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Better to ask which of the OT prophesies have NOT been fulfilled. There are many. Very good point indeed. In fact, their are Jewish websites that list these to show why they are indeed convinced that Jesus could not have been the promised messiah. However, what I was truly hoping to see was an actual prophecy that actually PROMISES that a messiah is supposedly coming? I have yet to see that anywhere. All I see is people pointing to various vague things throughout the Bible and trying to tie them in with an idea of a messiah, but in most of those cases I don't even see any mention of any promised messiah. ~~~~~ Even the prophesies of Jesus "returning" are unsupportable. According to the story we have the following: 1. Jesus said he would come back and there would be a judgment day and the FEW people who qualify will be collected. 2. Jesus died. 3. Jesus supposedly CAME BACK three days later. (prophesy fulfilled, Jesus CAME BACK) 4. A multitude of "saints" were raised from their graves at this time. (i.e. Judgment day had arrived and the righteous were resurrected) 5. The saints when into the Holy City. Probably to collect the FEW righteous people that Jesus had promised he would 'save'. 6. Then Jesus, the saints, and the people they "saved" all left. 7. End of story. There's no need for any "Second Rapture", apparently it already took place 3 days after Jesus had died. We're the descendants of the rejects. 
But seriously, look at what these scriptures had Jesus himself saying: Matt.24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Mark.13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Luke.21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Well, if Jesus said that he was going to return and take the righteous people with him, then clearly that too would have needed to occur within the very same generation of people that Jesus was speaking to live. So there you go. Even if the story is true, it's a done deal that would have no applicability to anyone living today. 
We are still in the same generation. We are in the generation of Jesus. Before Jesus walked this earth, that was one generation. Then Jesus was made flesh and walked the earth, that is when the next generation started. This generation will be complete when Jesus returns. 1 definition of generation - the term of years, roughly 30 among human beings, accepted as the average period between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring. The TERM of years. As humans we accept say 30 - 40 years to be a generation. That is the TERM of years we as humans accept as a generation. There is no indication that this is the same TERM of years for the "generation" Jesus was speaking of. Generation is wide to interpretation. What YOU consider to be a generation may not be what another person(s) and or culture considers to be a generation. We could say 100 years is a generation, we could say 50 years is a generation, we could even say 1000 years is a generation if that's the time one wishes to give for a generation. It's only our culture these days that consider roughly 40 - 70ish years a generation. It is only our culture these days that consider a generation from parent, to child being two different generations. That is purely what we have grown to be accustomed to. The scriptures is not quite to how long a generation is. Moses in Psalms tells us exactly what one is.. Blessings..Miles |
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And how are they not prophecies? They are things to come, and or happen in a certain amount of time. Some of those may not be "prophecies" from today forward, no. Some of those may have already happened, thus they are no longer "prophecies". But for the ones that have not happened, they are still prophecies and will happen. Cowboy all you did was upload a list from a website and proclaim them to be prophecies without any futher explanation as to how they are..... I don't quite understand your statement. A prophecy is a foretold thing to happen. For instance, my prophecy is you'll have to use the rest room later today. So I don't understand your statement on "explanation as to how they are". They were events foretold to happen in the times of the old testament, then they happened later on. Sorry, kinda figured you understood what a prophecy was. Cowboy that I or you or anyone has to go to the restroom to take a dump is not a prophecy...it's biology .. humans are constructed to eat then have to go to the rest room eventually...so it's not prophecy...it falls more into the realm of common sense this is why if someone told Jesus that he was a son or that he had a Father doesn't require any prophezing because sons generally have Fathers and to be a Father you need a son just because you utter words do not make it a prophecy or that you foretold something.....those are called "Thoughts"... you perhaps need to re-evaluate what a prophecy is |
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I've shown where Jesus said that he will not judge anyone for not believing in him or in his words. You reject those statements of Jesus and prefer to twist them into something entirely different. I do no such thing. No, Jesus will not judge the non believers. Think of the word for a sec, a JUDGMENT. It's not a sentencing, or anything of that nature. -------------------- John 12:48 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. --------------------- Our judgment will be to judge weather we have achieved the gift of the paradise or not. So since it's to "judge" weather we get to go or not, of course a non believer wouldn't have to be "judged" for their fate is already told. So there would be no need to walk through their life being judged on every step they took. Cause they automatically aren't going. Just as Jesus said "deny me before man and I will deny you before my father". So again, of course there would be no need for a "judgment" exactly, for their fate is already told. To not believe in the fables of Jesus is not to "deny him". On the contrary, in order to "deny" Jesus you would have had to have met him in person. So it's not even possible for anyone alive today to deny Jesus. Moreover, you are clearly wrong, based on the very verses that you yourself have posted. You posted -------------------- John 12:48 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. --------------------- Yet your attempting to claim that no judgment would be required for these people, yet right here in this verse it is being claimed that the will be judged by the words he has spoken. If you understood that Jesus was indeed a Buddhist you'd understand that he was speaking of karma. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Luke.6 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ These are the words that Jesus had spoken according to these gospels. Therefore if we can trust these words to be from Jesus, then these would be the criteria by which people would be judged, and they would not be condemned for the reasons that you gave. Like I say, these scriptures can be taken optimistically with intelligence, or they can be used ignorantly to try to condemn people in the name of Jesus "The Christ Almighty!" That's your choice my friend. You're the one who goes around attempting to judge and condemn people in Jesus' name. Not me! I prefer to live by Luke 6:37 
Unlike you, I do not judge or condemn anyone in anyone's name. 
When you judge people to have already been condemned by Jesus you are in dire violation of Luke 6:37. In fact, I've shown where Jesus said that he did not come for the righteous but only for the sinners. Yet you reject the notion that there exists anyone who doesn't need to be "saved". He came to bring people to God. If one is already worshiping God, why would he/she need someone to bring them to God? They are already there. We ALL need to be "saved". For we are saved from death. Just some of us are already in the "saved" category. You've just contradicted yourself right here. You just said, "If one is already worshiping God, why would he/she need someone to bring them to God?" But then you said, "We ALL need to be saved". Saved from, what? You just said that if someone already worships God there would be no need to bring them to God. Well, spiritual people already worship God. So there would be no need to bring them to God. And no need to "save" them. For what would they be "Saved" from? Remember, in your religion the only thing a person needs to be saved from it the wrath of God himself! And the rejection of God so-called unconditional love. 
That's an oxymoron right there. I personally believe that all spiritual people who worship a "God Concept" are indeed worshiping "God". There can be no such thing as a "False God". If you are worshiping the creator of all that exist, then you've got it right. You can't be wrong. I personally believe that this concept even abstractly applies to many secular scientists. No one wanted to know the mind of God more than Albert Einstein. There is no greater way to worship a god than to love the god with all your heart, soul, and mind, which clearly Albert Einstein did. As so many secular scientists. They just don't define God in terms of a Zeus-like persona who has a big ego. That's all. They don't put God in a box and act like they OWN God, like YOU DO! So you create your "God" by demanding what he must be "like". He had damn well better live up to your expectations or when he meets you face-to-face he's going to have one hell of an argument on his hands, because you won't accept "His interpretations" of things. I do accept interpretations when they make sense, and fit. Alot of these interpretations you're refering to that I don't accept are cause they are taken out of context. And if kept in context make absolutely no sense with the translation that person is trying to present it as. So when you're ready to sit down and have an adult conversation about the meaning of scriptures, we can do so. When interpreting verse(s) you have to keep the surrounding verses in mind to find the true meaning of the statement. And I "create" nothing. Next time we come across a verse we don't agree on the interpretation we will look deeper into the surrounding verses to find the true meaning. To be perfectly honest with you Cowboy, I wouldn't waste my time sitting down with you in such a discussion. It's already crystal clear to me that your agenda is to use these scriptures to condemn everyone who doesn't agree with you interpretations. You use these scriptures to spread hatred and judgment of others in the name of Jesus Christ. Why would I want to waste my time talking with a person who has such a hateful agenda? It's precisely people like you that drive me far away from Christianity and the Bible, because you infuse it with your hatred of non-believers, and you use it as and excuse to OWN God, and claim to speak for God. The whole idea of Protestantism was to protest against that very thing! You reject the Catholic Pope, yet you want to become the Pope yourself!
All I can say is that if God truly is as hateful and heartless as you portray him to be via your negative interpretations of these scriptures, then there is no "God", on the contrary all that would exist is a supreme heartless demon, who had no clue what the word "LOVE" even means, much less have an clue of a concept such as "Unconditional Love". You take what could potentially be a positive religion and force it to become hatred and bigotry in the name of Jesus "The Christ Almighty". You blaspheme the very concept of "God" by using religion to spread and support hatred and religious bigotry in the name of Jesus. There's nothing divine in anything you do with this religion. Yet ironically your very scriptures even tell you that this is a sign of something to avoid: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Matt.7 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The religion you support is evil, you use it to judge others in the name of Jesus as The Christ. You use it to condemn others in the name of God and to spread religious bigotry and divisiveness. You use it to condemn others who worship "God" but who simply do it in ways that YOU do not approve of. 
There is nothing good in anything you do with your religion, therefore your religion can not represent a "Good Tree", especially in the way that YOU personally interpret it. I, on the other hand, try my very best to interpret it in a GOOD way. But you do your very best to destroy all the GOOD that I offer. You always argue for the most hateful, most pessimistic, and most religiously bigoted interpretations of every verse or story of the Bible. I always argue for the most loving, most optimistic, and most religiously tolerant interpretations of every verse or story in the Bible. Your approach to religion is evil. My approach is good. You can make it whatever you want it to be. Apparently you have decided to make it into a pessimistic, hateful dogma that supports religious bigotry and spiritual divisivess among men. If that's your choice, so be it. There doesn't seem to be much that anyone can do to change your religiously bigoted views. You COULD portray Jesus to be a loving divine demigod if you truly wanted to. But you choose not to do that. Why, I'll never know. All I know is that there is no "good fruit" emanating from your "religious tree", and so even from the biblical scriptures themselves your "religious tree" is necessarily corrupt must necessarily be "evil", for so it is written. |
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I've shown where Jesus said that he will not judge anyone for not believing in him or in his words. You reject those statements of Jesus and prefer to twist them into something entirely different. I do no such thing. No, Jesus will not judge the non believers. Think of the word for a sec, a JUDGMENT. It's not a sentencing, or anything of that nature. -------------------- John 12:48 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. --------------------- Our judgment will be to judge weather we have achieved the gift of the paradise or not. So since it's to "judge" weather we get to go or not, of course a non believer wouldn't have to be "judged" for their fate is already told. So there would be no need to walk through their life being judged on every step they took. Cause they automatically aren't going. Just as Jesus said "deny me before man and I will deny you before my father". So again, of course there would be no need for a "judgment" exactly, for their fate is already told. To not believe in the fables of Jesus is not to "deny him". On the contrary, in order to "deny" Jesus you would have had to have met him in person. So it's not even possible for anyone alive today to deny Jesus. Moreover, you are clearly wrong, based on the very verses that you yourself have posted. You posted -------------------- John 12:48 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. --------------------- Yet your attempting to claim that no judgment would be required for these people, yet right here in this verse it is being claimed that the will be judged by the words he has spoken. If you understood that Jesus was indeed a Buddhist you'd understand that he was speaking of karma. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Luke.6 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ These are the words that Jesus had spoken according to these gospels. Therefore if we can trust these words to be from Jesus, then these would be the criteria by which people would be judged, and they would not be condemned for the reasons that you gave. Like I say, these scriptures can be taken optimistically with intelligence, or they can be used ignorantly to try to condemn people in the name of Jesus "The Christ Almighty!" That's your choice my friend. You're the one who goes around attempting to judge and condemn people in Jesus' name. Not me! I prefer to live by Luke 6:37
Unlike you, I do not judge or condemn anyone in anyone's name.
When you judge people to have already been condemned by Jesus you are in dire violation of Luke 6:37. In fact, I've shown where Jesus said that he did not come for the righteous but only for the sinners. Yet you reject the notion that there exists anyone who doesn't need to be "saved". He came to bring people to God. If one is already worshiping God, why would he/she need someone to bring them to God? They are already there. We ALL need to be "saved". For we are saved from death. Just some of us are already in the "saved" category. You've just contradicted yourself right here. You just said, "If one is already worshiping God, why would he/she need someone to bring them to God?" But then you said, "We ALL need to be saved". Saved from, what? You just said that if someone already worships God there would be no need to bring them to God. Well, spiritual people already worship God. So there would be no need to bring them to God. And no need to "save" them. For what would they be "Saved" from? Remember, in your religion the only thing a person needs to be saved from it the wrath of God himself! And the rejection of God so-called unconditional love.
That's an oxymoron right there. I personally believe that all spiritual people who worship a "God Concept" are indeed worshiping "God". There can be no such thing as a "False God". If you are worshiping the creator of all that exist, then you've got it right. You can't be wrong. I personally believe that this concept even abstractly applies to many secular scientists. No one wanted to know the mind of God more than Albert Einstein. There is no greater way to worship a god than to love the god with all your heart, soul, and mind, which clearly Albert Einstein did. As so many secular scientists. They just don't define God in terms of a Zeus-like persona who has a big ego. That's all. They don't put God in a box and act like they OWN God, like YOU DO! So you create your "God" by demanding what he must be "like". He had damn well better live up to your expectations or when he meets you face-to-face he's going to have one hell of an argument on his hands, because you won't accept "His interpretations" of things. I do accept interpretations when they make sense, and fit. Alot of these interpretations you're refering to that I don't accept are cause they are taken out of context. And if kept in context make absolutely no sense with the translation that person is trying to present it as. So when you're ready to sit down and have an adult conversation about the meaning of scriptures, we can do so. When interpreting verse(s) you have to keep the surrounding verses in mind to find the true meaning of the statement. And I "create" nothing. Next time we come across a verse we don't agree on the interpretation we will look deeper into the surrounding verses to find the true meaning. To be perfectly honest with you Cowboy, I wouldn't waste my time sitting down with you in such a discussion. It's already crystal clear to me that your agenda is to use these scriptures to condemn everyone who doesn't agree with you interpretations. You use these scriptures to spread hatred and judgment of others in the name of Jesus Christ. Why would I want to waste my time talking with a person who has such a hateful agenda? It's precisely people like you that drive me far away from Christianity and the Bible, because you infuse it with your hatred of non-believers, and you use it as and excuse to OWN God, and claim to speak for God. The whole idea of Protestantism was to protest against that very thing! You reject the Catholic Pope, yet you want to become the Pope yourself!
All I can say is that if God truly is as hateful and heartless as you portray him to be via your negative interpretations of these scriptures, then there is no "God", on the contrary all that would exist is a supreme heartless demon, who had no clue what the word "LOVE" even means, much less have an clue of a concept such as "Unconditional Love". You take what could potentially be a positive religion and force it to become hatred and bigotry in the name of Jesus "The Christ Almighty". You blaspheme the very concept of "God" by using religion to spread and support hatred and religious bigotry in the name of Jesus. There's nothing divine in anything you do with this religion. Yet ironically your very scriptures even tell you that this is a sign of something to avoid: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Matt.7 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The religion you support is evil, you use it to judge others in the name of Jesus as The Christ. You use it to condemn others in the name of God and to spread religious bigotry and divisiveness. You use it to condemn others who worship "God" but who simply do it in ways that YOU do not approve of.
There is nothing good in anything you do with your religion, therefore your religion can not represent a "Good Tree", especially in the way that YOU personally interpret it. I, on the other hand, try my very best to interpret it in a GOOD way. But you do your very best to destroy all the GOOD that I offer. You always argue for the most hateful, most pessimistic, and most religiously bigoted interpretations of every verse or story of the Bible. I always argue for the most loving, most optimistic, and most religiously tolerant interpretations of every verse or story in the Bible. Your approach to religion is evil. My approach is good. You can make it whatever you want it to be. Apparently you have decided to make it into a pessimistic, hateful dogma that supports religious bigotry and spiritual divisivess among men. If that's your choice, so be it. There doesn't seem to be much that anyone can do to change your religiously bigoted views. You COULD portray Jesus to be a loving divine demigod if you truly wanted to. But you choose not to do that. Why, I'll never know. All I know is that there is no "good fruit" emanating from your "religious tree", and so even from the biblical scriptures themselves your "religious tree" is necessarily corrupt must necessarily be "evil", for so it is written. You crack me up.. You and your imaginary friends out to Play?  |
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Proverbs 30:4 (NIV) Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know!
That is just a bunch of questions. Its not a prophecy. |
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Luke 1:32 (NIV) He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
How is this a prophecy? How can this statement be referring to Jesus? When did Jesus ever take the throne? If Jesus is the son of David, then is David "the most high?" I thought the claim was that Jesus was the son of God, not the son of David. How do you know who they are referring to when they say "the most high?" Why do you make so many assumptions? |
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And how are they not prophecies? They are things to come, and or happen in a certain amount of time. Some of those may not be "prophecies" from today forward, no. Some of those may have already happened, thus they are no longer "prophecies". But for the ones that have not happened, they are still prophecies and will happen. Cowboy all you did was upload a list from a website and proclaim them to be prophecies without any futher explanation as to how they are..... I don't quite understand your statement. A prophecy is a foretold thing to happen. For instance, my prophecy is you'll have to use the rest room later today. So I don't understand your statement on "explanation as to how they are". They were events foretold to happen in the times of the old testament, then they happened later on. Sorry, kinda figured you understood what a prophecy was. Cowboy that I or you or anyone has to go to the restroom to take a dump is not a prophecy...it's biology .. humans are constructed to eat then have to go to the rest room eventually...so it's not prophecy...it falls more into the realm of common sense this is why if someone told Jesus that he was a son or that he had a Father doesn't require any prophezing because sons generally have Fathers and to be a Father you need a son just because you utter words do not make it a prophecy or that you foretold something.....those are called "Thoughts"... you perhaps need to re-evaluate what a prophecy is A prophecy is a foretold future event. Was merely an example of what a prophecy was. Was a stupid prophecy, yes. But nevertheless it was just an example to show what a prophecy was. |
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I've shown where Jesus said that he will not judge anyone for not believing in him or in his words. You reject those statements of Jesus and prefer to twist them into something entirely different. I do no such thing. No, Jesus will not judge the non believers. Think of the word for a sec, a JUDGMENT. It's not a sentencing, or anything of that nature. -------------------- John 12:48 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. --------------------- Our judgment will be to judge weather we have achieved the gift of the paradise or not. So since it's to "judge" weather we get to go or not, of course a non believer wouldn't have to be "judged" for their fate is already told. So there would be no need to walk through their life being judged on every step they took. Cause they automatically aren't going. Just as Jesus said "deny me before man and I will deny you before my father". So again, of course there would be no need for a "judgment" exactly, for their fate is already told. To not believe in the fables of Jesus is not to "deny him". On the contrary, in order to "deny" Jesus you would have had to have met him in person. So it's not even possible for anyone alive today to deny Jesus. Moreover, you are clearly wrong, based on the very verses that you yourself have posted. You posted -------------------- John 12:48 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. --------------------- Yet your attempting to claim that no judgment would be required for these people, yet right here in this verse it is being claimed that the will be judged by the words he has spoken. If you understood that Jesus was indeed a Buddhist you'd understand that he was speaking of karma. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Luke.6 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ These are the words that Jesus had spoken according to these gospels. Therefore if we can trust these words to be from Jesus, then these would be the criteria by which people would be judged, and they would not be condemned for the reasons that you gave. Like I say, these scriptures can be taken optimistically with intelligence, or they can be used ignorantly to try to condemn people in the name of Jesus "The Christ Almighty!" That's your choice my friend. You're the one who goes around attempting to judge and condemn people in Jesus' name. Not me! I prefer to live by Luke 6:37
Unlike you, I do not judge or condemn anyone in anyone's name.
When you judge people to have already been condemned by Jesus you are in dire violation of Luke 6:37. In fact, I've shown where Jesus said that he did not come for the righteous but only for the sinners. Yet you reject the notion that there exists anyone who doesn't need to be "saved". He came to bring people to God. If one is already worshiping God, why would he/she need someone to bring them to God? They are already there. We ALL need to be "saved". For we are saved from death. Just some of us are already in the "saved" category. You've just contradicted yourself right here. You just said, "If one is already worshiping God, why would he/she need someone to bring them to God?" But then you said, "We ALL need to be saved". Saved from, what? You just said that if someone already worships God there would be no need to bring them to God. Well, spiritual people already worship God. So there would be no need to bring them to God. And no need to "save" them. For what would they be "Saved" from? Remember, in your religion the only thing a person needs to be saved from it the wrath of God himself! And the rejection of God so-called unconditional love.
That's an oxymoron right there. I personally believe that all spiritual people who worship a "God Concept" are indeed worshiping "God". There can be no such thing as a "False God". If you are worshiping the creator of all that exist, then you've got it right. You can't be wrong. I personally believe that this concept even abstractly applies to many secular scientists. No one wanted to know the mind of God more than Albert Einstein. There is no greater way to worship a god than to love the god with all your heart, soul, and mind, which clearly Albert Einstein did. As so many secular scientists. They just don't define God in terms of a Zeus-like persona who has a big ego. That's all. They don't put God in a box and act like they OWN God, like YOU DO! So you create your "God" by demanding what he must be "like". He had damn well better live up to your expectations or when he meets you face-to-face he's going to have one hell of an argument on his hands, because you won't accept "His interpretations" of things. I do accept interpretations when they make sense, and fit. Alot of these interpretations you're refering to that I don't accept are cause they are taken out of context. And if kept in context make absolutely no sense with the translation that person is trying to present it as. So when you're ready to sit down and have an adult conversation about the meaning of scriptures, we can do so. When interpreting verse(s) you have to keep the surrounding verses in mind to find the true meaning of the statement. And I "create" nothing. Next time we come across a verse we don't agree on the interpretation we will look deeper into the surrounding verses to find the true meaning. To be perfectly honest with you Cowboy, I wouldn't waste my time sitting down with you in such a discussion. It's already crystal clear to me that your agenda is to use these scriptures to condemn everyone who doesn't agree with you interpretations. You use these scriptures to spread hatred and judgment of others in the name of Jesus Christ. Why would I want to waste my time talking with a person who has such a hateful agenda? It's precisely people like you that drive me far away from Christianity and the Bible, because you infuse it with your hatred of non-believers, and you use it as and excuse to OWN God, and claim to speak for God. The whole idea of Protestantism was to protest against that very thing! You reject the Catholic Pope, yet you want to become the Pope yourself!
All I can say is that if God truly is as hateful and heartless as you portray him to be via your negative interpretations of these scriptures, then there is no "God", on the contrary all that would exist is a supreme heartless demon, who had no clue what the word "LOVE" even means, much less have an clue of a concept such as "Unconditional Love". You take what could potentially be a positive religion and force it to become hatred and bigotry in the name of Jesus "The Christ Almighty". You blaspheme the very concept of "God" by using religion to spread and support hatred and religious bigotry in the name of Jesus. There's nothing divine in anything you do with this religion. Yet ironically your very scriptures even tell you that this is a sign of something to avoid: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Matt.7 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The religion you support is evil, you use it to judge others in the name of Jesus as The Christ. You use it to condemn others in the name of God and to spread religious bigotry and divisiveness. You use it to condemn others who worship "God" but who simply do it in ways that YOU do not approve of.
There is nothing good in anything you do with your religion, therefore your religion can not represent a "Good Tree", especially in the way that YOU personally interpret it. I, on the other hand, try my very best to interpret it in a GOOD way. But you do your very best to destroy all the GOOD that I offer. You always argue for the most hateful, most pessimistic, and most religiously bigoted interpretations of every verse or story of the Bible. I always argue for the most loving, most optimistic, and most religiously tolerant interpretations of every verse or story in the Bible. Your approach to religion is evil. My approach is good. You can make it whatever you want it to be. Apparently you have decided to make it into a pessimistic, hateful dogma that supports religious bigotry and spiritual divisivess among men. If that's your choice, so be it. There doesn't seem to be much that anyone can do to change your religiously bigoted views. You COULD portray Jesus to be a loving divine demigod if you truly wanted to. But you choose not to do that. Why, I'll never know. All I know is that there is no "good fruit" emanating from your "religious tree", and so even from the biblical scriptures themselves your "religious tree" is necessarily corrupt must necessarily be "evil", for so it is written. You've just contradicted yourself right here. You just said, "If one is already worshiping God, why would he/she need someone to bring them to God?" But then you said, "We ALL need to be saved". Saved from, what? You just said that if someone already worships God there would be no need to bring them to God. Well, spiritual people already worship God. So there would be no need to bring them to God. And no need to "save" them. No contradiction at all my friend lol. I see why you feel there are contradictions in the bible. Being "Saved" and specifically "worshiping God" are not the same exact thing. Being "saved" is a term referring to being saved from death. The only reward for sin is death. To be forgiven for sins they used to sacrifice things to show their sincerity in their apology. Well that was in the old covenant. Sacrifice is no longer required to achieve forgiveness. Forgiveness now comes from Jesus. Jesus is the judge of us all, thus he is the one whom one needs to ask forgiveness from. |
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And how are they not prophecies? They are things to come, and or happen in a certain amount of time. Some of those may not be "prophecies" from today forward, no. Some of those may have already happened, thus they are no longer "prophecies". But for the ones that have not happened, they are still prophecies and will happen. Cowboy all you did was upload a list from a website and proclaim them to be prophecies without any futher explanation as to how they are..... I don't quite understand your statement. A prophecy is a foretold thing to happen. For instance, my prophecy is you'll have to use the rest room later today. So I don't understand your statement on "explanation as to how they are". They were events foretold to happen in the times of the old testament, then they happened later on. Sorry, kinda figured you understood what a prophecy was. Cowboy that I or you or anyone has to go to the restroom to take a dump is not a prophecy...it's biology .. humans are constructed to eat then have to go to the rest room eventually...so it's not prophecy...it falls more into the realm of common sense this is why if someone told Jesus that he was a son or that he had a Father doesn't require any prophezing because sons generally have Fathers and to be a Father you need a son just because you utter words do not make it a prophecy or that you foretold something.....those are called "Thoughts"... you perhaps need to re-evaluate what a prophecy is A prophecy is a foretold future event. Was merely an example of what a prophecy was. Was a stupid prophecy, yes. But nevertheless it was just an example to show what a prophecy was. It was a Stupid Prophecy ,Huh |
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And how are they not prophecies? They are things to come, and or happen in a certain amount of time. Some of those may not be "prophecies" from today forward, no. Some of those may have already happened, thus they are no longer "prophecies". But for the ones that have not happened, they are still prophecies and will happen. Cowboy all you did was upload a list from a website and proclaim them to be prophecies without any futher explanation as to how they are..... I don't quite understand your statement. A prophecy is a foretold thing to happen. For instance, my prophecy is you'll have to use the rest room later today. So I don't understand your statement on "explanation as to how they are". They were events foretold to happen in the times of the old testament, then they happened later on. Sorry, kinda figured you understood what a prophecy was. Cowboy that I or you or anyone has to go to the restroom to take a dump is not a prophecy...it's biology .. humans are constructed to eat then have to go to the rest room eventually...so it's not prophecy...it falls more into the realm of common sense this is why if someone told Jesus that he was a son or that he had a Father doesn't require any prophezing because sons generally have Fathers and to be a Father you need a son just because you utter words do not make it a prophecy or that you foretold something.....those are called "Thoughts"... you perhaps need to re-evaluate what a prophecy is A prophecy is a foretold future event. Was merely an example of what a prophecy was. Was a stupid prophecy, yes. But nevertheless it was just an example to show what a prophecy was. It was a Stupid Prophecy ,Huh Yes the prophecy I foretold was a stupid prophecy. Was again, merely an example of what a prophecy is. |
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What we have Hear a Failure to Communicate.
Therefor it is the Judgement of This Milesoftheusa Kid.. That when refering to the scriptures for scriptual proof. You consult the said afore mentioned line of discription. We Got That. You study and when you come to the conclusion you are an Idiot, the Scum of the World and lower than anybody could possibly be. Then you will be ready to learn with a learning Heart. Confermations of Minds. The Gesto of Repedia to concerned with what to do than who will listen. Just an open opinion of Why you should "Study to shew yourself approved" A GladTidings Bearer. Blessings My Friend..Miles |
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I have gone back and read all of Cowboy's post.
All I see is a very christ like person.... full of kindness and patience..... with No condemnation towards anyone. Let's always be kind here .:) Also. Love You All. So does God. You All remain in my Prayers....and are not Forgotten. ((((Love and Hugs for ALL...from the Heart))))) |
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I have gone back and read all of Cowboy's post. All I see is a very christ like person.... full of kindness and patience..... with No condemnation towards anyone. Let's always be kind here .:) Also. Love You All. So does God. You All remain in my Prayers....and are not Forgotten. ((((Love and Hugs for ALL...from the Heart))))) Well, you must have read his posts with blind bias then, because all he ever does is suggest interpretations of scriptures that imply that anyone who doesn't agree with his views will be condemned by Jesus "The Christ". So he is indeed "condemning" people in Jesus' name, based on his interpretations of scriptures. He continually suggests that Jesus is the "Judge" and he continually spews his rhetoric of how he believes that Jesus is going to be "judging" people. All Cowboy is doing is "Playing Jesus". That's all he amounts to. A Paper Pope who condemns everyone in Jesus' name, who refuses to agree with this demented and pessimistic views of Jesus. Who gave Cowboy the authority to judge and condemn people in Jesus' name? 
In fact, who gave any Protestant preacher, evangelist, or self-appointed Paper Pope the right to interpret scriptures for anyone other than themselves? Papal authority was the very things that the Protestants protested against. And now they are the worst offenders when it comes to trying to shove their interpretations of scriptures onto other people. Protestantism is a religious movement that totally lost it's way and has now become its very own nemesis. Paper Popes today are like the Pharisees in Jesus' day. Jesus pronounce those Pharisees to be hypocrites, I imagine he would feel the very same way about the Paper Popes who preach religious bigotry in his name today. They too are hypocrites. They are also liars. The speak of things like "Unconditional Love", from one side of their face, and then from the other side of their face they demand a myriad of conditions that must be met in order to quality for God's love. This kind of two-faced hypocrisy is clearly not divine, and can therefore not have come from a "Good Tree" according to the very doctrine upon which it is based. If people want to preach LOVE in the name of God, then why don't they do that? What's Cowboy preaching? Love? No way! All he preaches is condemnation in Jesus' name to anyone who refuses to agree with HIS views of scriptures.
That's not "LOVE", that's just the epitome of religious bigotry and judgment in the name of Jesus as "The Christ Almighty". That's all it amounts to. There's no "LOVE" in it at all. All Cowboy is basically saying is, "Either cower down to my religious views, or be damned in Jesus' name!" That's "Cowboyainity". Period amen. In fact, it's this very type or religious bigotry that makes Christianity so despicable. He's never going to win anyone over to the religion spewing that attitude, unless he does so by doing nothing more than instilling FEAR in a person that if they refuse to cower down to Cowboy's views Jesus will HATE them and condemn them to either everlasting punishment or spiritual death! There would be no reason to worship Cowboy's God other than out of pure FEAR of what might happen to them should they refuse to cower down to him. That's Cowboy's God in a nutshell. |
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And how are they not prophecies? They are things to come, and or happen in a certain amount of time. Some of those may not be "prophecies" from today forward, no. Some of those may have already happened, thus they are no longer "prophecies". But for the ones that have not happened, they are still prophecies and will happen. Cowboy all you did was upload a list from a website and proclaim them to be prophecies without any futher explanation as to how they are..... I don't quite understand your statement. A prophecy is a foretold thing to happen. For instance, my prophecy is you'll have to use the rest room later today. So I don't understand your statement on "explanation as to how they are". They were events foretold to happen in the times of the old testament, then they happened later on. Sorry, kinda figured you understood what a prophecy was. Cowboy that I or you or anyone has to go to the restroom to take a dump is not a prophecy...it's biology .. humans are constructed to eat then have to go to the rest room eventually...so it's not prophecy...it falls more into the realm of common sense this is why if someone told Jesus that he was a son or that he had a Father doesn't require any prophezing because sons generally have Fathers and to be a Father you need a son just because you utter words do not make it a prophecy or that you foretold something.....those are called "Thoughts"... you perhaps need to re-evaluate what a prophecy is A prophecy is a foretold future event. Was merely an example of what a prophecy was. Was a stupid prophecy, yes. But nevertheless it was just an example to show what a prophecy was. Cowboy a prophecy is information personally handed down by God to an individual-s that tells of a future event that cancels out Free Will so did you have some form of divine communications from God or even from Satan when you told me that I would have to go to the rest room ...if not...then it's not a prophecy and it's not an example of a prophecy |
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Luke 1:32 (NIV) He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
How is this a prophecy? How can this statement be referring to Jesus? When did Jesus ever take the throne? If Jesus is the son of David, then is David "the most high?" I thought the claim was that Jesus was the son of God, not the son of David. How do you know who they are referring to when they say "the most high?" Why do you make so many assumptions? He has to make assumptions because there is no actual "prophecy", it simply doesn't even exist. And you're right. Jesus never become king, and was never given any throne. So no prophecy has been fulfilled. The Jews recognized that right off the bat! They weren't fooled by these rumors for a second. Jesus was never the KING of the Jews. Not even remotely close to that. On the contrary Jesus never held any position of Earthly authority in any capacity. Period. Case closed. No prophecy has been fulfilled. It's as simple as that. |
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Jesus was never the KING of the Jews. Not even remotely close to that. On the contrary Jesus never held any position of Earthly authority in any capacity. he held the authority to make you phishers of Men ..oops ...er.. I meant Fishers of Men |
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And how are they not prophecies? They are things to come, and or happen in a certain amount of time. Some of those may not be "prophecies" from today forward, no. Some of those may have already happened, thus they are no longer "prophecies". But for the ones that have not happened, they are still prophecies and will happen. Cowboy all you did was upload a list from a website and proclaim them to be prophecies without any futher explanation as to how they are..... I don't quite understand your statement. A prophecy is a foretold thing to happen. For instance, my prophecy is you'll have to use the rest room later today. So I don't understand your statement on "explanation as to how they are". They were events foretold to happen in the times of the old testament, then they happened later on. Sorry, kinda figured you understood what a prophecy was. Cowboy that I or you or anyone has to go to the restroom to take a dump is not a prophecy...it's biology .. humans are constructed to eat then have to go to the rest room eventually...so it's not prophecy...it falls more into the realm of common sense this is why if someone told Jesus that he was a son or that he had a Father doesn't require any prophezing because sons generally have Fathers and to be a Father you need a son just because you utter words do not make it a prophecy or that you foretold something.....those are called "Thoughts"... you perhaps need to re-evaluate what a prophecy is A prophecy is a foretold future event. Was merely an example of what a prophecy was. Was a stupid prophecy, yes. But nevertheless it was just an example to show what a prophecy was. Cowboy a prophecy is information personally handed down by God to an individual-s that tells of a future event that cancels out Free Will so did you have some form of divine communications from God or even from Satan when you told me that I would have to go to the rest room ...if not...then it's not a prophecy and it's not an example of a prophecy A prophecy generally is from a higher being, yes. But does not HAVE to be. A prophecy is merely a foreseen thing that is yet to come. |
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I have gone back and read all of Cowboy's post. All I see is a very christ like person.... full of kindness and patience..... with No condemnation towards anyone. Let's always be kind here .:) Also. Love You All. So does God. You All remain in my Prayers....and are not Forgotten. ((((Love and Hugs for ALL...from the Heart))))) Well, you must have read his posts with blind bias then, because all he ever does is suggest interpretations of scriptures that imply that anyone who doesn't agree with his views will be condemned by Jesus "The Christ". So he is indeed "condemning" people in Jesus' name, based on his interpretations of scriptures. He continually suggests that Jesus is the "Judge" and he continually spews his rhetoric of how he believes that Jesus is going to be "judging" people. All Cowboy is doing is "Playing Jesus". That's all he amounts to. A Paper Pope who condemns everyone in Jesus' name, who refuses to agree with this demented and pessimistic views of Jesus. Who gave Cowboy the authority to judge and condemn people in Jesus' name?
In fact, who gave any Protestant preacher, evangelist, or self-appointed Paper Pope the right to interpret scriptures for anyone other than themselves? Papal authority was the very things that the Protestants protested against. And now they are the worst offenders when it comes to trying to shove their interpretations of scriptures onto other people. Protestantism is a religious movement that totally lost it's way and has now become its very own nemesis. Paper Popes today are like the Pharisees in Jesus' day. Jesus pronounce those Pharisees to be hypocrites, I imagine he would feel the very same way about the Paper Popes who preach religious bigotry in his name today. They too are hypocrites. They are also liars. The speak of things like "Unconditional Love", from one side of their face, and then from the other side of their face they demand a myriad of conditions that must be met in order to quality for God's love. This kind of two-faced hypocrisy is clearly not divine, and can therefore not have come from a "Good Tree" according to the very doctrine upon which it is based. If people want to preach LOVE in the name of God, then why don't they do that? What's Cowboy preaching? Love? No way! All he preaches is condemnation in Jesus' name to anyone who refuses to agree with HIS views of scriptures.
That's not "LOVE", that's just the epitome of religious bigotry and judgment in the name of Jesus as "The Christ Almighty". That's all it amounts to. There's no "LOVE" in it at all. All Cowboy is basically saying is, "Either cower down to my religious views, or be damned in Jesus' name!" That's "Cowboyainity". Period amen. In fact, it's this very type or religious bigotry that makes Christianity so despicable. He's never going to win anyone over to the religion spewing that attitude, unless he does so by doing nothing more than instilling FEAR in a person that if they refuse to cower down to Cowboy's views Jesus will HATE them and condemn them to either everlasting punishment or spiritual death! There would be no reason to worship Cowboy's God other than out of pure FEAR of what might happen to them should they refuse to cower down to him. That's Cowboy's God in a nutshell. Well, you must have read his posts with blind bias then, because all he ever does is suggest interpretations of scriptures that imply that anyone who doesn't agree with his views will be condemned by Jesus "The Christ". I have done no such thing. No one ever wishes to sit down and see how each came to their conclusion on the scriptures being mentioned at the time. I have NEVER, not even once claimed to know it all. I have said many of times, that's what life is for. It's a learning process. NONE of us know it ALL. Not even if one has read the scriptures 100's of times. That is why we are told to congregate with others. That is what church is for. It is a place we can sit down with people and LEARN the meaning of scriptures rather then just the words that are therein. So he is indeed "condemning" people in Jesus' name, based on his interpretations of scriptures. I have condemned not one person. Show me just ONE time I've stated someone was not going to heaven for their beliefs and or actions. Give me just ONE example of me "condemning" anyone. He continually suggests that Jesus is the "Judge" and he continually spews his rhetoric of how he believes that Jesus is going to be "judging" people. I don't "suggest". I claim it for the truth it is. All Cowboy is doing is "Playing Jesus". That's all he amounts to. A Paper Pope who condemns everyone in Jesus' name, who refuses to agree with this demented and pessimistic views of Jesus. Again, I've not done any of that. I'm especially not "playing Jesus". Again after again, but I'll say it once more. I'm here to LEARN. I'm not here to spew out what I think to be true. I'm here to learn the scriptures more in depth. They are also liars. The speak of things like "Unconditional Love", from one side of their face, and then from the other side of their face they demand a myriad of conditions that must be met in order to quality for God's love. No one has EVER said that in here that I'm aware of. God's love is unconditional. There are no "conditions" to be met before God loves you. Heaven is a GIFT that is earned through our faith. Just because someone may not make it to heaven, that doesn't mean God doesn't love them. Just means they did not earn the gift. All Cowboy is basically saying is, "Either cower down to my religious views, or be damned in Jesus' name!" Why do you wish to make yourself appear as a fool? I've stated over and over and over and over and over, if someone has a different interpretation of specific verse(s) in mention at the time, then we could discuss our different interpretations. I may learn something, I may teach something. Again, I don't know it all. |
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Luke 1:32 (NIV) He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
How is this a prophecy? How can this statement be referring to Jesus? When did Jesus ever take the throne? If Jesus is the son of David, then is David "the most high?" I thought the claim was that Jesus was the son of God, not the son of David. How do you know who they are referring to when they say "the most high?" Why do you make so many assumptions? He has to make assumptions because there is no actual "prophecy", it simply doesn't even exist. And you're right. Jesus never become king, and was never given any throne. So no prophecy has been fulfilled. The Jews recognized that right off the bat! They weren't fooled by these rumors for a second. Jesus was never the KING of the Jews. Not even remotely close to that. On the contrary Jesus never held any position of Earthly authority in any capacity. Period. Case closed. No prophecy has been fulfilled. It's as simple as that. Oh but Jesus is king. Jesus does sit at a throne. Jesus sits at the right hand of our father's throne as of now. And when Heaven is brought to Earth, Jesus will have his own thrown to sit at. |
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