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Topic: Extreme Happenings
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Fri 04/22/11 06:07 PM
Edited by greeneyeman on Fri 04/22/11 06:14 PM
Imagination at its best or worst...however you will take it!


1st Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow the entire population of the world decided to become Atheist. It just happens and everyone agrees there are no gods. Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!

2nd Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow morning the entire population of the world decided to become Christians. Christians in that sense of one denomination only. Would it be a good thing or bad? Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!


Also consider that as an option that the world could be the same as it is today even if the world's population agreed on a belief system.

Take a moment and contemplate on the questions. :)


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Fri 04/22/11 06:28 PM

Imagination at its best or worst...however you will take it!


1st Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow the entire population of the world decided to become Atheist. It just happens and everyone agrees there are no gods. Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!

2nd Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow morning the entire population of the world decided to become Christians. Christians in that sense of one denomination only. Would it be a good thing or bad? Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!


Also consider that as an option that the world could be the same as it is today even if the world's population agreed on a belief system.

Take a moment and contemplate on the questions. :)





IF everyone decided there was noone greater than themself, I think we would see more chaos and greed.


IF everyone decided to become Christians, the answer varies. If , by christian, we mean CHRIST LIKE,,,then I imagine it would be quite peaceful and lovely. If, by christian, we mean professing to be christ like,,,,I dont think a thing would change because people would still find other reasons to do or not do what they wanted to do or not do, which can be anything from adultery to murder.

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Fri 04/22/11 06:31 PM

Imagination at its best or worst...however you will take it!


1st Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow the entire population of the world decided to become Atheist. It just happens and everyone agrees there are no gods. Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!


Well, I'm a pessimist at heart, my experiences have shown that my instincts of human nature ave been mostly correct...
Look up scientific studies of "determinalism", regarding cheating and lying...




2nd Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow morning the entire population of the world decided to become Christians. Christians in that sense of one denomination only. Would it be a good thing or bad? Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!



It would depend on the denomination really, there are very few that I agree with, yet I consider myself a Christian...



Also consider that as an option that the world could be the same as it is today even if the world's population agreed on a belief system.

Take a moment and contemplate on the questions. :)




The scriptures actually say that one day, this scenario will actually happen. When it does, we will be under the "New Covenant".




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Fri 04/22/11 06:35 PM

Also consider that as an option that the world could be the same as it is today even if the world's population agreed on a belief system.

Take a moment and contemplate on the questions. :)


It's difficult for me to do this based on what you've just stated above. How could the world "be the same" as it is today if the entire world's population agreed on a single belief system? That single fact alone would change things dramatically.

Please note also: I'm going to assume here that people truly are of ONE BELIEF, and not merely going along with it just so the world can be said to be of ONE BELIEF.

Do you see the difference?

With this in mind, I'll answer your questions:


1st Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow the entire population of the world decided to become Atheist. It just happens and everyone agrees there are no gods. Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!


I have heard a lot of religious people claim that if they knew there was no God then they would have no reason to restrain themselves from doing anything including murder, rape, stealing, etc.

So just if that attitude remained in tack and everyone suddenly believed that atheism was true, many people who are currently not "criminal" could potentially become extremely nasty.

So that could potentially be a very bad thing.

I personally believe that many people simply aren't intelligent enough to instantly become "good atheists".


2nd Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow morning the entire population of the world decided to become Christians. Christians in that sense of one denomination only. Would it be a good thing or bad? Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!


Well, if everyone truly became a Christian of a single "denomination" meaning that they were all in agreement of what the Bible has to say, then things would probably be great.

First off, you wouldn't have anyone disagreeing with the rules. How could they simultaneously disagree with the interpretations of the "denomination" and still claim to believe it?

So yes, if everyone was willing to become a Christian of precisely the same denomination then everyone would be in agreement.

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However, having said that, wouldn't this also be true of any religion?

If everyone decided to become a Jew and believe like they do then once again, everyone would be in agreement.

If everyone decided to become a Muslim of a the same sect or denomination, then they too would all be in agreement with those rules and beliefs.

If everyone decided to become a Wiccan of precisely the same faith, or a Buddhist of precisely the same philosophy and so on. Then everyone would be in agreement.

In fact, if everyone decided to accept Greek Mythology as the truth of God, that too would work. Because ultimately everyone would be in agreement with that belief system and rules then.

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Of course if everyone became an atheist this wouldn't hold true because atheism has no rules or beliefs. So just because everyone is an atheist it wouldn't follow that they agree on anything. Other than that there are no gods.

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Fri 04/22/11 07:26 PM
I previously wrote:

Well, if everyone truly became a Christian of a single "denomination" meaning that they were all in agreement of what the Bible has to say, then things would probably be great.

First off, you wouldn't have anyone disagreeing with the rules. How could they simultaneously disagree with the interpretations of the "denomination" and still claim to believe it?

So yes, if everyone was willing to become a Christian of precisely the same denomination then everyone would be in agreement.


After thinking about this a bit, this might be true in terms of keeping people from arguing about things, but depending on what the denomination believes, it might not be the best for the planet as a whole.

In reality the Hebrew Bible simply doesn't offer enough details for precisely how humans should behave. For example, it says that we should have dominion over the animals, but it doesn't really go into any details on how to properly manage ecosystems.

Also things like how to properly handle pollution from technological industry and waste, etc, cannot be found in the Bible.

So no matter what a "denomination" might "believe" there simply isn't sufficient information in the Bible to insure that their beliefs would be beneficial to the planet as a whole, and therefore beneficial to the survival of the human race as a whole.

There just isn't enough information in those ancient texts to address those kinds of issues.

So a belief and adherence to those ancient beliefs cannot possibly assure that the world would be a better place.


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Fri 04/22/11 07:56 PM
Really?
There is a wonderful blueprint in the bable (opps BIBILE).

One simply has to filter out those thing every argues about.

For instance.

To prevent Global food shortages...

Does it not say in that book that a Landowner provide 1/4 of his workable lands to the comunity?...

That the local community should be fed before the Landowner takes profit from feeding the multitude.


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Fri 04/22/11 08:15 PM

Really?
There is a wonderful blueprint in the bable (opps BIBILE).

One simply has to filter out those thing every argues about.

For instance.

To prevent Global food shortages...

Does it not say in that book that a Landowner provide 1/4 of his workable lands to the comunity?...

That the local community should be fed before the Landowner takes profit from feeding the multitude.




I was thinking more in terms of ecology. Like should we be using chemical fertilizers and pesticides?

How you are being asked to distribute the food doesn't really tell you very much about how it should be grown.

The Bible can't very well address issues of modern technologies because the authors who wrote the Bible had no clue about modern technologies.

Should we be creating "hybrid plants". Should we continue toward "genetically designed" plants? Etc.

These types of questions simply aren't answerable by using the Bible. So even if everyone agreed on a particular Christian denomination that is based on the Bible, they might not all agree on many questions that face modern man. And in fact, probably wouldn't agree.

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Fri 04/22/11 08:23 PM

Really?
There is a wonderful blueprint in the bable (opps BIBILE).

One simply has to filter out those thing every argues about.

For instance.

To prevent Global food shortages...

Does it not say in that book that a Landowner provide 1/4 of his workable lands to the comunity?...

That the local community should be fed before the Landowner takes profit from feeding the multitude.




AB, again, I applaud your knowlege if not your compassion....



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Fri 04/22/11 08:59 PM
Since this is a thought created universe, it requires diversity of thought and belief in order to expand.

If everyone believed the same things, they would tend to think the same things and the universe would become stagnant and fail to thrive.

That is the universal law.

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Sun 04/24/11 05:35 AM



1st Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow the entire population of the world decided to become Atheist. It just happens and everyone agrees there are no gods. Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!




Would the world be a better place or worse?......hmmmmmmm....

I would like to think, initially, it would be a better world...one less point of difference.

Now if only we could remove prejudice, racism, political agendas, and every other form of separational thinking...


we could have One World....One Love.





2nd Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow morning the entire population of the world decided to become Christians. Christians in that sense of one denomination only. Would it be a good thing or bad? Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!



Read above....


The world could wake up in their tomorrow and become donkey-ists....and we have 50 gazillion other points of difference to overcome.

Also consider that as an option that the world could be the same as it is today even if the world's population agreed on a belief system.


It would make one marginal minimal difference in the grand scheme of things, for about 12.3 milliseconds.

Take a moment and contemplate on the questions. :)

I have taken more than a moment...I have taken a lifetime.



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Sun 04/24/11 10:39 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 04/24/11 11:02 AM
The world already has agreed on a belief system.

We all agree that the world is round, that we are subject to time and space, and gravity, and that we can't live forever in these bodies.

Science is the art of discovering other things to agree upon.

Religion is the art of finding things to disagree on.



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Sun 04/24/11 11:07 AM
yet there are many things scientists dont even all agree upon


I think the basic ends are the same. Some will agree and some wont. Science finds correlations and translates them into causation but their translations arent always universal, no more than the translation of the bible or any religious book is.

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Sun 04/24/11 12:10 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 04/24/11 12:11 PM

yet there are many things scientists dont even all agree upon


I think the basic ends are the same. Some will agree and some wont. Science finds correlations and translates them into causation but their translations arent always universal, no more than the translation of the bible or any religious book is.



I did not state that everyone would agree with science.
I also did not say that scientific knowledge was universal.
All I said was that science is the art of discovering things (for us) to agree on. At least they work hard at offering proof.

Religion, on the other hand, promotes faith. They "try" to back up their claims with science, but it does not hold up scientifically, although they are successful in gaining followers and believers.




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Sun 04/24/11 01:08 PM

Science is the art of discovering things to agree upon.

Religion is the art of finding things to disagree on.


I love it. love

Truer words were never spoken. bigsmile

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Sun 04/24/11 01:09 PM


yet there are many things scientists dont even all agree upon


I think the basic ends are the same. Some will agree and some wont. Science finds correlations and translates them into causation but their translations arent always universal, no more than the translation of the bible or any religious book is.



I did not state that everyone would agree with science.
I also did not say that scientific knowledge was universal.
All I said was that science is the art of discovering things (for us) to agree on. At least they work hard at offering proof.

Religion, on the other hand, promotes faith. They "try" to back up their claims with science, but it does not hold up scientifically, although they are successful in gaining followers and believers.







I can agree with religion promoting faith, I just disagree that it involves finding things to disagree about,,

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Sun 04/24/11 01:26 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 04/24/11 01:28 PM



yet there are many things scientists dont even all agree upon


I think the basic ends are the same. Some will agree and some wont. Science finds correlations and translates them into causation but their translations arent always universal, no more than the translation of the bible or any religious book is.



I did not state that everyone would agree with science.
I also did not say that scientific knowledge was universal.
All I said was that science is the art of discovering things (for us) to agree on. At least they work hard at offering proof.

Religion, on the other hand, promotes faith. They "try" to back up their claims with science, but it does not hold up scientifically, although they are successful in gaining followers and believers.







I can agree with religion promoting faith, I just disagree that it involves finding things to disagree about,,


Yeh, I know, I was just funnin with ya. bigsmile
laugh laugh

But that just seems what they do end up finding, even among denominations.

(I mean, who cares what day of the week is the seventh day? )

That argument just seems so petty in the face of an almighty universal God.



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Sun 04/24/11 01:33 PM
1. It is arguably atheist already: I don't believe any educated religious leader can truly take their dogma at face value. It stands against reason. Religion is just a label, a pointer, a thing that we all just keep doing to keep it going, a thing leaders use to keep one hand on the tiller and the other in the cashbox.

2. A step back towards the Dark Ages, the sidelining of science, money moving towards conservatism, tiering society further, everyone living under one ideology with transgressors dealt a hard, unforgiving hand. Backwards, backwards, backwards.

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Sun 04/24/11 01:53 PM

1. It is arguably atheist already: I don't believe any educated religious leader can truly take their dogma at face value. It stands against reason. Religion is just a label, a pointer, a thing that we all just keep doing to keep it going, a thing leaders use to keep one hand on the tiller and the other in the cashbox.


That's a good point. I personally don't believe that religious people truly believe in their gods. They certainly don't ACT like they believe in them.


2. A step back towards the Dark Ages, the sidelining of science, money moving towards conservatism, tiering society further, everyone living under one ideology with transgressors dealt a hard, unforgiving hand. Backwards, backwards, backwards.


Yes, that's true, if they are going to side-line science then it's really nothing less than the promotion of ignorance and superstition and a condemnation of intelligence and wisdom.

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Sun 04/24/11 02:05 PM




yet there are many things scientists dont even all agree upon


I think the basic ends are the same. Some will agree and some wont. Science finds correlations and translates them into causation but their translations arent always universal, no more than the translation of the bible or any religious book is.



I did not state that everyone would agree with science.
I also did not say that scientific knowledge was universal.
All I said was that science is the art of discovering things (for us) to agree on. At least they work hard at offering proof.

Religion, on the other hand, promotes faith. They "try" to back up their claims with science, but it does not hold up scientifically, although they are successful in gaining followers and believers.







I can agree with religion promoting faith, I just disagree that it involves finding things to disagree about,,


Yeh, I know, I was just funnin with ya. bigsmile
laugh laugh

But that just seems what they do end up finding, even among denominations.

(I mean, who cares what day of the week is the seventh day? )

That argument just seems so petty in the face of an almighty universal God.





men(mankind) can be petty about almost ANY topic, regardless of their faith,,,

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Sun 04/24/11 02:16 PM


Imagination at its best or worst...however you will take it!


1st Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow the entire population of the world decided to become Atheist. It just happens and everyone agrees there are no gods. Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!

2nd Question:

What would happen if by tomorrow morning the entire population of the world decided to become Christians. Christians in that sense of one denomination only. Would it be a good thing or bad? Would this world be a better world or worst? Explain why!


Also consider that as an option that the world could be the same as it is today even if the world's population agreed on a belief system.

Take a moment and contemplate on the questions. :)





IF everyone decided there was noone greater than themself, I think we would see more chaos and greed.


IF everyone decided to become Christians, the answer varies. If , by christian, we mean CHRIST LIKE,,,then I imagine it would be quite peaceful and lovely. If, by christian, we mean professing to be christ like,,,,I dont think a thing would change because people would still find other reasons to do or not do what they wanted to do or not do, which can be anything from adultery to murder.


Although I'm Agnostic, not Atheist (most Atheists are very sure of their non-belief, I can't help thinking that that's too much like religion for my comfort...laugh ) I take umbrage to the above statement:IF everyone decided there was noone greater than themself, I think we would see more chaos and greed.

Why do Christians think they've cornered the market on good character/attributes? Seriously this p*sses me off, and I see it most often from those who claim to follow Christ's example (I guess 'judge not lest ye be judged' is one He picks up and puts down at whim?)

I live my life without lying, cheating, stealing or otherwise behaving like scum because I like me that way and I don't need a manual or big brother figure warning me about some future punishment to make it easy. As for the future reward if I am good, what would happen if the entire population decided this wasn't going to materialize when the clock runs down, and started living for today (thanks John Lennonshades ). Isn't it possible that people might focus on how it feels to do good now, be good now, just because it feels good now?


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