No, a selfless act is giving your life up for someone not raising a child. Yeah; I see some great parents out there. They can't provide food, clothing, or a proper education for them and are constantly asking for handouts to help support their kids. Lets not forget those wonderful parents that abuse kids or can't be bothered to superivise them as they are running around the neighborhood at night.

Let me quote your own words; "I do think men who have never been married and or have no children may tend to be selfish, not use to making sacrifices.
Yes, it's a generalization...obviously is not the case for all. Something along those lines for your preference?"

That sounds like you are condemning single men to me.

occasional charity is not really giving your 'life' up

but charity can be a selfless act, for whatever cause,,,,


I would consider it selfish of myself(is that allowed?) to expect from someone who has yet embarked on parenthood for themself to become parents to my kids

I know that whomever I partner with , however, will be expected to be a parenting partner as well,, so I would choose to partner with someone who had already decided upon a parenting role for THEMSELF

but I dont think its selfish to not have kids

and I dont think its selfish to have kids, unless one has them to prove themself a 'good parent' or just to prove they can do it well, or to collect that child support check,,,

i'm a single father,any takers?

seriously i am,no joke

the word 'may' is in the first paragraph...
seems you completely overlooked the second all together

i love 2 men...
one never married, no kids
one divorced, no kids

hardly condemnation....

Hmmm well as a single mum I love my children madly and wouldnt swap them for anything.

Really I guess woman and men without children could be called selfish, and so can women and men with children, there are wonderful people without and with and selfish people without and with.

You stay selfish whether you have children or not.

And really a lot of people with children didnt plan them, this can especially be said for men.

So there its all settled, there are lots of selfish people in the world and lots of unselfish, children make absolutely no difference to that.

man i try to hijack a thread about any women interested in me for being a single father,now it turns into a quote dispute not even about me...i can't even be an Attention whore correctly...wtf?

oh sorry

Oooooooo a single dad...

oh it's to late now,the thrill is gone,kapoof,nada,i have failed as an attention whore

Lmao ............

gawd, you single dads, just NO pleasing ya!!!!! : )~

I agree. Its difficult for a single person to suddenly become a parent which is what I meant to say earlier in my post. I just think another single parent would be better match as they would be more understanding; but that being said I realize some people are up to the challenge of becoming an instant step parent. I have seen plenty of parents who should not be parents as they truly can't handle the responsibilty of being a parent. What I meant by giving your life up was not occassional charity but death. There are people that sacrifice their lives for the sake of others; to save lives which is truly the most selfless act that anyone can ever do and nothing can be compared to that. There are people that have dedicated their lives to helping others; some are paid and others aren't. Look at someone like Mother Teresa for example. She is truly a selfless woman. I also agree that I have never thought a person that did not have children was selfish; it was just a choice and nothing more. I just hate when people would call someone selfish for not raising children. I know I would have been a lousy mom which is why I never had kids. My parents are a prime example of poor parenting as we should have been removed from their care. They couldn't provide for us and were very abusive. My friend who is a school teacher in one of our poorest district sees how poorly children are cared for and has called child welfare numerous times. Its sad but there are way too many people out there that should not be parents.

You said it the best!!!

My apologies for taking away your attention. It just burns me when parents bring up the word "selfish" for people that chose not to have kids. I heard it way to0 many times on the dating sites. Hope you find yourself a gal. Cheers.

thanks,but your selfish for intruding on my effort to be a attention whore.... jk.

Oh well, guess the other posters are right. I am selfish.

your not selfish it's your preference

I never thought of you as selfish navygirl. people choose different paths to dedication and commitment to the common good of humanity

some teach
some raise kids
some farm
some build houses to live in
and some learn to fight and defend us with their own bodies at risk so that the rest of us can do the above...thank you navygirl

Oh as far as single fathers???? what's to discuss? they're men aren't they?