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Topic: So much for "Equality"!
boredinaz06's photo
Fri 06/03/11 09:58 AM
A federal judge ruled Thursday that a gay softball league can limit the number of heterosexuals on its teams, the Courthouse News Service reports.

The ruling was announced after three bisexual men claimed they were kicked out of the Gay Softball World Series for not being gay enough and filed a lawsuit in Washington state against the North American Gay Amateur Athletic Association.

The three men, playing for a San Francisco softball team, were challenged on their sexuality by a rival team, citing a rule that limits no more than two heterosexuals on a team.

The men claim they were "summoned to a hearing room to answer questions about their sexual interests or attractions," according to the Courthouse News Service.

The men said they were told that "this is the Gay World Series, not the Bisexual World Series."

U.S. District Court Judge John Coughenour struck down the lawsuit.

"Plaintiffs have failed to argue that there is a compelling state interest in allowing heterosexuals to play gay softball," Coughenour wrote, according to the Courthouse News Service.

"It is not the role of the courts to scrutinize the content of an organization's chosen expression."

The judge did rule the association failed to prove it should not be subjected to public-accommodation laws.

A trial date has been set for Aug. 1.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/06/03/judge-rules-gay-league-can-limit-number-heterosexual-players/#ixzz1OEVfp7Mp

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/03/11 10:38 AM
Come on man, GAY SOFTBALL LEAGUE

didnt give them a clue..?laugh laugh

its not a federally funded league is it? We have Womens basketball and mens basketball, why would this be any different.

IF those are the guidelines of the league, so be it. There are plenty of leagues out there.

Equal does not have to mean EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE IT or EVERYBODY SHOULD DO IT,, it means EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY

they have the opportunity to start their own league, not force someone elses league to accept them into it,,,,, UNLESS ITS STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDED and then the taxpayers there get to say what those guidelines will be

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 06/03/11 02:47 PM



Are you kidding me? ITS SAN FRANCISCO! If a straight league did this they would drug through the streets and crucified.

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/03/11 03:00 PM




Are you kidding me? ITS SAN FRANCISCO! If a straight league did this they would drug through the streets and crucified.


its san francisco,,lol,, thats even funnier
laugh laugh laugh


in the GAY capital of america , they joined a GAY league and were surprised they werent welcomed when they werent GAY...lol


they have every right to start a BISEXUAL or HETEROSEXUAL league of their own, even if its in a gay mecca

but seriously, its called a GAY LEAGUE, which implies the majority population there consent to the 'division', much like we consent to the distinction between the NBA and the WNBA


mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/03/11 03:14 PM
then we can have a straight softball league? and can limit the number of gays?

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/03/11 03:20 PM

then we can have a straight softball league? and can limit the number of gays?



if the majority agree to,, sure,,

mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/03/11 03:31 PM
sooooo..... basically what the gays are saying here is that they do not want straights around, is that what i am hearing? when we don't want gays around, it is called discrimination... but it is ok when gays do it, but not straights?.... i must be missing something, because all gays say is that they want equal rights... does that sound equal to anyone else?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/03/11 03:36 PM
damn... there is never a gay around when you need one...

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/03/11 03:44 PM

sooooo..... basically what the gays are saying here is that they do not want straights around, is that what i am hearing? when we don't want gays around, it is called discrimination... but it is ok when gays do it, but not straights?.... i must be missing something, because all gays say is that they want equal rights... does that sound equal to anyone else?



IM sure , as a bisexual, Im probably speaking out of turn here,,,lol

but , if you are talkling about a community LEAGUE , organized by and for that COMMUNITY, I think restricting membership to the community is not unreasonable

if you are talking about GOVERNMENT funded business, organizations, locations,, than such restrictions become illegally discriminatory...

mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/03/11 03:49 PM


sooooo..... basically what the gays are saying here is that they do not want straights around, is that what i am hearing? when we don't want gays around, it is called discrimination... but it is ok when gays do it, but not straights?.... i must be missing something, because all gays say is that they want equal rights... does that sound equal to anyone else?



IM sure , as a bisexual, Im probably speaking out of turn here,,,lol

but , if you are talkling about a community LEAGUE , organized by and for that COMMUNITY, I think restricting membership to the community is not unreasonable

if you are talking about GOVERNMENT funded business, organizations, locations,, than such restrictions become illegally discriminatory...


no, discrimination is discrimination, with or with government involvement... thats why there are no "white" events, while there are plenty of "black" events... the difference is no matter what it is called, anyone from any race can still attend... but not so with gays, huh... if thats the case, then no gays allowed at my functions from now on... see how that goes over...

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/03/11 06:04 PM



sooooo..... basically what the gays are saying here is that they do not want straights around, is that what i am hearing? when we don't want gays around, it is called discrimination... but it is ok when gays do it, but not straights?.... i must be missing something, because all gays say is that they want equal rights... does that sound equal to anyone else?



IM sure , as a bisexual, Im probably speaking out of turn here,,,lol

but , if you are talkling about a community LEAGUE , organized by and for that COMMUNITY, I think restricting membership to the community is not unreasonable

if you are talking about GOVERNMENT funded business, organizations, locations,, than such restrictions become illegally discriminatory...


no, discrimination is discrimination, with or with government involvement... thats why there are no "white" events, while there are plenty of "black" events... the difference is no matter what it is called, anyone from any race can still attend... but not so with gays, huh... if thats the case, then no gays allowed at my functions from now on... see how that goes over...


actually, you have every right do do that in this country, as long as your 'event' has no ties to government money,,,


thre are all types of discrimination in the world and in our lives, we must use some level of discrimination in our decisions,

but I was mainly speaking of ILLEGAL discrimination, discriminating who will come in your home is not illegal, nor is discriminating who can play on your team, or your league,,etc,,,

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 06/03/11 06:32 PM


Look, you can play devils advocate all night long but at the end of the day we all know that if a community (straight) league denied gays they would march and demand their equal rights.

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/03/11 06:40 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/03/11 06:42 PM



Look, you can play devils advocate all night long but at the end of the day we all know that if a community (straight) league denied gays they would march and demand their equal rights.



it isnt a RIGHT if it isnt a matter tied to the GOvERNMENT, who people choose to personally associate with or play games with is their RIGHT to decide , not others RIGHT to decide for them,,,

Im not playing devils advocate, I just want some choices(like who we have in our personal life) to remain personal and not become a LITIGIOUS matter

ir could be argued because the MAJORITY of leagues are already STRAIGHT , that for those people who traditionally werent INVITED to play the game to set up their OWN game is more a reaction to discrimination than an act of overt discrimination in and of itself,,,

mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/03/11 06:59 PM




Look, you can play devils advocate all night long but at the end of the day we all know that if a community (straight) league denied gays they would march and demand their equal rights.



it isnt a RIGHT if it isnt a matter tied to the GOvERNMENT, who people choose to personally associate with or play games with is their RIGHT to decide , not others RIGHT to decide for them,,,

Im not playing devils advocate, I just want some choices(like who we have in our personal life) to remain personal and not become a LITIGIOUS matter

ir could be argued because the MAJORITY of leagues are already STRAIGHT , that for those people who traditionally werent INVITED to play the game to set up their OWN game is more a reaction to discrimination than an act of overt discrimination in and of itself,,,


your wrong, plain and simple... thats why the exclusive "mens club" has to let women in, whites only has to let others in, blacks have to let in other races, and we have to accept gays... but gays don't have to accept us.... that judge should be fired, he is violating the anti-discrimination laws, as are the gays

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/03/11 07:02 PM





Look, you can play devils advocate all night long but at the end of the day we all know that if a community (straight) league denied gays they would march and demand their equal rights.



it isnt a RIGHT if it isnt a matter tied to the GOvERNMENT, who people choose to personally associate with or play games with is their RIGHT to decide , not others RIGHT to decide for them,,,

Im not playing devils advocate, I just want some choices(like who we have in our personal life) to remain personal and not become a LITIGIOUS matter

ir could be argued because the MAJORITY of leagues are already STRAIGHT , that for those people who traditionally werent INVITED to play the game to set up their OWN game is more a reaction to discrimination than an act of overt discrimination in and of itself,,,


your wrong, plain and simple... thats why the exclusive "mens club" has to let women in, whites only has to let others in, blacks have to let in other races, and we have to accept gays... but gays don't have to accept us.... that judge should be fired, he is violating the anti-discrimination laws, as are the gays


no, no, no,, a MENS CLUB(if you are referring to a business) gets certain TAX perks and TAX money which makes them OBLIGED to certain anti discriminatory government LAWS

the same is true with ANY entity tied to GOVERNMENT FUNDS

if its not tied to GOVERNMENT Funds, discrimination is perfectly legal

I can decide not to let men in my home, IF I have a club that I organize with other women and we all pay our own way for events and pitch in for the locations together, we have every right to decide the guidelines of who the club will be for and who wont be allowed

there is no anti discrimination law concerning our PERSONAL choices and lives, just when it begins to be about BUSINESS< EDUCATION, or EMPLOYMENT which are tied into FEDERAL LAWS because they are tied into FEDERAL MONEY

mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/03/11 07:09 PM






Look, you can play devils advocate all night long but at the end of the day we all know that if a community (straight) league denied gays they would march and demand their equal rights.



it isnt a RIGHT if it isnt a matter tied to the GOvERNMENT, who people choose to personally associate with or play games with is their RIGHT to decide , not others RIGHT to decide for them,,,

Im not playing devils advocate, I just want some choices(like who we have in our personal life) to remain personal and not become a LITIGIOUS matter

ir could be argued because the MAJORITY of leagues are already STRAIGHT , that for those people who traditionally werent INVITED to play the game to set up their OWN game is more a reaction to discrimination than an act of overt discrimination in and of itself,,,


your wrong, plain and simple... thats why the exclusive "mens club" has to let women in, whites only has to let others in, blacks have to let in other races, and we have to accept gays... but gays don't have to accept us.... that judge should be fired, he is violating the anti-discrimination laws, as are the gays


no, no, no,, a MENS CLUB(if you are referring to a business) gets certain TAX perks and TAX money which makes them OBLIGED to certain anti discriminatory government LAWS

the same is true with ANY entity tied to GOVERNMENT FUNDS

if its not tied to GOVERNMENT Funds, discrimination is perfectly legal

I can decide not to let men in my home, IF I have a club that I organize with other women and we all pay our own way for events and pitch in for the locations together, we have every right to decide the guidelines of who the club will be for and who wont be allowed

there is no anti discrimination law concerning our PERSONAL choices and lives, just when it begins to be about BUSINESS< EDUCATION, or EMPLOYMENT which are tied into FEDERAL LAWS because they are tied into FEDERAL MONEY


your usually at least half right all the time, but your not even close here...

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/03/11 07:11 PM







Look, you can play devils advocate all night long but at the end of the day we all know that if a community (straight) league denied gays they would march and demand their equal rights.



it isnt a RIGHT if it isnt a matter tied to the GOvERNMENT, who people choose to personally associate with or play games with is their RIGHT to decide , not others RIGHT to decide for them,,,

Im not playing devils advocate, I just want some choices(like who we have in our personal life) to remain personal and not become a LITIGIOUS matter

ir could be argued because the MAJORITY of leagues are already STRAIGHT , that for those people who traditionally werent INVITED to play the game to set up their OWN game is more a reaction to discrimination than an act of overt discrimination in and of itself,,,


your wrong, plain and simple... thats why the exclusive "mens club" has to let women in, whites only has to let others in, blacks have to let in other races, and we have to accept gays... but gays don't have to accept us.... that judge should be fired, he is violating the anti-discrimination laws, as are the gays


no, no, no,, a MENS CLUB(if you are referring to a business) gets certain TAX perks and TAX money which makes them OBLIGED to certain anti discriminatory government LAWS

the same is true with ANY entity tied to GOVERNMENT FUNDS

if its not tied to GOVERNMENT Funds, discrimination is perfectly legal

I can decide not to let men in my home, IF I have a club that I organize with other women and we all pay our own way for events and pitch in for the locations together, we have every right to decide the guidelines of who the club will be for and who wont be allowed

there is no anti discrimination law concerning our PERSONAL choices and lives, just when it begins to be about BUSINESS< EDUCATION, or EMPLOYMENT which are tied into FEDERAL LAWS because they are tied into FEDERAL MONEY


your usually at least half right all the time, but your not even close here...


lol,, there is no federal law governing COMMUNITY events,,,

no photo
Fri 06/03/11 08:04 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 06/03/11 08:07 PM





Look, you can play devils advocate all night long but at the end of the day we all know that if a community (straight) league denied gays they would march and demand their equal rights.



it isnt a RIGHT if it isnt a matter tied to the GOvERNMENT, who people choose to personally associate with or play games with is their RIGHT to decide , not others RIGHT to decide for them,,,

Im not playing devils advocate, I just want some choices(like who we have in our personal life) to remain personal and not become a LITIGIOUS matter

ir could be argued because the MAJORITY of leagues are already STRAIGHT , that for those people who traditionally werent INVITED to play the game to set up their OWN game is more a reaction to discrimination than an act of overt discrimination in and of itself,,,


your wrong, plain and simple... thats why the exclusive "mens club" has to let women in, whites only has to let others in, blacks have to let in other races, and we have to accept gays... but gays don't have to accept us.... that judge should be fired, he is violating the anti-discrimination laws, as are the gays


mightymoe, I have to agree with you.

But first I want to ask what the hell has sexual orientation have to do with baseball or softball?

To start a "gay" league is fine and sounds really fun, but to get so serious about it that you don't allow bi-sexuals to be on it is utterly ridiculous. You should even allow straits on it if they want.

I mean, this is a ball game not an orgy. Who cares who is screwing who? geeeeze.

And yes, a private men's club, as a corporation, might be made to allow women in. A totally private club probably does not have to do that, but it would not be registered as a legal entity.

Any legal entity or corporation is part of the larger "corporation" and is subject to the corporation of the city or state they are in. Those are called "laws" but they are really simply corporate mandates.

So if the ball club is a corporation, a legal entity, it might have to comply. If it is just a bunch of guys playing ball, they don't have to.

Another good reason to keep the damn government out of your business and fun.






yellowrose10's photo
Fri 06/03/11 08:13 PM

Created in 1977, the North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance (NAGAAA) is a 501c(3) organization that promotes amateur sports competition, particularly softball, for all persons regardless of age, sexual orientation or preference, with special emphasis on the participation of members of the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) community: and to otherwise foster national and international sports competition by planning, promoting and carrying out amateur sports competition.

NAGAAA's current membership includes over 680 teams from 37 leagues throughout the United States and Canada. Teams representing these leagues participate annually in NAGAAA's Gay Softball World Series (GSWS), hosted each year by a different member city.


http://www.nagaaasoftball.org/

501c(3) are tax exemptions for organizations and corporations.

http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=96099,00.html

So it seems to me that the government IS a part of this group to give them tax deductions.

Logically, it's not just a group of friends playing softball with each other. They should follow the same discrimination laws as other organizations or corporations

no photo
Fri 06/03/11 08:25 PM
Created in 1977, the North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance (NAGAAA) is a 501c(3) organization that promotes amateur sports competition, particularly softball, for all persons regardless of age, sexual orientation or preference, with special emphasis on the participation of members of the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) community: and to otherwise foster national and international sports competition by planning, promoting and carrying out amateur sports competition.


According to that, they basically have to let straits on the team too.

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