM




ID say adapting to your host home seems reasonable. I dont think it is constitutional in america to discriminate against muslims though or to enforce any specific religion over another.




They are not forcing a religion. The specifically said we will respect your beliefs if you respect ours. They did say they are a Christian country. They are saying be whatever religion you want to for example don't complain that we have God in our schools. We don't care if you are offended.

That is totally different than making someone conform.


it totally depends upon whom she is referencing

if she is referencing ALL immigrants(including those who have LEGALLY become a part of the country or gained citizenship) , than Id say its FORCING them to accept the God thats in the schools THEY are contributing money to help run,,,,which is forcing them to pay for what they dont agree with just because they are a minority

it is a wrong thing to do to give people citizenship in a country and not give them a say in what goes on or to try to quiet them from speaking up on things they disagree with

I am glad that in america, EVERYONE is given a voice so if something is off balance, there is at least the opportunity to organize and to vote to change it,,, instead of just being told by the government to sit down and shut up


our constitution says our government has to STAY out of religion completely,,,neither ENDORSING or CONDEMNING it in any way, and I think thats a good thing


when you use EVERYONES tax money towards something, thats the government ENDORSING That thing,,,


That is flawed logic. By your logic everyone in America is forced to support the wars because their tax dollars pay for them. Guess that means you can't be anti war. Our money says "In God we Trust" and tax dollars pay for money. You don't have to accept everything 100%. I don't see anything wrong with not wanting to change for immigrants. They are just asking to accept the way things are. Feel free to come but don't complain. Obviously if you are moving there you are escaping something worse so count your blessings.



we are forced to support the wars, by being forced to PAY for them

support is not only emotional,,,support is sometimes financial
I dont emotionally support the wars, but FINANCIALLY, government supports them with our tax money

which it is not supposed to do, constitutionally, with religion

I dont think its in line with the constitution to just say don't complain. Sure there are many things to be thankful for in AMerica, but it is not PERFECT. ITs those people who stand up (not only to 'complain') to be a part of trying to make things BETTER That have brought us this far. I think isolating people who become legal citizens here or take part legally in our financial structure from feeling a right to be a part of that american custom is a near sighted and illogical move to make.

Chazster's photo
Sun 06/05/11 11:14 AM
Edited by Chazster on Sun 06/05/11 11:16 AM
Again "in God we trust" is on our money that the government pays to make. People complain too much. America has more babies than any other country. They have no tolerance at all.

The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.

If a school has God written somewhere that is not in violation of what our founding fathers wrote. There is no law dictating religion. It doesn't mean the government has to be free of all religion in every way. It just can't interfere with the practice of it. Sounds to me like writing God on your School is a free exercise of religion so if the government said you couldn't do it than that would be making a law and thus unconstitutional.

no photo
Sun 06/05/11 11:23 AM
Long distance relationships are void then.

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/05/11 11:45 AM

Again "in God we trust" is on our money that the government pays to make. People complain too much. America has more babies than any other country. They have no tolerance at all.

The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.

If a school has God written somewhere that is not in violation of what our founding fathers wrote. There is no law dictating religion. It doesn't mean the government has to be free of all religion in every way. It just can't interfere with the practice of it. Sounds to me like writing God on your School is a free exercise of religion so if the government said you couldn't do it than that would be making a law and thus unconstitutional.



there is a difference between PERSONAL expression (you PERSONALLY mentioning or writing God on your school would be fandalism though) is something different than GOVERNMENT expressions( a school building is GOVERNMENT financed property, so the SCHOOL having GOd on their wall would be financed by the GOVERNMENT and therefore establishing religion at the school)

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Sun 06/05/11 01:02 PM

Again "in God we trust" is on our money that the government pays to make. People complain too much. America has more babies than any other country. They have no tolerance at all.

The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.

If a school has God written somewhere that is not in violation of what our founding fathers wrote. There is no law dictating religion. It doesn't mean the government has to be free of all religion in every way. It just can't interfere with the practice of it. Sounds to me like writing God on your School is a free exercise of religion so if the government said you couldn't do it than that would be making a law and thus unconstitutional.

they took it off the money now... obama made a decision on that... the new one dollar coins do not have it on there anymore

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Sun 06/05/11 01:03 PM
Nothing wrong with monitoring Mosques and knowing where the money goes.

My preacher has to account, to the Gov., for every penny donated and every penny spent. He doesn't do that and he could lose his tax exempt status. If a Mosque is funding terrorism, I would want to know who to prosecute.

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Sun 06/05/11 01:06 PM

Again "in God we trust" is on our money that the government pays to make. People complain too much. America has more babies than any other country. They have no tolerance at all.

The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.

If a school has God written somewhere that is not in violation of what our founding fathers wrote. There is no law dictating religion. It doesn't mean the government has to be free of all religion in every way. It just can't interfere with the practice of it. Sounds to me like writing God on your School is a free exercise of religion so if the government said you couldn't do it than that would be making a law and thus unconstitutional.

That same money also features masonic and illuminati symbols. :wink:

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/05/11 01:06 PM


Again "in God we trust" is on our money that the government pays to make. People complain too much. America has more babies than any other country. They have no tolerance at all.

The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.

If a school has God written somewhere that is not in violation of what our founding fathers wrote. There is no law dictating religion. It doesn't mean the government has to be free of all religion in every way. It just can't interfere with the practice of it. Sounds to me like writing God on your School is a free exercise of religion so if the government said you couldn't do it than that would be making a law and thus unconstitutional.

they took it off the money now... obama made a decision on that... the new one dollar coins do not have it on there anymore



either you are joking or you are gullible

please tell me you arent that gullible....lol

mightymoe's photo
Sun 06/05/11 01:19 PM



Again "in God we trust" is on our money that the government pays to make. People complain too much. America has more babies than any other country. They have no tolerance at all.

The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.

If a school has God written somewhere that is not in violation of what our founding fathers wrote. There is no law dictating religion. It doesn't mean the government has to be free of all religion in every way. It just can't interfere with the practice of it. Sounds to me like writing God on your School is a free exercise of religion so if the government said you couldn't do it than that would be making a law and thus unconstitutional.

they took it off the money now... obama made a decision on that... the new one dollar coins do not have it on there anymore



either you are joking or you are gullible

please tell me you arent that gullible....lol


lol...

Chazster's photo
Sun 06/05/11 03:06 PM
The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.


there is a difference between PERSONAL expression (you PERSONALLY mentioning or writing God on your school would be fandalism though) is something different than GOVERNMENT expressions( a school building is GOVERNMENT financed property, so the SCHOOL having GOd on their wall would be financed by the GOVERNMENT and therefore establishing religion at the school)


Again you didnt read what the founding fathers wrote. They didn't say the government couldn't have any association with religion.

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/05/11 03:16 PM

The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.


there is a difference between PERSONAL expression (you PERSONALLY mentioning or writing God on your school would be fandalism though) is something different than GOVERNMENT expressions( a school building is GOVERNMENT financed property, so the SCHOOL having GOd on their wall would be financed by the GOVERNMENT and therefore establishing religion at the school)


Again you didnt read what the founding fathers wrote. They didn't say the government couldn't have any association with religion.




RESPECTING or PROHIBITING,,,,,opposites,, meaning neither giving support to or restricting


putting it on a FEDERAL building is GIVING SUPPORT to it

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