Laryngitis. Of Biblical proportions.

What passes for you as a thousand years, is a blink of an eye to god.

So there is still quite a long time before His voice comes back.

I may have said there was one God. I tend to make that mistake speaking with people that are lacking of the Christian faith. When he is referred to as "god" that is a secular term for our father, so we all know exactly we are talking about. There is but ONE father, ONE creator, ONE ruler, that is GOD our FATHER who art in heaven.

Psalm 82:1

1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
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Psalm 82:6-7 (King James Version)

6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

By the way this is technically a grammatical error in the King James Bible.

It should have been written:

John 10:34
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, "I said, Ye are gods"?

With quotes around "I said, Ye are gods".

The reason being, that without those quotes it appears that Jesus himself is claiming to have said this.

But obviously that's not what was meant. If you look up that verse in psalms it actually states in psalms, "I said, Ye are gods".

Jesus was merely trying to point out that even the Torah itself supports the pantheistic view. Therefore there would be nothing blasphemous about anyone claiming to be the "son of God".

In fact, Jesus' actual reference to this particular verse shows that Jesus was not claiming to be anything special. When he claimed to be one with the Father he meant that we are all one with the Father. When he claimed to be the son of God, he meant that we are all children of God equally.

Jesus was clearly supporting a pantheistic view of God and attempting to use whatever scriptures from the Torah that he could find that would support his view on this.

Jesus is special, Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN child of God. With the creation of Jesus, no man was used in the process. God our father impregnated Marry, God is literally Jesus' father in every way. The only way for God to be one's father, they must accept Jesus as lord and savior. Jesus is the path to God, no one comes to God but through Jesus Christ.

That's your own personal rhetoric.

This flies in the very face of the verse we were just discussing.

John 10:34
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, "I said, Ye are gods"?

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Clearly Psalms disagrees with you.

And Jesus disagrees with you as well.

You'll have to start your own religion if you want to make things up.

What does any of that have to do with one another?

1. I said Jesus is the only way to God.
2. You state a verse about us being gods.

Notice, gods is PLURAL, not possessive. Jesus said is it not written in your law ye are gods. In the their laws "the old testament" it says specifically that we are gods and children of the most high. And what does that have anything to do with getting to God our father in heaven? And just because we are children of God, doesn't mean we deserve the gift of eternal life. Eternal life is a GIFT, it's not just given to every child.

Already went thru this before with you , Cowboy:

God did NOT create Jesus.

Jesus was the WORD, right from the beginning...he was BORN

fully man and FULLY God, NOT CREATED!!!



(John 1:1-3 )In the beginning was the WORD ,

and the Word was

WITH God, and the WORD WAS God.

“All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not

even one thing came into existence.”


Cowboy,If all things came into

existence THROUGH Jesus(THE WORD), He could

NOT have been created THEN, BECAUSE HE ALWAYS WAS....

RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.

HE STEPPED DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND WAS BORN OF THE VIRGIN

MARY..YES.......BUT WAS NOT "CREATED" BY GOD.

HE...ALWAYS....WAS.

.......


Isaiah 9:6 “For there has been a child born to us, there

has been a

SON GIVEN to us, and the princely rule will come to be upon his

shoulder. And his name will be called

Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”

.........

Jesus himself affirmed his eternal existence, when he said to the

Jews: “Before Abraham was born, I AM” (Jn. 8:58)



You are teaching Arianism , not Christianity here,

Cowboy.
IF you wish to teach arianism ,fine.....but don't

misrepresent scripture on her and then call it christianity.

http://www.gotquestions.org/arianism.html


http://www.gotquestions.org/witnessing-Jehovahs-Witnesses.html

No I am not lol. Just mistaken on what I said. "Jesus" was created. Jesus was born from Marry. "The word" has always been, it was not created. When the word became "Jesus" in the exact form, "Jesus" was created. Yes, they are the same entity, just different forms. One is flesh and blood which whom was born by Marry and God our father of course, as Jesus is our father's only "begotten" child.

I know Jehovah Witnesses(Arianism) believe as you, that God

created Jesus.

If that is what you believe.......that's your perogative...

but This belief of yours, is NOT what Christianity teaches,

Cowboy.

AT ALL.

AT LEAST ALL CHRISTIANS DO AGREE , THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE JESUS.

IN OTHER WORDS.....

ALL CHRISTIANS DO ABSOLUTELY AGREE ,ON -THE -BASIC - CORE-

BELIEFS!!!!


IN OTHER WORDS...

ALL CHRISTIANS DO NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE TEACHING ON HERE .



Not judging your beliefs, but I do not like having to

watch the bible being constantly misrepresented on here.


Jesus is NOT just God's child.

Jesus is God Almighty....equally God right along with the Father

and Holy Spirit.

Yes....3 separate persons but yet still ONE GOD ...but all 3

persons are equally God.


Again...Jesus was NOT created.

Study the bible more before representing it on here.


Errors are NOT what the world needs to see.


Get it right , or don't post here.

I will not say anymore.

No worries, Christianity isn't being misrepresented here.

Isaiah 7:14

14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Notice, shall "conceive". When a child is conceived it is born, when a child is born it is created. Again, yes "The word" was with God in the beginning. But God made the word flesh which resulted in Jesus. When God made the word flesh he created a new being and with the new being "created" we have the birth of Jesus Christ our lord and savior.

*Just wanted to say before someone might get "irritated, upset, or frustrated" I'm not arguing or debating, just possibly learning or teaching.*

Isaiah 9:6

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Goes a little deeper into exactly who we're talking about. Also again, notice "a child is born". When a child is born, he/she is created.

Cowboy, you said before, that you do not believe

that the Father ,Son ,and Holy Spirit are equally God.

You said Jesus is god, just as you are god.

Not GOD ALMIGHTY.

Remember?

This is why I am sharing this article, to let you know that

what you beleive is not christianity.

Just thought you might not be aware of the fact, that

christians do not support that kind of belief.



Cowboy....Jesus was FULLY GOD as well as FULLY MAN.

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Question: "What is Arianism?"

Answer: Arianism is named for Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D. One of the earliest and probably the most important item of debate among early Christians was the subject of Christ’s deity. Was Jesus truly God in the flesh or was Jesus a created being? Was Jesus God or just like God? Arius held that Jesus was created by God as the first act of creation, that Jesus was the crowning glory of all creation. Arianism, then, is the view that Jesus was a created being with divine attributes, but was not divine in and of Himself.

Arianism misunderstands references to Jesus’ being tired (John 4:6) and not knowing the date of His return (Matthew 24:36). Yes, it is difficult to understand how God could be tired and/or not know something, but relegating Jesus to a created being is not the answer. Jesus was fully God, but He was also fully human. Jesus did not become a human being until the incarnation. Therefore, Jesus’ limitations as a human being have no impact on His divine nature or eternality.

A second major misinterpretation in Arianism is the meaning of “firstborn” (Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15-20). Arians understand “firstborn” in these verses to mean that Jesus was “born” or “created” as the first act of creation. This is not the case. Jesus Himself proclaimed His self-existence and eternality (John 8:58; 10:30). John 1:1-2 tells us that Jesus was “in the beginning with God.” In Bible times, the firstborn son of a family was held in great honor (Genesis 49:3; Exodus 11:5; 34:19; Numbers 3:40; Psalm 89:27; Jeremiah 31:9). It is in this sense that Jesus is God’s firstborn. Jesus is the preeminent member of God’s family. Jesus is the anointed one, the “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

After nearly a century of debate at various early church councils, the Christian church officially denounced Arianism as a false doctrine. Since that time, Arianism has never been accepted as a viable doctrine of the Christian faith. Arianism has not died, however. Arianism has continued throughout the centuries in varying forms. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons of today hold a very Arian-like position on Christ’s nature. Just as the early church did, we must denounce any and all attacks on the deity of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

If Jesus is God in the flesh, he is a liar then. Cause it would not be his son if he was the one on the cross, it would be him.

Matthew 3:17

17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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And yes I know Jesus and God are one. But again, that doesn't mean they are one entity. That doesn't mean Jesus is our father.
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21In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
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Was Jesus speaking to himself?
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Not to drag out a long old "debate" amongst people. I just have a very hard time comprehending the "trinity". I don't see how Jesus, our Father, and the Holy Ghost are all one exact entity. Yes, they are one. But not one entity.

Cowboy....The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One God...

ONE GOD consisting of 3 separate entities or persons.

3 persons in One God.


Now....While on earth Jesus was equally God and equally man,

but even so , he was still obedient to the

Father while on earth( also an example for us to

follow ,btw)..but Jesus is now back with the Father..

not only that , but the Father has GIVEN



ALL POWER AND GLORY TO JESUS NOW ,

because of what Jesus did on that cross.


Once more as stated some time before:

God the Father is not God the Son, and the God the Son is not God

the Father.....

just as God the Son is not God the Holy Spirit

and God the Holy Spirit is not God the Son or God the

Father...

all 3 in the ONE Godhead are distinct separate persons....but

yet, all 3 still make up ONE GOD.

They are all 3 distinct entities or persons, but ONE GODHEAD.


All 3 distinct persons still making up only ONE GOD.


Each person in the Godhead has a distinct function......but

all 3 in One are still EQUALLY GOD....

cause there is ONLY ONE GOD.



Also..notice in John chapter 1.....THE VERY FIRST THING

MENTIONED ....WAS...THE...WORD.


"In the beginning Was the WORD ,

and the Word Was WITH God,

and the Word WAS God."{john1:1)


"And the WORD BECAME FLESH and DWELT AMONG US......"(john 1:14)

Someone tell Jesus to move over!

We have a NEW MESSIAH!

Are you blind Cowboy?

Everyone has been showing you that these scriptures are riddled with contradictions from front cover to back cover on just about every page in between.

I've already shown you billions of them that you continually live in denial of them.


Matt.10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

John.5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

Luke.23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do


Trying to appeal to logic and verbatim scriptures is IMPOSSIBLE.

In the above set of verses we have the following"

1. Jesus claims that he will deny those who deny him.
2. The Father judgeth no man, all judgment has been committed to the son.

Then in his dying breath on the cross he violates both of these things. He forgives those who deny him and appeals to the "Father" to forgive them.

He would be going back on his OWN WORD by forgiving them. And you can't have Jesus being the WORD made flesh yet unworthy of being kept! He can't say one thing and do another and be said to be the "WORD" made flesh. That's an absurd contradiction.

Moreover, if Jesus was made the Judge of all mankind then he would have no reason to ask the Father to forgive these people.

Also, even if it was still God's job to judge people it would make no sense for Jesus to be asking God to forgive them and giving reasons why he feels they should be forgiven. That would imply that even Jesus himself didn't TRUST the Father's judgment to be FAIR and JUST.

So these fables are literally RIDDLED with absurdities and contradictions.

You're just trying to twist the tongue of Jesus to support your own version of RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY.

That's all it amounts to Cowboy.

You don't represent Christianity. You MOCK it even WORSE than me because you PRETEND to be speaking for Jesus!

At least I speak for myself!

You have such a grip on the tongue of Jesus that if it were a physical grip instead of a metaphorical one you would have ripped his tongue clean out of his mouth by now.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone in my entire life abuse Jesus with such arrogance as you do.

The only bright spot for the religion is that I'm quite sure that nobody associates your views with Christianity. Neither believers, nor non-believers.

Nobody takes you seriously Cowboy, on either side of the issue.

I don't blame MorningSong. If I were still a Christian I'd renounce your views as well, and try to set you straight.

I totally agree with MorningSong. You are not a good representation of the religion by any stretch of the imagination.

I've always wished that a truly wonderful evangelist would come by these forums someday and represent the religion correctly. I've never seen that yet.

But negative Paper Popes like yourself?

They're a penny a hundred.

Cowboy....conceive does NOT mean CREATE .....

conceive means bore(born)



The Bible says Jesus was BORN of the Virgin Mary....

The Bible does not say Jesus was created in the Virgin Mary.

The meaning of the 2 words is not the same, especially when

used to

twist actual scriptural meaning.


The whole point is, you say you don't accept the deity of Jesus....

while ALL Christians DO accept the deity of Jesus.

That is the main issue here..

Your belief does not line up with the bible ,

which is what christianity represents,

which you say you also represent on here.

Not so.

If you want to believe as you do, fine..just don't call it

christianity.

Eternal life is not given to every child?

That statement is NOT from the bible, Cowboy.



Also....you wrote:

If Jesus is God in the flesh, he is a liar then. Cause it would not be his son if he was the one on the cross, it would be him.

COWBOY....THAT WAS GOD HIMSELF ON THE CROSS ....

AGAIN, ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS OBEDIENT TO THE FATHER WHILE ON THE EARTH,

HE STILL WAS FULLY GOD AS WELL AS FULLY MAN.

HE WAS STILL GOD.

IT WAS GOD WHO TOOK OUR PLACE ON THE CROSS.

GOD HIMSELF WHO BECAME MAN.

I love it!

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Seriously though, I agree with MorningSong on the Jesus issues. Jesus had to be 100% God, as well as 100% mortal man simultaneously.

In fact, it is for this very reason that Christians do not consider Jesus to be a mere "demigod". Jesus was not merely the half-breed son of a God, he was indeed the full-blown incarnation of God.

That's what I was taught as well. And there are many verses that can be pointed to that support that notion. Not the least of which is Jesus saying that "Before Abraham was, I AM".

Personally I see that as the pantheistic view of a Buddhist, but that's a whole other story.

Jesus and God are ONE in in the biblical fables. It really doesn't matter whether a person believes the stories or not. The stories are the same whether they are believed or not.

Although, having said that, we all know that everyone comes away from these stories with a totally different belief. For example, neither the Jews not the Muslims believe that Jesus was anything more than a mere prophet at best. So there are tons of different beliefs. None of which could be claimed to be "The Belief" because there is no such thing as "The Belief" except in the mind of individuals.

Everyone knows what I believe.

I believe the Old Testament was total mythological fables. Jesus was a pantheistic Jewish Mahayana Buddhist, and the New Testament is the result of extremely superstitious and exaggerated rumors, and probably even purposeful religious deceit for the purpose of creating a psychological brainwashing religion based on fear and superstition.

That's my "Christian Belief".