Are you Satan?

You sure do seem to be obsessed with using Jesus as a battering ram to try to condemn people.

I don't think I've ever met anyone as hateful as you in my entire life when it comes to spiritual topics.

No-belief in Hebrew hatred, male-chauvinism, blood and guts, gore and crucifixion DOES NOT EQUATE to a non-believe in divine love.

Sorry to disappoint you on that one, but truly, your demand that people must "believe" in a hateful demented picture of God in order to be loved is about as sick as sick can be.

Both Jeannie and myself are indeed "believers" in "God".

Far more than you evidently.

Unfortunately you seem to be hung up on worshiping ancient Hebrews bigotries and hate schemes.

I hope for your sake that some day you see the light and move away from embracing such bigotry and hatred in the name of God, and instead turn to LOVE which is God.

It's so simple Cowboy. Just give up the religious bigotry and turn to LOVE.

Love is God. God is Love.

Such a simple concept. Why can you not see that God is LOVE?

God is not fire, brimstone and the going around condemning other people in God's name.

That's about as far from LOVE as a person can be.

And when you are far from LOVE, then you are also far from GOD.

All you do is use RELIGION to condemn others.

Where is there anything positive in that?

That's right.

Christians don't own God. They don't own copyright to God either. They don't even own the Bible or any other scripture.

They delude themselves into believing that everyone who does not believe in their dogma their way, is a non-believer in God, and in doing this, they are saying that they own God and that nobody can believe in God but those who believe in their dogma.

Why don't they just believe as they wish and stop going around proclaiming that everyone is wrong about what they believe?

You know what? We already know what you believe. We don't believe your dogma. That does not give you the moral right or obligation to suggest to us that we are non-believers in God. So stop it.

Again, YOU do not own God. We can believe in God without believing in all of your silly dogma and myths about what you believe.

You can believe anything you wish. This ridiculous conversation, for me, is getting to be very boring.

Not using anything for a battering ram, heck I'm not even using a battering ram. And no, God is going condemning no one. It is only you that can condemn you. You do this by the choices you choose in life. God is love, he offers eternal life through his son Jesus. God offers anything you'll ever be in need of. God offers the world if one wishes to accept it. God offers everlasting love. There is no hatred. I still don't understand why you are so stuck on hatred. Why you even take it so personal. This is a general religion chat forum. Where people come to chat about their religion. No one's trying to convert anyone, no one's trying to bring other's to their beliefs. Unless you are, and that I do not know. Only you know that. Again, this is merely a discussion forum to discuss religion, not to convert or anything of such. Again why do you take it so personal? And through insults around claiming someone is condemning another?

Nice try, but no cigar. Christianity isn't about any dogma. Christianity is about worshiping God our father who art in heaven. It's not about the bible, it's not about any other writing. Yeah, so these things have been written down, but that's not what we worship. We praise God in all his greatness. Again, as I was saying in the previous post, why the insults all the time? Why state someone's deluding themselves? Why make it so personal? Again, this is a GENERAL RELIGION CHAT. If one thing being discussed isn't your cup of tea, don't discuss in it. Simple as that. If it doesn't appease you, don't worry about. Just turn and walk away. Why spread insults to the person whom may believe in this particular thing?

Its not about the Bible you say? If it were not for the Bible you would not even have Christianity and you would not know the name Jesus.

I can surely worship and praise God just as much as you can. So don't tell me I have to believe in Jesus to do so. If you do, then you are trying to own God.

And why do you accuse me of "spreading insults?"

I am simply saying that Christians do not own God. But to hear them talk, they act as if they do.

The insult is in the following quote. You state we DELUDE ourselves. And yes without the bible I would still know God and Jesus. It's called word of mouth. The bible just makes it easier and more convenient to learn about God. If it was only handed down by word of mouth, some things may be left out here and there. It is put on paper so it's maintained and doesn't get twisted. Jesus is the path to God, he is the light and the way. No one comes to the father but by Jesus.

Well if you call me a "non-believer" in God then you are deluded. If not, then I apologize.

Cowboy is indeed lying. Either that or he is in serious denial and can't see his very own actions and demands.

Cowboy says:


That is an outright lie Cowboy. Especially coming from you. you constantly uses dogma to make all of your demands about "God". You also constantly uses that dogma to judge and condemn other people in the name of "God".

It's entirely about your dogma. That's all you have to offer and nothing more.

In fact, Cowboy I can prove it to you right now.

I believe in God. I love and worship God in my own way.

I do not accept your dogma!

So do you now accept that I love, worship, and acknowledge God?


If you don't, then please explain why without referencing your dogma!

If you can't do that then you will have proven that I'm right. And I'm sure that you can't because dogma is entirely what you are about. The only way you can condemn my love of God is by using your hateful dogma. There is no other way for you to condemn my love of God other than using your hateful dogma.

You know nothing of God at all!.

All you know about is dogma. That's all you preach and use to condemn other people's.faith and love of God.

All you're doing is going around condemning other people's love of God in the name of your dogma!

When you speak of "non-believers" you are speaking of "non-believers of dogma". Not non-believers of God.

Both Jeannie and myself, as well as AB and others, have told your countless times that we believe in God, evidently even more than you do. And we certainly trust God far more than you do. And we don't make God out to be a hateful bully like you do.

What you call "praising God" we see as "degrading God". You're actually insulting God with ever chance you get by demanding that God must be like the ancient Hebrews claim, and that if people aren't willing to praise the ancient Hebrews fables of God then they are rejecting God.

That's just downright ignorant. It's an insult to both mankind and to God, and all that is divine.

Tell me why I do not believe in God without using your hateful dogma?

Can you do that?

No, I'm absolutely certain that you cannot.

You're ALL ABOUT DOGMA and religious bigotry, and about condemning the love that other people have for the real creator of life.

Period amen.

Your an abomination to all that is divine and holy with your hateful bigoted religious dogma.

I do call you a non-believer. A non-believer of Jesus being the Christ. You've stated this. But anything other then that, I have no grounds to claim anything. I judge not.

I am done speaking with you. I am done with your insults and hatred. Jesus is the path to God, he is the light. No one comes to the father but by him. Wow, look at that. No scriptures referenced, no "dogma" used. So I will speak to you later on when you wish to have a civil discussion without spreading insults and lies. Have a great day my friend. Much love to you and yours.

But you do judge.

You judge everyone who does not believe in the rumors that Jesus was "The Christ" as refusing to obey and love God.

That's a judgment my friend.

You're passing judgment on other people based on your own entirely "faith-based" belief.

So you most certainly do judge other people constantly.

No judgment passed.

They have specifically stated they do not obey God when they state they do no obey and or do not believe in Jesus.

Insults?

I'm not the one who's going around using Jesus as an excuse to condemn spiritual people's love of God.

When I tell you that I love God and you condemn that in Jesus' name, then that is an insult Cowboy.

Besides look at what you've just said above:



What? No scriptures referenced?

So where did you get the idea that "No one comes to the father but by him?" And who is "he"?

No scriptures referenced?

And please don't give me the "Much love to your and yours" after you have condemned my love of God in Jesus name.

Love is more than just words my friend. You don't exhibit hatred toward people by condemning their love of God in Jesus' name and then hypocritically say to them, "Much love to your and yours".

There is no "love" coming from someone who just condemned my love of God using Jesus as a battering ram of hatred. All you speak is empty WORDS.

Well, all I can say Cowboy is that if your "faith-based" belief in God has you going around condemning everyone else's love of God then there's something seriously wrong with your religion.

How can something that's supposed to be divine become nothing more than a means of condemning everyone around you who does not share your beliefs?

There's something drastically wrong with that picture.

See, why spread so many lies? I said not if you were going to burn or if you were going to heaven. I said not one thing about YOUR eternity. I said not one thing that judged YOU. It is only you that takes it personal, and I'm sorry you take it so personal, but that is beyond my ability of choice for it is your choice to take it that way. Again, and that is beyond my control.

Again, no judgment passed, not condemning. It is again, you that takes it personal. If you do not believe in it, why take it so personal? I did not mention specifically you in what I said. So again, if it's just fairy-tails why take it so personal?

You demand specifically that anyone who does not believe in your religion as you describe it is refusing to acknowledge and worship "God".

Well duh? That includes me Cowboy!

That makes your accusations "personal" for everyone who falls under the blanket of your condemnation.

This would be like you proclaiming that all black people are falling short of the Glory of God, and a specific black person comes up to you and complains, and you say, "Why do you take it personally, I wasn't speaking about you personally".

What?

I fall under the BLANKET of your condemnations Cowboy.

That makes it personal automatically.

Abra,

Oh well, we both know that he is wrong so why place any attention on it?

I am hereby removing all thought and attention from things that are not true. If you continue to give this subject your thought and attention, Abra, you will continue to attract people like this into your experience. But maybe that is what you want. ???

I don't.
It does not feel good. It creates bad vibes.

And things that do not feel good are negative energies that attract things that I do not want into my life.



REACH FOR JOY!

(That's my new motto.)

As always you wisdom shines brightly.

He's never going to see the error of his ways. If he wants to continually preach hatred in the name of God I guess he has a right to do that. I just don't see the point to it.

Bad example. Black people are born black, they don't have a choice. Rejecting God is a choice. And again I'm not condemning anyone. I know not if you or anyone else will make it to heaven or not. I make nothing personal my friend, it is you that makes the personal attacks.